Thin, Useless Blog Comments That Offer No Value? No Thank You!

Last Update: April 16, 2019

I've seen this topic brought up many times on Wealthy Affiliate and this is something that I am quite adamant about - disapproving comments that are not worthy of being on my website!

**UPDATE** - please read Kyle's blog Site Comments A Constant Focus On Improvement

We all spend a lot of time working on our websites and trying our best to make money online. One thing that we are encouraged to do is to comment on other WA'ers websites and to gain comments on our own websites.

This is the problem that comes in for me - when I leave comments I go and read the post thoroughly and then I think of something genuine and insightful to comment back. I do not leave just the bare minimum words to gain a credit either to make money from or to use to get comments on my websites in return.

I make a point of giving as much value as I possibly can.

When I then request comments on my new blog posts and all I receive back are thin comments that offer absolutely nothing of value to my website I reject them. This is not rocket science for me. It is about getting what I deserve in return for my hard work and efforts.

Anyone that has received a comment from me will know that I spend a lot of effort in giving that comment. I may not give a lot of comments because I spend my efforts making sure that what I do give is worthwhile and valuable. I would rather give one good comment in a week and make it brilliant than give 50 thin comments.

I would appreciate the same in return.

The last 2+ weeks the majority of my comments have gone something like this:

"Thanks for such an amazing and insightful post - I have learned so much about *Insert My Blog Title Here*. I am so happy to learn so much from your website. You have taken so much effort to share this valuable information about *Insert Topic Here*"

And in addition to this many of the people that left comments have made a half attempt at adding value by leaving a bit more but that bit more each time has clearly shown that the commenter has not even looked at my website?

I have seen many WA'ers saying the following:

1) Complaining that their comments have not been approved.

2) Posting that they are getting shoddy comments but feel too bad to reject the comments

3) Many WA'ers recommending that anyone unhappy with a comment should edit it and then publish it.

Here's my take. Reject all comments that are thin content and in the description tell the commenter exactly why the comment was rejected.

I refuse to spend more time in my day editing the comments of people that have not taken 2 minutes to read my post.

I refuse to spend money on WA comments that are not of any quality, never mind the quality I should be getting.

I refuse to spend time in my day leaving awesome comments on other websites and getting shoddy ones in return.

If you don't know how to leave a quality comment you can follow this training I published in January 2016:

Quality Commenting - The Do's and Don'ts

If I reject a comment through WA it is because if it came in naturally from organic search I would have deleted it there too...., so why should I work hard for it here or pay for it?

Here are some of the comments I have recently rejected and why:

"Thanks for sharing this article on 5 tips for small business owners to acquire home loan. Your time and effort to put this together is really appreciated. This article is really an informative article and it has the right steps for me to take in obtaining home loan. Start up capital has been an issue but knowing about this 5 tips then I can obtain the loan. Thanks for sharing this article"

The comment above was rejected for being thin content and for talking about something that has nothing to do with the article. The article was how small online business owners can get a home loan - it has nothing to do with start up capital for their business! My post was not read.

"Getting a business loan is a major hurdle facing small businesses, mainly due to tight lending standards by banks. But obtaining outside financing is often necessary to start or grow a business or cover day-to-day expenses, including payroll and inventory.Although finding, applying for and getting approved for small business loans can be difficult, the more prepared you are, the better."

The comment above is completely unrelated to my post which is about getting a HOME LOAN not getting a business loan. Once again the person commenting has not even read my post and run off on a tangent.

"This is a very interesting concept and you have explained how it works extremely well. These are lovely tips in order to get small loan. I have tried Tax and Financial Records before now and it worked for me perfectly. This is an eye opener for those that doesnt know how this thing works. This is a must for everyone to read. Thanks for sharing"

The comment above talks about getting a "small loan" - I'm not sure about you but a loan for a home would be a large loan in my eyes. And how do you "try tax and financial records".... I'm not sure how to respond to that other than click reject...

These are just a few examples from my latest blog post that I published yesterday.

In comparison here are the 3 latest comments that I have left for other members on their blog posts:

"Thank you for all these brilliant ideas. We don’t have our own garden since we rent and the owners have a water-wise garden that we are not allowed to touch. If I want to grow anything I have to grow it in pots. I love vines and vertical plants – I just never considered doing them in pots. The vertical planters are also a wonderful idea, thank you. It has a lovely look to it and the bonus is that it will make any wall that is looking the worse for wear beautiful and appealing.

