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So, I was recently asked by a fellow WA'er whether setting up a subdomain on her site would help with ranking a particular page that was getting a lot of Google love.

Thi

The way I'm reading that article is that he's talking about a subdomain on someone else's domain instead of having your own domain name. When you set up a subdomain on your own dot com you can list it as health.yourdomain.com OR yourdomain.com/health it will still land at the same place.

Hi Marion,

As far as I can tell, they're talking about their own websites A few quotes which make me think this:

'Of all the topics in the land of SEO, one of the most frequently debated is the whole question of "should I put my content in sub-directories or use a sub-domain?"'


'More recently, my friend (and co-creator of inbound.org) Rand Fishkin dug back into this topic in a recent whiteboard Friday. I'll summarize his position: Use sub-directories if you can. They're better for SEO. Even though Google has stated it doesn't matter -- for now, it does seem to.'

'The reason many companies (especially startups) go with the sub-domain is because it's often the easiest way to get started. This is particularly true if you're using a third-party hosted system for your blog (like WordPress.com, Squarespace, HubSpot, etc.) You can just have the new blogging tool hosted on blog.yourcompany.com and be off to the races. To get sub-directories going, you often have to have y our CMS and the blog on the same software (or do some fiddling with reverse proxies and such).'

You mentioned that you can list a subdomain as a sub-directory. How do you do that?

Thanks,
Sean

OOooops! It used to work like that for HTML websites but WordPress is different. test.adelaidebusinesses.com is a subdomain but adelaidebusinesses.com/test does not exist. My bad.

It looks like you can't have a subdirectory in WordPress just domains and subdomains.

Perhaps you can do a bit more research at wordpress.org.

No prob Marion :) Yup, this seems to be a complex little issue. I don't know if it's worth the time and effort to research it, but for some reason it's got my attention.

I'll let you know what I find out ...

All the best,
Sean

Yeah you can have a subdomain or subdirectory in Wordpress.

I think everyone gets the idea of what a subdomain is.

A subdirectory is just a folder under your main website that contains files (pages). In Wordpress this would just be a category so if you add categories to your website then you're already adding subdirectories to your website without knowing it. Wordpress doesn't make you try.

Here's an example of a subdirectory on my website.
http://www.amvsmlm.com/category/affiliate-marketing

You just add a category and it creates that subdirectory for you. All the posts that go under this category gets added to that subdirectory.

So, I'm curious - let's say that you find something worth writing about that you think has potential, and is indirectly related to your main niche - would you just create another category for that, or a subdomain?

You could create a category or there's another way.

/blog is a sub-directory too. Under blog is a list of all your posts.

So you could create a page called say /offtopic and then have pages under this.

I just created one on my blog to illustrate this.
http://www.amvsmlm.com/offtopic

And files in that sub-directory
http://www.amvsmlm.com/offtopic/offtopic-page-1

I don't know if you have this (you should) or if it's specific to my theme but in the sidebar of the page editor there's a section called "page attributes". You can create a page and then choose if there's a parent page. This is how I got the page inside the /Offtopic folder - by first creating the Offtopic sub-directory then naming it as the parent page when I created 'offtopic page 1'.

That's great man, honestly :). I forget that you don't have to list your pages in your menu.

To create even more Google juice for the off topic page / sub-directory, you could list all the subsequent off topic pages on that page with links embedded.

I've tried this with a blog series before and it works like a charm (http://lovetheliberty.com/how-can-you-make-money-from-amazon-a-7-step-series). This page has an authority of 18 while all the others in the series have an authority of just 1.

Works on the principle of internal links adding to page authority, I guess?

Or would the child pages automatically receive link power simply by being child pages of the parent page? I don't know ...

E.g.

This Is The Off-Topic Parent Page

This is writing about the off-topic parent page.

This is a link to off-topic child page 1 (with hyperlink)
This is a link to off-topic child page 2 (with hyperlink)
This is a link to off-topic child page 3 (with hyperlink)

etc.