I can’t wait until we own our own property – one of the things I am looking forward to the most is being free to do what I want with the garden!"

That comment above was on a blog post titled "Patio Vegetable Garden Containers - How To Build Big Gardens In Small Spaces" - as you can see my comment is not short or thin, it relates directly to the content and refers to specific parts of the post.

"I agree with you in a lot of ways that people have unrealistic expectations of social media marketing. I have had someone ask me to make their post go viral by sharing it on my quite popular Facebook page and she couldn’t understand when I told her I am sorry but I can’t make her product post go viral – it’s not what I do and anyone that makes a promise like that is not being honest with her.

I do agree with you that in most cases it can be very hard to build your following and to create engagement and traffic to your website and offers… but there are certain things that you can do to draw your customers to your business through social media other than just sharing product specials and competitions.

Writing and publishing blog posts on your website that are useful and captivating and then sharing those on social media is a great way to build your following, create authority and get some traffic to your website. I find that the hard sell is not always the way.

Thanks for getting real and honest in this post!"

The above comment I left on a blog post titled "Social Media Marketing for SEO" and as you can see it is also not a thin comment leaving no value for the reader.

I've responded directly to the post topic and given my own personal experience and feelings which will be useful for the website owner's readers.

"Building a list is absolutely essential and one of my biggest regrets is not building my email list right from the beginning! Email marketing is amazing since once you have someone in your list you can bring them back to your website and your offers over and over again. The fact is that an email goes straight to your reader’s inbox – they simply can’t miss it… and they have to do something with it even if it is to delete it and unsubscribe.

On social media and with online search it is so easy for your website to be missed when your potential reader just scrolls on by. Also if you are marketing on Facebook the life of a post is very short, these days very often your reader has to be online at the time you create your Facebook post otherwise it will slip by them… unless of course your posts goes viral but that’s another topic entirely."

And this last comment was left on a blog post titled "Create Your Own Newsletter" and as you can see I have added more value to the post giving my personal experience with newsletters.

Now if you compare my last 3 comments with the last 3 comments I have received you can see that not only are we not comparing apples with apples we are not even comparing apples with another type of fruit....

It looks to me that I spend more time and care writing the reason for rejecting the comment than the member took to write the comment I am rejecting. What a waste of time and effort!

Yes I do get that some people have had their comments unfairly rejected but please peeps lets get the quality up in a VERY big way.

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Kyle Premium Featured Comment
If you don't like the quality of a comment, disapprove it. Low quality commenters will get booted from the system. The thing is, you are in full control of this and also, when you request comments, you are getting MORE typically than you request, many bonus comments.

There are mostly great commenters within the platform, but there are always going to be those that are trying to pump out or game the system. The best way to stop this is to disapprove the lowest quality comments, with an explanation why, and move on.

The system will handle the rest and remove folks like this from being able to use the platform.
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LynneHuy Premium
Thank you Kyle for your input. I have had some amazing comments, but I think the last week or two I had a really shoddy run. I have rejected a whole bunch the last few days and will continue to do so.
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Kyle Premium
Yeah, it's not whether you "like" a comment, sometimes people have a different position on a topic than you, and that can actually be a really good conversation starter.

If the comment is thin, and lacks someone actually reading your content and offering a relevant content, or it doesn't make sense, or it is copied and pasted from another comment already on your site, then disapprove it.

The quality generally speaking is very high, and you get MORE comments than you request typically. So if one or two out of 10 or a bit lower quality and you cannot make simple modifications to fix them, then disapprove them. It will help improve the platform.
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LynneHuy Premium
Yes I have seen a huge increase in the number of comments and the speed that they come in - this is a massive improvement in sometimes waiting a long time for a comment. I think I just had a really bad run the last week or two.
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Maddy55 Premium
Kyle, the system also penalizes someone who passes on making a comment too (in the Site Comments tool). To achieve Certified Commenter status, one has to pretty much accept every single URL that is tossed in our laps through the Site Comment system.

I suspect some of the people leaving inadequate comments did not feel qualified to leave a comment but did not want to be penalized by refusing and moving on to another site. I have felt that way many times. I have never had a comment refused but as a result I've wasted a lot of time having to do research, just to leave a great comment!
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LynneHuy Premium
Marilyn if you keep getting blog posts that you don't want to comment on then perhaps you should update the section that asks you what niches you are interested in commenting on.

This will help to ensure that any posts that show up for you are things you are able to leave quality comments on.
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Kyle Premium
Yes, exactly. Update your "interests". If you have your interests set to everything, this could most definitely be an issue here.
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Kyle Premium
Yes, exactly. Update your "interests". If you have your interests set to everything, this could most definitely be an issue here and why you are getting comments that you are passing on.
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Kyle Premium
FYI, I have just blogged about this topic.
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DDarragh Premium
Thanks for that. I do believe the theory of the system is great and I use it!

Onward n upward
captdennis
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LLettau1 Premium
Thanks Kyle for the support.
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AlexEvans Premium
Hi, Lynne, this is an awesome post from someone at the top of their game, this is really well written and I think that you have articulated how many members have felt about the situation.


It is so good to have these conversations, and what has really impressed me is Kyle and Carsons drive for continual improvements and moving forward the site comment platform will be of real benefit to the whole community.

I would probably stretch it a bit further, and say that if you have accepted low-quality comments, even though you may have accepted them consider deleting them if they do not add value to your content.

Even after the fact.

I came across a post while searching organically, I know it was a member because I have seen their profile pic here, new member brilliant post, in the pet care niche, the comments on that post were mental and kind of related to everything that you have covered here in your post,

What the comments did was really detract from the content, it kind of left you with that reflection of

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They kind of overshadowed the content if you get what I am saying.

Just adding my two cents worth.

Brilliant post, Lynne thank you.

Alex
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LynneHuy Premium
That is exactly it Alex! I've come across that too, a brilliant post and then I get to the comments expecting a really good discussion and I am left wondering why someone with such an amazing post would allow all those shallow, thin and pointless comments on their website, ruining the experience?

The end goal of me writing this post and highlighting this issue was not to have a go at WA. It was to push the fact that we have a system that SHOULD work.

When we receive shoddy comments we should be deleting them and giving the member the exact reason why. This means that those members that need to up their game are forced to or they will not be able to earn through site comments.

The system is set up in such a way that members need to achieve 50 comments in 30 days before they can start earning through site comments. They also need to achieve an 80% approval rate.

WA has already put these protective measures in place. However when members feel sorry for those that are not putting the work in they ruin the system that protects us.

Now WA has had to put further measures in place, which I do really appreciate, but it could all have been avoided.
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rubyandally Premium
I received a comment yesterday which was simply off-topic, it had completely missed the point of the article I had written. This was after Kyle's update. I guessed the commentator was a newbie and I struggled with an appropriate response and eventually decided to sleep on it before taking action. This morning I rejected it, something I have never done before. I gave a detailed reason why I couldn't allow their comment and some advice which I hoped would help them to improve the way they leave comments in the future.

I had spent considerable time worrying that a rejection would hurt this person's feelings, but ultimately decided that this is my site, I put a lot of love and passion into my work and it is dear to me and my needs come first. The comment would have stuck out like a sore thumb and made my website look daft.

I hope the commentator understands. I tried looking for them on WA and would have dropped them a private message but couldn't identify their profile here.

I believe the improvements to the system will make a huge difference going forwards, but boy did that put me through some mental anguish last night! I probably just need to toughen up lol
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LynneHuy Premium
Alison you did the right thing! I always give a very detailed reason for the person when I reject the comment and this is what will ultimately really help them and everyone else in WA.

If you just reject the comment without helping the person I am totally against that. A helpful and detailed reply is what is needed here.

Hopefully that person takes careful note and better understands what is needed in site comments and in future will be able to give great comments :)

I don't think you need to feel guilty about this.
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rubyandally Premium
Thanks Lynne, I spend a lot of time and effort when I give comments and I did the same in rejecting this one. Now that I have one rejection under my belt I may feel less guilty next time. I'm just a softie at heart but this is business :-)
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LynneHuy Premium
It does get easier with time!
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CLandi Premium
Hi Lynne
I try to do my best when commenting on a website. I learned the hard way the difference between Site Comments and Site Feedback. Now my comments are more focused on the website content and how I can relate to it.

I believe that I put a lot of effort into my comments because I read the website in its entirety. How can I give an honest comment if I don't read a website from start to finish? I can't.