Really appreciate your taking the time to chime in here - it's helped me, and probably others, immensely.

All the best,
Sean

That's an excellent question, Sean, and I hope somebody smarter than me responds, because I'd like to know the answer as well.

I want to become an authority site owner in the future, and it would be really awesome to have sub-domains for the different categories I delve into on my site (Different aspects of gaming). It would only serve to increase my credibility and allow me to separate my site a bit more (in case people are coming for different purposes).

Let me know if you end up finding this out on your own (if someone responds here, I'll see it).

Good luck to you, sir!

Thanks - I hope to get to the bottom of this soon.

All the best,
Sean

The point of the article I think is to show that subdirectories build more authority than sub-domains. Categories on a Wordpress are subdirectories.

Ok, I was wondering about categories, Jay. So, you think just selecting the correct category for your blogs is the same thing as putting them in a sub-directory, or is it worth finding out how to do the whole sub-directories thing?

Or are you saying that there is no such thing as sub-directories for Wordpress blogs?

Thanks for taking the time,
Sean

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Anyone know how to set up a sub-directory not subdomain?

Anyone know how to set up a sub-directory not subdomain?

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So, I was recently asked by a fellow WA'er whether setting up a subdomain on her site would help with ranking a particular page that was getting a lot of Google love.

Thi

The way I'm reading that article is that he's talking about a subdomain on someone else's domain instead of having your own domain name. When you set up a subdomain on your own dot com you can list it as health.yourdomain.com OR yourdomain.com/health it will still land at the same place.

Hi Marion,

As far as I can tell, they're talking about their own websites A few quotes which make me think this:

'Of all the topics in the land of SEO, one of the most frequently debated is the whole question of "should I put my content in sub-directories or use a sub-domain?"'


'More recently, my friend (and co-creator of inbound.org) Rand Fishkin dug back into this topic in a recent whiteboard Friday. I'll summarize his position: Use sub-directories if you can. They're better for SEO. Even though Google has stated it doesn't matter -- for now, it does seem to.'

'The reason many companies (especially startups) go with the sub-domain is because it's often the easiest way to get started. This is particularly true if you're using a third-party hosted system for your blog (like WordPress.com, Squarespace, HubSpot, etc.) You can just have the new blogging tool hosted on blog.yourcompany.com and be off to the races. To get sub-directories going, you often have to have y our CMS and the blog on the same software (or do some fiddling with reverse proxies and such).'

You mentioned that you can list a subdomain as a sub-directory. How do you do that?

Thanks,
Sean

OOooops! It used to work like that for HTML websites but WordPress is different. test.adelaidebusinesses.com is a subdomain but adelaidebusinesses.com/test does not exist. My bad.

It looks like you can't have a subdirectory in WordPress just domains and subdomains.

Perhaps you can do a bit more research at wordpress.org.

No prob Marion :) Yup, this seems to be a complex little issue. I don't know if it's worth the time and effort to research it, but for some reason it's got my attention.

I'll let you know what I find out ...

All the best,
Sean

Yeah you can have a subdomain or subdirectory in Wordpress.

I think everyone gets the idea of what a subdomain is.

A subdirectory is just a folder under your main website that contains files (pages). In Wordpress this would just be a category so if you add categories to your website then you're already adding subdirectories to your website without knowing it. Wordpress doesn't make you try.

Here's an example of a subdirectory on my website.
http://www.amvsmlm.com/category/affiliate-marketing

You just add a category and it creates that subdirectory for you. All the posts that go under this category gets added to that subdirectory.

So, I'm curious - let's say that you find something worth writing about that you think has potential, and is indirectly related to your main niche - would you just create another category for that, or a subdomain?

You could create a category or there's another way.

/blog is a sub-directory too. Under blog is a list of all your posts.

So you could create a page called say /offtopic and then have pages under this.