Chuck
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Kyle Premium
UPDATE: Blog post on this topic coming from us. We are making some much need changes to the "certified" element of SiteComments and we have also detected fraud and low quality across many "certified" accounts that were leading to very low quality comments (thin, useless blog comments).

So stay tuned. :)
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LynneHuy Premium
Awesome Kyle - I can't wait!
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Nekko26 Premium
Nothing is perfect but I think site comments was built with good intentions and just like everything else people will take advantage of it. As long as of us that are using it in the right way and with pure intent will win! People who have short term ill intent in mind won't be around long so keep your head up, and keep going above and beyond and it'll pay off!
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Calh60 Premium
Hi Lynne, admittedly I have not commented enough on posts but when I do I try to stick straight to the topic at hand and either explain how I learned something about a topic I knew nothing about or I gave them my thoughts on the topic at hand. I have not written enough content yet to get too many bad comments.

I agree with you, time and effort should deserve thoughtful input from commenters.

Very good post!
Cal
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Zikora Premium
Very eye opening discussion and to the ppont. I spend time reviewing the site or blog I'm commenting but I may have written "thin comment" out of ignorance. I'm sure a lot of people who joined after 2016 may not have seen that thread and no one said anything. This is helpful in educating commenters. Thanks too for taking the time to write a good comment example.
With the same breath, I have seen some comments that I was not sure I should approve.
Will personally pay more attention and expect the same.
Schola
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LynneHuy Premium
It is a pleasure Schola :)
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Mark-AI Premium
I wondered why I was getting more comments then I requested. I have a strict comment acceptance policy but I will be fair to bad spelling or grammar as I can easily fix that.

Any comments that are generic or non organic I will disapprove.

Having said that I want to shoutout that the last batch of comments that I recieved have been some of the best I have ever seen, credit where credit is due.
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LynneHuy Premium
I am glad to hear that you received some awesome comments recently! That is great news. Here's hoping the same happens with me soon too.
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SAWalden Premium
Hi Lynne,

I feel your pain.

I remember before Site Comments was monetized there were times I wasn't sure my article would ever receive a comment.

Now, I receive a comment within minutes of submitting an article. In the beginning I thought this was wonderful! And at this time, generally speaking, the quality of comments was quite high.

However, as time went by I began to receive my fair share of, "Thin, useless blog comments that offer no value" as well as those that I've had to read a second time to see if there was anything in that comment worth salvaging via an edit.

I do appreciate the fact that for many (actually a large majority) of those who have commented on my site, English is not their first language - not sure it is even their second or third language...

In any event, it appears too many people feel obligated to comment on the first article that pops up in their Que.

And yes, I also appreciate and understand the incentive to keep the number of comments high while keeping the skip rate low.

Unfortunately, this is the down side to monetizing site comments. It is my opinion that a system like this - unless moderated by an actual human 24/7 - will always be abused.

However, the real tragedy here is the poor ROI for you and others like you who take the time and effort to provide such high quality comments.
The credits you received were in return for the thorough, high quality comments given - but - what you received in return were comments that couldn't even be published on your site.

Let's hope those who need a "refresher" on comment etiquette will read this post and better yet, follow your link on "Quality Commenting".



Here's to Quality Comments From This Day Forward!

Susan
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LynneHuy Premium
Yeah it is very sad Susan, honestly I preferred the old way because the comments were much better quality than they are now. Yes its true that if you asked for one 1 you very rarely got more than 1 comment and it took a lot longer to get the comment but that was fine with me. I don't mind waiting and I don't mind getting only 1 comment when I ask for 1.

I do however require a high quality comment or at least passable quality. What is being received lately is just not ok in my eyes.
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Kyle Premium
This is likely the result of you getting MORE comments than ever, and faster. The quality will continue to increase as we make small modifications and as those that are not producing quality, simply don't have the ability to comment.

But as with any human system, there are going to be higher quality and lower quality producers within the system. I have never received the quality of comments I get within SiteComments on my website ever, and I think many others can speak to this.