I just created one on my blog to illustrate this.
http://www.amvsmlm.com/offtopic

And files in that sub-directory
http://www.amvsmlm.com/offtopic/offtopic-page-1

I don't know if you have this (you should) or if it's specific to my theme but in the sidebar of the page editor there's a section called "page attributes". You can create a page and then choose if there's a parent page. This is how I got the page inside the /Offtopic folder - by first creating the Offtopic sub-directory then naming it as the parent page when I created 'offtopic page 1'.

That's great man, honestly :). I forget that you don't have to list your pages in your menu.

To create even more Google juice for the off topic page / sub-directory, you could list all the subsequent off topic pages on that page with links embedded.

I've tried this with a blog series before and it works like a charm (http://lovetheliberty.com/how-can-you-make-money-from-amazon-a-7-step-series). This page has an authority of 18 while all the others in the series have an authority of just 1.

Works on the principle of internal links adding to page authority, I guess?

Or would the child pages automatically receive link power simply by being child pages of the parent page? I don't know ...

E.g.

This Is The Off-Topic Parent Page

This is writing about the off-topic parent page.

This is a link to off-topic child page 1 (with hyperlink)
This is a link to off-topic child page 2 (with hyperlink)
This is a link to off-topic child page 3 (with hyperlink)

etc.

Really appreciate your taking the time to chime in here - it's helped me, and probably others, immensely.

All the best,
Sean

That's an excellent question, Sean, and I hope somebody smarter than me responds, because I'd like to know the answer as well.

I want to become an authority site owner in the future, and it would be really awesome to have sub-domains for the different categories I delve into on my site (Different aspects of gaming). It would only serve to increase my credibility and allow me to separate my site a bit more (in case people are coming for different purposes).

Let me know if you end up finding this out on your own (if someone responds here, I'll see it).

Good luck to you, sir!

Thanks - I hope to get to the bottom of this soon.

All the best,
Sean

The point of the article I think is to show that subdirectories build more authority than sub-domains. Categories on a Wordpress are subdirectories.

Ok, I was wondering about categories, Jay. So, you think just selecting the correct category for your blogs is the same thing as putting them in a sub-directory, or is it worth finding out how to do the whole sub-directories thing?

Or are you saying that there is no such thing as sub-directories for Wordpress blogs?

Thanks for taking the time,
Sean

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Hey Folks,

I was wondering if there are any of you out there who have released their own books on Kindle?

The reason I ask is that I've almost completed a book that

I'd rather have 70% of something than 100% of nothing. You'll probably sell more kindle books through Amazon than trying to market it yourself. However if you are thinking of using the eBook to build your list then by all means make it a PDF.

Good advice Marion - it wasn't to build my list, I've still got to get going on that :). Rather, I hope to release a series of books.

I'll check out that tutorial that you posted.

Thanks,
Sean

I'm thinking about having an ebook published too, so I'm interested in hearing what others have to say.
Ed

Cool Ed, stay tuned - hopefully some experienced writers will weigh in.

Sean

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Kindle book vs. info product?

Kindle book vs. info product?

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Hey Folks,

I was wondering if there are any of you out there who have released their own books on Kindle?

The reason I ask is that I've almost completed a book that

I'd rather have 70% of something than 100% of nothing. You'll probably sell more kindle books through Amazon than trying to market it yourself. However if you are thinking of using the eBook to build your list then by all means make it a PDF.

Good advice Marion - it wasn't to build my list, I've still got to get going on that :). Rather, I hope to release a series of books.

I'll check out that tutorial that you posted.

Thanks,
Sean

I'm thinking about having an ebook published too, so I'm interested in hearing what others have to say.
Ed

Cool Ed, stay tuned - hopefully some experienced writers will weigh in.

Sean

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I have no idea what to make of it ... just seeing pre-order ads all over the show: https://thegrid.io

Just another fad, or

I'm with the others on this.
... time will tell

Hey Joanne - yes, it always does :) They really have hyped it up a lot, so I hope for their sakes that it lives up to expectations ...

If it looks like it is too good to be true, it probably isn't true. Be careful if you decide to buy into it.

Hey Larry, I'm definitely not looking to buy into it (got too many things on my plate, adding another one wouldn't be wise ...).