For the small number of low quality comments I get, it creates authentic and powerful engagement with some of the most popular and highest ranking threads.
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lesabre Premium
Hi Lynne, great post and so right on point. I have spent sometimes over a hour reviewing a website. I offer my honest opinion and I include a lot of text into my feed back. My comments are just an opinion of what I think could be better, what is great, both compliment and offer constructive criticism. Sometimes I am just in awe of some of the sites I look at.
My feedback if asked for, would offer the person the chance to at least consider my opinion.
I respect you and I expect the same. I am not very good at this website stuff, but I think I have been around long enough to recognize certain errors. My gosh my site is full of errors. I spent fruitless hours with site support last night and into the morning, and still haven't gone to bed. I do speak a few different languages and, I am sure I was communicating in English. Even adding screen shots. I appreciate their attempts to offer help, resolve my issues.
Alas, I need to go back to the beginning. Re-learn, re-think. Sorry, I got distracted from your post as I am still venting.

I do know that if I comment on someones website and it is rejected, I get a the rule book shoved at me by Kyle.

I would like WA members to offer each other respect, honesty, encouragement, and not be prejudiced. This applies to the hierarchy also. This is a great platform. Yes it get's frustrating at times for me, but I am always learning. I am thankful for that.

Lynne if you do get the time and I PM you my URL, could you please offer me some suggestions.

Thank you for your post and I apologize if I got a bit side tracked.
Michael
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LynneHuy Premium
Hey Michael - just bear in mind too that a site comment and site feedback are completely different so perhaps that is where things are going a bit pear-shaped when you have given comments? Check out the training link in my post that explains the difference between site comments and site feedback in detail.

Simply put a site comment must be focused around the actual blog post that you are commenting on. There must be feedback about the website in that comment.

Site feedback is where you have a look at the website and let the owner know what you think of the website, where you feel things could be improved and what you feel works.

And yes of course you are more than welcome to send me your website via PM and I will take a look and give you feedback as soon as I can!
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kevin928 Premium
Agree entirely. I currently have 7 pending comments all that really need rejecting because they are just a regurgitation of phrases I have used and like your comments above have not actually understood the article.

I would prefer people not comment if they can’t take the time to read the article and comment appropriately. I am happy with some poor grammar and spelling mistakes especially if it is a second language.

I am happy with someone disagreeing with my post as it gives me the chance to engage. But comments where its obvious the reader hasn’t read the post thoroughly though no.

Problem is I don’t like rejecting them so they are just sitting there at the moment!!
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LynneHuy Premium
Hey Kevin but that is the thing... why must you feel bad when someone has not done what they are required to do - read the post and leave an insightful, meaningful comment that adds value to your post?

I no longer feel guilt because I am not receiving what I should be. I allocate time regularly to comment on others websites rather than just pay WA for comments on mine because I actually enjoy adding value for other members but this is time consuming and it is painful when I see the difference between what I give and what I receive.

Like you I am happy with language differences when it comes to grammar and spelling but this is different - this is a clear disregard for what they should be doing and just trying to cut corners at my expense.
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PaulREvans57 Premium
Your blog post is an excellent example of how a blog should be written!

It follows Kyle’s guidelines of CIAO very well!

It is posts like this that create debate and fires up people’s emotions. People feel compelled to respond.

Well done, Lynne! I must read more of your blog. If they are as good as this, I will learn to be a better blogger.
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LynneHuy Premium
LOL not all my posts are interesting and debatable :) But this was something that has been really annoying me for a while and I thought today was the day to let this out!
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PaulREvans57 Premium
Well, it ticks all the right boxes!

I see you’re well over 100 comments. When I left work there was 94!
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LynneHuy Premium
Well I've always found if you can find a topic that riles people up its gold LOL
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NnurseBecca Premium
Okok I am kidding, I really do have more to say. AND read it completely. It is a tangent worthy of a soapbox. When you compare comprehension among readers, please consider and try to realize the wide array of ability. I think a thin comment maybe starving because the person may need encouragement. Not an immediate rejection. With my experience, I can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that responses can glitch and go onto the wrong website entirely. I approve a number of comments which are not formatted and don't appear at first to be thoughtful. Without editing.

This has multiple functions.

First, I want to encourage all levels of ability to use their ability to the best of their ability. Some of these answers maybe from countries where they have no food. Seriously, if they have one leader of the tribe who speaks partial English, then more power to them if they can get a bowl of rice now for a starving child. Then the encouragement may reciprocate into feeding an entire family and a village or the whole world. Ok this is an exaggeration. My point here is to ask you to be just a little bit more lenient because the get er done is great and then the do gooder than you attitude maybe at times unfriendly, and at other times could really backfire for the whole community. I am asking you to approve one of the thinnest comments, and try to feed its belly to find out what can happen.

Just as a miniature project.

Although I think it is stellar to have high expectations and requirements, every once in a while we have to question concrete thinking. You may approve a comment that sparks a radical wonderful group of responders. Not every one has fluency or lucidity and also are nervous trying to figure out what to say. May be all they can think of is this is fantastic! Then you ignore that one which would have been a future share that could have went viral with an explosion of internet fireworks that make it rain money for you... but maybe it is just a nice thing to do to give someone the time of day even when they are at a spot of poverty for words. I hope my reply rant is not too soapy of a box. I just loved your post and it intrigued thoughts that took me time to organize.
Best Regards,
Nurse Becca
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LynneHuy Premium
I understand what you are saying Becca - and yes there may be people starving to death all over the world that can feed their families from the comments that they leave on my website. It is not that I am unfeeling but more that I also work my ass off and I don't do it to feed all the poor families at WA that may be illiterate. I work all hours of the day and night to feed MY family.

Yes that may sound really harsh and unfeeling but if I am going to spend my time giving comments or paying WA to get high quality comments on my website I don't feel that I need to approve low quality comments.

If members are starving and want to feed their families I will happily ask for more comments to help them support themselves and their families but they will need to work for it.

I don't mind that odd low quality comment and I have in the past let them slide a lot.... but when almost every single comment is appalling for a period of time I am left with 2 choices. Stop using the comments feature or reject the low quality comments.

I have chosen to reject the low quality comments. This still gives those members a chance to feed their families but they will need to up their game considerably, starting with taking the time to read the post at least.
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laurenjean Premium
Wow, Lynne, your comments are brilliant. I can absolutely see why you reject comments that are thin and especially comments that are unrelated to the post. You bring a wealth of experience to the table and share it generously in your comments. This is exactly what Kyle taught us to do.

I have a slightly different approach on my own sites. I accept almost all comments unless they are clearly barking up the wrong tree.

I figure there will be people visiting my site whose first language is not English and therefore I accept grammatical errors. I also accept that my audience has varying levels of understanding of the topic. I don't expect every visitor to give a quality comment or even know what a quality comment is. And that's okay. To me, the more comments the merrier. Its just harder to respond to a weak comment.
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NnurseBecca Premium
bingo
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LynneHuy Premium
Each to his own :) Lauren I will accept grammar mistakes, spelling mistakes and big differences in opinion with pleasure. What I will not accept is people wasting my time by not making an effort in an attempt to game the system to earn an income from WA comments.
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laurenjean Premium
Aah, I hear you Lynne. Good point. I didn't know there was anyone trying to game the system at Wealthy Affiliate.
I see Kyle seems to have cleared this issue up in his latest post.
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LynneHuy Premium
You can clearly see that the comments in my post were completely empty and useless - of course they were trying to game the system! And yes as always WA cleans is up :)
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Kemdi12 Premium
Very Interesting Article.
Your Post definitely hits home and is very relatable since I've experienced the problem from both sides.
I currently have a 100% commenter status and a 0% skip rate. That's mainly because I ONLY comment on things I know and have used or heard off in the past.
However, I saw some of the comments you used as examples of bad comments.
I think the main reason for that is because WA requires you to give lengthy comments that can help the website and make it feel authentic to outside viewers.
I personally HATE this rule cause it leads to generic SHIT like the ones you mentioned in your post.
However, I won't be quick to reject their comments because if it was up to me, I will prefer something more honest like "Nice post Really inspiring", than typing something lengthy and trying to explain how the post helped you when you have zero ideas of what is being talked about.


For instance, when you gave an example of a comment that was offered on your site which talked about Home Loan. However, the commenter talked about Business Loan and how hard it is to attain.
If it was up to me I won't reject that comment cause they were simply trying to give their own experience on how getting a business loan was hectic. (which they thought would coincide with that of a Home Loan).
However, the reason I think they gave that comment on your site was because of the WA policy which tells you to offer lengthy comments that help the website feel authentic to an outside audience.

This happened to me once on the very first comment I offered which got rejected cause I gave my HONEST opinion not knowing what was talked about, But how I had learned so much just from reading the article.
After that day I SWORE never to offer comments on topics I knew nothing about (even if they talked on important or interesting issues). And because of that, I've been able to get 100% approval rating on the comments I've offered to people.