Just an interesting concept ..

All the best,
Sean

Hello Sean, yes this ad is showing everywhere, but here is some answer from their q&a page.

"How do I manage SEO on The Grid?

For our general release, our layout filters automatically handle SEO optimizations using your content (e.g. auto created site description, page descriptions, page title in url, etc)"

So, maybe it will be future in web design, maybe not, we will see.

I hope you're doing well,

Dean

Hey Dean,

Yup we'll have to wait and see what it brings - thanks for responding!

Take care,
Sean

Yes, but automatic SEO, automatic site etc. It looks more like Kyle's 1-st April blog

Sure, and I'm in no way defending it, but I just posted it out of interest cos, to be quite honest, I don't understand it ... I was hoping to get a bit of insight as to how this all works :)

I don't think they're trying to say that the website does everything for you, but more that they're playing off the whole artificial intelligence thing, where your site is almost ... alive.

If you haven't seen the movie 'Her', that would give you some idea of where they're coming from, I think.

I know Sean that you are not defending it,
but I am glad that someone has opened discussion about it,
so we can share our thoughts.

Have a great Sunday Sean,
hope to hear from you soon,
Dean

Thanks Dean - hope you're having an awesome Sunday too.

See you around the hood,
Sean

hmmmm, sounds too good to be true. In my experience, setting up sites take work and detail. I'm not sure automation like this would hit all the points needed. Interesting though...

Hi Dwanna,

I think you're right, the 'sounds too good to be true' adage is generally a good principle to follow.

However, the way technology is progressing, something like this really wouldn't surprise me too much.

Having said that, I agree 100 % that any venture is going to take hard work and dedication.

Take care,
Sean

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What do website aficionados think about this?

What do website aficionados think about this?

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I have no idea what to make of it ... just seeing pre-order ads all over the show: https://thegrid.io

Just another fad, or

I'm with the others on this.
... time will tell

Hey Joanne - yes, it always does :) They really have hyped it up a lot, so I hope for their sakes that it lives up to expectations ...

If it looks like it is too good to be true, it probably isn't true. Be careful if you decide to buy into it.

Hey Larry, I'm definitely not looking to buy into it (got too many things on my plate, adding another one wouldn't be wise ...).

Just an interesting concept ..

All the best,
Sean

Hello Sean, yes this ad is showing everywhere, but here is some answer from their q&a page.

"How do I manage SEO on The Grid?

For our general release, our layout filters automatically handle SEO optimizations using your content (e.g. auto created site description, page descriptions, page title in url, etc)"

So, maybe it will be future in web design, maybe not, we will see.

I hope you're doing well,

Dean

Hey Dean,

Yup we'll have to wait and see what it brings - thanks for responding!

Take care,
Sean

Yes, but automatic SEO, automatic site etc. It looks more like Kyle's 1-st April blog

Sure, and I'm in no way defending it, but I just posted it out of interest cos, to be quite honest, I don't understand it ... I was hoping to get a bit of insight as to how this all works :)

I don't think they're trying to say that the website does everything for you, but more that they're playing off the whole artificial intelligence thing, where your site is almost ... alive.

If you haven't seen the movie 'Her', that would give you some idea of where they're coming from, I think.

I know Sean that you are not defending it,
but I am glad that someone has opened discussion about it,
so we can share our thoughts.

Have a great Sunday Sean,
hope to hear from you soon,
Dean

Thanks Dean - hope you're having an awesome Sunday too.

See you around the hood,
Sean

hmmmm, sounds too good to be true. In my experience, setting up sites take work and detail. I'm not sure automation like this would hit all the points needed. Interesting though...

Hi Dwanna,

I think you're right, the 'sounds too good to be true' adage is generally a good principle to follow.

However, the way technology is progressing, something like this really wouldn't surprise me too much.

Having said that, I agree 100 % that any venture is going to take hard work and dedication.

Take care,
Sean

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Hi Everyone,

I recently tried my hand at making a video with Monosnap (free screen capture software). It works great, records perfectly and the quality after recording loo

I use screencast o matic and pay $15 per year to use it and it is pretty easy to use.

Hi Tommy - so are you saying that the quality is bad because it's Monosnap?

I don't mind paying for screencast, if that'll fix the issue, but as I said, the quality looks fine until I get it onto YouTube.

I have never used it maybe someone else will chime in and give an answer.

Cool, thanks Tommy.

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How do I make sure my videos are the best possible quality?

How do I make sure my videos are the best possible quality?

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Hi Everyone,

I recently tried my hand at making a video with Monosnap (free screen capture software). It works great, records perfectly and the quality after recording loo

I use screencast o matic and pay $15 per year to use it and it is pretty easy to use.

Hi Tommy - so are you saying that the quality is bad because it's Monosnap?

I don't mind paying for screencast, if that'll fix the issue, but as I said, the quality looks fine until I get it onto YouTube.

I have never used it maybe someone else will chime in and give an answer.

Cool, thanks Tommy.

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Hey Folks,

I've just been doing a bit of research on various sorts of scams and it appears that the word, 'scam' is fairly loosely defined.

I want to educate people

Scam = Intent to defraud. I will warn people about bad products but I avoid the word scam because I don't truly know the intentions of the product creators.

MLM's are business models that look good on paper but they are very hard to build. There is a difference between an MLM and a pyramid scheme and few people really understand the distinction so the words MLM and pyramid have become erroneously interchangeable.

I usually look at the methods that are taught and break them down in a realistic way. If people are teaching outdated or just plain bad methods, I call them out on it. It's easy enough to do that without adding cliche's to my articles.

Hey Steve - 'intent to defraud', I like that.

I am one of those people who had, up until now, held the erroneous view that MLM's and pyramid schemes are one and the same (and probably would have blogged about it too, if it wasn't for your comment here).

Care to educate me?

I'll send you a PM to explain what I think makes the 2 distinguishable.

The difference in a MLM and a pyramid scheme is a ''product''.

The last man in a MLM has his ''buy-in kit'' as a product that's equal in value to his buy-in cost.

There is no product other than dollars in a pyramid scheme the last man has nothing: zero!

Short and to the point! I like that.

Thanks Grover - again, I would have missed this difference entirely.

Thanks again Steve, much appreciated!

Hi

I know what you mean when you refer to the use of the word scam and how it is being used.

To me a scam is when the "Seller" is offering an opportunity/Training for sale to achieve something that is not possible with the means being advertised. I.e. Earn $100,000 within the 1st year with the click of a button. When they just forget to mention that you need to employ/outsource 200 others to also click 1 different button during the course of the same year.

Many people use the word scam for opportunities they have signed up to and not been successful with. That is not necessarily a scam.

I currently do not promote WA but I absolutely loath the way the majority of people promote WA. To me it is just cheap and dirty negative advertising down to the level of gutter politics.

Lets find a number of "Scam", opportunities destroy them in a review and then push WA as being the whitest of the white and the answer to every ones prayers. Sounds just like a politician to me !

I like to think that I have a little more integrity than that. There are actually quiet a number of good training programs out there, though rarely mentioned on a WA review site. I have been around the online business world for a number of years and many of these scams are new to me, I must use a different version of Google I guess.

Don't get me wrong WA is a very good opportunity and training program however how about promoting WA and telling everyone why it is the best program, what it offers that others don't etc.

Free hosting
Free introductory training
Value at $47
The sort of training offered
Great community support
etc. etc.

I actually do like WA and will probably promote it in future but not with liberal use of the word scam frequently used for emotive purpose only and often out of context.

I will not lower myself to that level


Dave

Well said Dave, honestly - pretty much what I was thinking.

I think my approach will need to be more along the lines of really researching the different types of opportunities out there (e.g. MLM's) and simply making folks very aware of what, exactly, they entail.

So for example, tell people, "MOBE is an MLM and here's what that means for you, and what you can more-than-likely expect, in case you didn't realise it."