SIte 2.0 might not be perfect or designed the way we all want it. Also, it's true that people will abuse the system and leave comments that are generic or have nothing to do with the topic just as you mentioned. However, Google doesn't look for authenticity but SIte Engagement. So rejecting a comment that was offered on your website just because it doesn't really talk about what you explained, in my opinion, is a little bit HARSH. I personally only reject comments that are Spam. (which I've only gotten once on WA)


And don't get me wrong. I too can relate to your pain cause I run an Anime/gaming website(https://eliteartifacts.com/) which isn't really talked about here on WA and in addition, there's no interest for that genre in the SIte Interest.
And as a result, I always get comments that have nothing to do with my posts cause most people don't watch Anime in WA.
Does this mean I have to reject 99% of the comments that were offered by people who were trying their BEST to leave something good on my website?
My answer is NO. What I simply do is edit the comment and approve it since nothing is ever gonna be perfect.
Moreover, I once got a comment from an outside source which wasn't from WA. And the comment went like this

" NICE JOB LOVE YOUR POST"

And get this, my article was talking about Top 5 inspirational Anime's. If they were a member of WA, Their comment would get rejected in an INSTANT cause it's not lengthy enough and doesn't explain what anime they liked OR their own personal Top 5 inspirational anime's

I hope you can see the point I'm trying to make. In the real world, most people don't leave lengthy comments that always talk about the topic in your post. Also, since people are gonna get tempted of the fact that WA pays one to leave comments on member sites, people wouldn't hesitate to leave a half-assed comment that doesn't do your post justice. If I can recall a time before site comment 2.0 People rarely left comments on other peoples sites because there was no INCENTIVE to do so.
But no system is ever gonna be perfect and I think the way WA has handled it is FAIR ENOUGH for everyone. Nonetheless, there is still room for improvement and I'm Sure Kyle and Carson are working daily to make it acceptable for everyone on the platform.

Really liked your post. It's definitely an issue that needs to be addressed further moving forward.
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LynneHuy Premium
Thanks for your feedback and I understand what your point. From my side though I won't leave a comment on a post if I cannot provide value and I think that is the point here.

For example I wouldn't even attempt commenting on your website since gaming and Anime is nothing I know about so the only option I would have is to give you some vague and uninspiring comment which is not in my nature :)
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Cherry21 Premium
I was thinking he same thing, as far the outside post and how people may respond. Good answer.
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Stephanie-AR Premium
Thank you for taking the time to give a really thorough explanation here, Kemdi. I feel that I understand this issue much better! As a new member here, I understand from connecting and reading other people's posts that there are some subtle and sometimes not-so-subtle issues happening behind-the-scenes that I'm not privy to.
You just made this particular issue crystal clear, and I appreciate it.
All the best,
Stephanie
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Kemdi12 Premium
Thanks, Stephanie Its a real issue that affects me since not many people here are in my niche
But whenever they comment on my post, even though it might not be what I was looking for, I still try my best to work with what I have (except the comment is spam)
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TylerClark34 Premium
I just posted today, and requested comments. The title was all that was read by most that replied, I am sure. The majority of comments had almost nothing to do with the actual product being reviewed.

Also, I received about 5 comments in a lot less time than it would actually take to read 660 words and write a comment.

It seems that every post I submit gets a little worse. I truly hope people are disapproving every comment that is irrelevant to the content.
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LynneHuy Premium
That is the purpose of my blog post. WA has put a system in place and we need to work it. If other members approve low quality comments this defeats the entire purpose of comment feature. It is supposed to benefit us, not waste our time and our efforts.

I have seen a huge drop in quality in comments recently and I am not going to tolerate that when I have put in such hard work.
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donco6 Premium
I'm rather merciless about it. No, I'm not going to spend my time editing. No, I'm not going to "let this one slide." I worked hard to earn the credits I'm spending, and I expect at least as good in return. Nothing less.
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LynneHuy Premium
I feel the same way! I also work really hard to get credits.
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NicholaJames Premium
Hi Lynne,

Absolutely, reject comments that are of poor quality and unrelated to your blog post content. If you can spend the time reading and leaving a great comment on some else's website, then you should expect the same in return.

I have not used this resource yet because of exactly what you are writing about in this blog post. Thanks for sharing! I appreciate the content.

Much success to you!