Although internet marketers can usually spot an MLM a mile away, others can't, necessarily. Maybe they've never even heard of multi-level marketing before.

I like how WA pretty much sells itself - all you really have to do is show people what they're getting.

Hi Sean

Thank you for that, though I guess most won't like it.

I like to consider myself honest so won't serve BS to appease anyone. I am off out for a while but will drop you a pm later with an outline of what I would consider a more professional long term view on promoting WA.

To hear you have to be willing to listen ; )

All the best

Dave

Thank you Dave - I think people will understand that's it's not at all personal.

I will be very interested to hear your take!

A scammer is:

Selling
Customers
Air
Money

Ha ha - love it :)

I know exactly what you mean about not wanting to sign up to everything you want to review. My own solution to this has been to review the sales page of a particular product. So I pull it to pieces while looking for the common signs that can indicate that it might be a scam. Then I try to come up with a score which indicates how likely it is to be a scam.

A good example of a bad one I reviewed is Real Translator Jobs (I really tore their sales page to pieces in this review):
http://earnmoneywithmarcus.com/is-real-translator-jobs-a-scam-my-review

Here is an example of one that was in the middle (Blogging with John Chow):
http://earnmoneywithmarcus.com/is-blogging-with-john-chow-a-scam-my-review

And here's one that was good, but not as good as WA:
http://earnmoneywithmarcus.com/is-affilorama-a-scam-my-review

So in my reviews, I'm not claiming to have tried each of the products myself. All I'm doing is helping people assess for themselves whether it's worth risking signing up.

Because, in all honesty, many of the really bad scams are actually really easy to spot, once you know what to look for. Once you you've seen a bunch of them, and you realise that so many of them use the same kinds of tactics, you can't believe they manage to get away with it so often.

But to answer your original question: if you want the simplest black & white definition of a scam, I would say it's this:
- Anything that fails to live up to its promises.

But you could split it into two other categories:
- Total scams
- Things that have some value but don't quite live up to their promises

A total scam would be something that totally lies to you, takes your money, tries to get you to pay even more money, and leaves you no closer to success than before you paid your money. What you get is not what you thought you were buying. An example of this would be Millionaire Society.

The other sort is where they do provide you with some value, but you realise that their sales page exaggerated how much success you would have. Blogging with John Chow would be an example of this. And I can tell you that even though I haven't tried it, simply because his sales page says that you can get rich just from blogging for 2 hours per day. All I need is an intelligent brain to spot that it doesn't quite make sense.

All you need to do is help people make the right choice...

Great stuff, Marcus - thanks for this. Those reviews you posted are very good, very 'meaty' - probably more my style of writing too.

I like the way you guide your readers to make up their own mind, simply by pointing stuff out to them that they may have missed.

I hadn't realised that one of John Chow's products was a little 'sub-par' - I thought he was supposed to be a blogging king, or something?

Yeah, you were probably told that by various online "gurus".

For me, the question is not whether or not HE earns lots of money from just 2 hours per day, it's whether the techniques that he teaches will enable YOU to earn loads of money from working just 2 hours a day. See the difference? :)

Good point - yup, I see it :) I'm sure he didn't start out only working 2 hours a day (just a guess ...), he was probably really prolific in the early years.

Yep. Even with Wealthy Affiliate, you notice how Kyle and Carson are careful these days not to claim that you are going to suddenly get as rich as them? We all know that they earn a HUGE amount of money from Wealthy Affiliate. That's no secret. But they're not saying to us, "If you follow our course, you'll become as rich as we are". They're saying: we'll teach you how to build a profitable website, but beyond that it's down to you, and it will require hard work.

Simple to me. A scam is theft.

That'll work as a definition :)

Generally if I see a need to pay money upfront inordered to be able to earn money, it means scam.

I hear you Cathy and I agree, to a point. Just curious, how would you respond to someone who says something like, 'Hey, you have to spend money to make money.'

Many businesses have to outlay cash before they ever see a return, sometimes even years before.

IMO a scam must be more than spending cash before you see a return on your investment - after all, isn't that what most of us have done here (and I would never, ever call WA a scam)?

Any e-mail from a 'Nigerian' prince or bank manager. A good way to select the extremely gullible from the rest of us.

(All-Caps) "Good Sir, I am told that you are a man of reputable trustworthiness, and I have a proposition from the office of the Prince of Nigeria..."

Source: Urban Dictionary

LOL, I've received my fair share of those types of emails ...

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Hey Folks,

I've just been doing a bit of research on various sorts of scams and it appears that the word, 'scam' is fairly loosely defined.

I want to educate people

Scam = Intent to defraud. I will warn people about bad products but I avoid the word scam because I don't truly know the intentions of the product creators.

MLM's are business models that look good on paper but they are very hard to build. There is a difference between an MLM and a pyramid scheme and few people really understand the distinction so the words MLM and pyramid have become erroneously interchangeable.

I usually look at the methods that are taught and break them down in a realistic way. If people are teaching outdated or just plain bad methods, I call them out on it. It's easy enough to do that without adding cliche's to my articles.

Hey Steve - 'intent to defraud', I like that.

I am one of those people who had, up until now, held the erroneous view that MLM's and pyramid schemes are one and the same (and probably would have blogged about it too, if it wasn't for your comment here).

Care to educate me?

I'll send you a PM to explain what I think makes the 2 distinguishable.

The difference in a MLM and a pyramid scheme is a ''product''.

The last man in a MLM has his ''buy-in kit'' as a product that's equal in value to his buy-in cost.

There is no product other than dollars in a pyramid scheme the last man has nothing: zero!

Short and to the point! I like that.

Thanks Grover - again, I would have missed this difference entirely.

Thanks again Steve, much appreciated!

Hi

I know what you mean when you refer to the use of the word scam and how it is being used.

To me a scam is when the "Seller" is offering an opportunity/Training for sale to achieve something that is not possible with the means being advertised. I.e. Earn $100,000 within the 1st year with the click of a button. When they just forget to mention that you need to employ/outsource 200 others to also click 1 different button during the course of the same year.

Many people use the word scam for opportunities they have signed up to and not been successful with. That is not necessarily a scam.

I currently do not promote WA but I absolutely loath the way the majority of people promote WA. To me it is just cheap and dirty negative advertising down to the level of gutter politics.

Lets find a number of "Scam", opportunities destroy them in a review and then push WA as being the whitest of the white and the answer to every ones prayers. Sounds just like a politician to me !

I like to think that I have a little more integrity than that. There are actually quiet a number of good training programs out there, though rarely mentioned on a WA review site. I have been around the online business world for a number of years and many of these scams are new to me, I must use a different version of Google I guess.

Don't get me wrong WA is a very good opportunity and training program however how about promoting WA and telling everyone why it is the best program, what it offers that others don't etc.

Free hosting
Free introductory training
Value at $47
The sort of training offered
Great community support
etc. etc.

I actually do like WA and will probably promote it in future but not with liberal use of the word scam frequently used for emotive purpose only and often out of context.

I will not lower myself to that level


Dave

Well said Dave, honestly - pretty much what I was thinking.

I think my approach will need to be more along the lines of really researching the different types of opportunities out there (e.g. MLM's) and simply making folks very aware of what, exactly, they entail.

So for example, tell people, "MOBE is an MLM and here's what that means for you, and what you can more-than-likely expect, in case you didn't realise it."

Although internet marketers can usually spot an MLM a mile away, others can't, necessarily. Maybe they've never even heard of multi-level marketing before.

I like how WA pretty much sells itself - all you really have to do is show people what they're getting.

Hi Sean

Thank you for that, though I guess most won't like it.

I like to consider myself honest so won't serve BS to appease anyone. I am off out for a while but will drop you a pm later with an outline of what I would consider a more professional long term view on promoting WA.

To hear you have to be willing to listen ; )

All the best

Dave

Thank you Dave - I think people will understand that's it's not at all personal.

I will be very interested to hear your take!

A scammer is:

Selling
Customers
Air
Money

Ha ha - love it :)

I know exactly what you mean about not wanting to sign up to everything you want to review. My own solution to this has been to review the sales page of a particular product. So I pull it to pieces while looking for the common signs that can indicate that it might be a scam. Then I try to come up with a score which indicates how likely it is to be a scam.

A good example of a bad one I reviewed is Real Translator Jobs (I really tore their sales page to pieces in this review):
http://earnmoneywithmarcus.com/is-real-translator-jobs-a-scam-my-review

Here is an example of one that was in the middle (Blogging with John Chow):
http://earnmoneywithmarcus.com/is-blogging-with-john-chow-a-scam-my-review

And here's one that was good, but not as good as WA:
http://earnmoneywithmarcus.com/is-affilorama-a-scam-my-review

So in my reviews, I'm not claiming to have tried each of the products myself. All I'm doing is helping people assess for themselves whether it's worth risking signing up.

Because, in all honesty, many of the really bad scams are actually really easy to spot, once you know what to look for. Once you you've seen a bunch of them, and you realise that so many of them use the same kinds of tactics, you can't believe they manage to get away with it so often.

But to answer your original question: if you want the simplest black & white definition of a scam, I would say it's this:
- Anything that fails to live up to its promises.

But you could split it into two other categories:
- Total scams
- Things that have some value but don't quite live up to their promises

A total scam would be something that totally lies to you, takes your money, tries to get you to pay even more money, and leaves you no closer to success than before you paid your money. What you get is not what you thought you were buying. An example of this would be Millionaire Society.

The other sort is where they do provide you with some value, but you realise that their sales page exaggerated how much success you would have. Blogging with John Chow would be an example of this. And I can tell you that even though I haven't tried it, simply because his sales page says that you can get rich just from blogging for 2 hours per day. All I need is an intelligent brain to spot that it doesn't quite make sense.

All you need to do is help people make the right choice...

Great stuff, Marcus - thanks for this. Those reviews you posted are very good, very 'meaty' - probably more my style of writing too.

I like the way you guide your readers to make up their own mind, simply by pointing stuff out to them that they may have missed.

I hadn't realised that one of John Chow's products was a little 'sub-par' - I thought he was supposed to be a blogging king, or something?

Yeah, you were probably told that by various online "gurus".

For me, the question is not whether or not HE earns lots of money from just 2 hours per day, it's whether the techniques that he teaches will enable YOU to earn loads of money from working just 2 hours a day. See the difference? :)

Good point - yup, I see it :) I'm sure he didn't start out only working 2 hours a day (just a guess ...), he was probably really prolific in the early years.

Yep. Even with Wealthy Affiliate, you notice how Kyle and Carson are careful these days not to claim that you are going to suddenly get as rich as them? We all know that they earn a HUGE amount of money from Wealthy Affiliate. That's no secret. But they're not saying to us, "If you follow our course, you'll become as rich as we are". They're saying: we'll teach you how to build a profitable website, but beyond that it's down to you, and it will require hard work.

Simple to me. A scam is theft.

That'll work as a definition :)

Generally if I see a need to pay money upfront inordered to be able to earn money, it means scam.

I hear you Cathy and I agree, to a point. Just curious, how would you respond to someone who says something like, 'Hey, you have to spend money to make money.'

Many businesses have to outlay cash before they ever see a return, sometimes even years before.

IMO a scam must be more than spending cash before you see a return on your investment - after all, isn't that what most of us have done here (and I would never, ever call WA a scam)?

Any e-mail from a 'Nigerian' prince or bank manager. A good way to select the extremely gullible from the rest of us.

(All-Caps) "Good Sir, I am told that you are a man of reputable trustworthiness, and I have a proposition from the office of the Prince of Nigeria..."

Source: Urban Dictionary

LOL, I've received my fair share of those types of emails ...

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