Kind regards,
Nichola
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LynneHuy Premium
Don't let it hold you back Nichola - do like I do and reject - you will receive back the comments that are due to you. Not the extras that you get of course but the ones that you request and you have earned you will get credits back.
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NicholaJames Premium
Thanks Lynne! Will do! I appreciate the encouragement.
All the best to you!
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RosanaHart Premium
I'm new to WA but I've had blogs for years and years. I automatically consider the "great info!" type of post as spam and I instantly delete it. Usually it has a link to a website on something rather dubious, or it might be a link to a competing website.

For example on one of my blogs I have a step-by-step post with detailed photos about how my husband fixed the roof of our old motorhome when it developed a leak. Well, at least every couple of months I get a comment that includes a link to a particular brand of roof repair product. I have come to the conclusion that the person or group who does that has put the link to my post on a to-do list that they check now and then.

Going off on a different tack, lots of people here at WA add me to their friends list, which is nice, but I sure do get tired of receiving virtually identical welcome comments. The ones that indicate they at leas glanced at my bio or a blog post I'm happy to receive.
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LynneHuy Premium
I totally agree with you. "Great post" comments do nothing but tick me off.

I don't follow members here and I don't welcome newbies much either. If someone stands out for me or if I stumble across an amazing post I may... but usually I just keep to myself.
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Twack Premium
Thank for your really good blog entitled Thin, Useless Blog Comments That Offer No Value? No Thank You! I must say I didn't realise so much went into making chiabbat bread but I wil be sure tofollw your wise andinsightful words when I'm nex t in the kitchen. Thank you again.

Please accept my apologies in advance for the above comment, it was made in haste and with poor judgement.
I keep saying I've not been here that long...and it's true, still can't blog more than once a day yet, probably a good thing. In my short tenure I have used the site comment system only for giving comments. I've had three rejected....for quite bizarre reasons...hey ho,move on. This week is the first week I've used it for receiving comments. I used 'credit' for two comments and received seven in return. Yay me. I've approved four and the other three I'm undecided as yet.
Out of the seven, I would say three were good,three were barely ok and one was poor. Good isn't great. The whole set up seems to be fighting itself....there is plenty of advice and training on how to leave comments...do they look genuine when someone just happens to come across them who isn't from WA, not sure, quite often they look 'artificial'. I had all my comments back within five to ten minutes....long enough to have a good read of a 1700 word review, digest the information and make an informed,insightful and engaging comment, probably not. The comment is the 'end' result of who can get to the prize the quickest. The flip side of that is the amount of members with relatively new sites would like some comments..period. Great quality would be awesome but good would seem to be acceptable as the comment is the 'means to an end' in regard to getting some 'presence'..sorry I'm not sure which bit comments helps with, SEO, SERP, trust or authority.
If you reject all the comments you ask for, do you get the 'credits' back ?
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LynneHuy Premium
Hey Twack - well I just LOVE chiabbat bread but have no idea how to make it :)

The thing is that if you asked for 1 comment and received 7 comments, approve 3 and reject 4 you will not get another 4 comments. However if you ask for one comment and you reject it for being poor quality you will get your credit back.

Comments help with creating a website that looks like it gets great engagement, as well as helps with SEO, SERP, trust and authority.

However if the comments are low quality it does not help so much with making your website look great. One thing I love when I read blog posts is checking out the comments. I love it when there is discussion about the topic and it makes me (a real reader) more likely to join in.

If the comments are low quality that just say "hey nice post" I don't feel inclined to join in at all.
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Twack Premium
Thank you for 'clearing' that one up for me, so much I'm still learning and trying to find definitves isn't always easy, so I appreciate you taking the time. Working on what you say it would seem that 'engagement' is nearly at the heart of all that we do. I will be checking to see if there are any 'websites' tied in with the comments I've had..re backlinking...again something I was not aware of.
Enjoy the rest of your day/night.
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LynneHuy Premium
It is a pleasure :) Yes engagement is big for business!
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DDarragh Premium
I agree with everything you said. There are two basic problems with the comment and feedback section.
1) The training you made should be part of the basic training.
2) Allowing people to make money leaving comments.

For some reason newbies and a lot of seasoned members here at WA place way to much value in the shear number of comments.

I get people sending me PM's asking me to comment on their site. LOL Have they already commented on mine? NO
(on a side note, I currently have a member that blocked me because i laughed at her when she accused me of not following her back on social networks when it was really that she had never followed me)
I welcome all followers and check their profile and go to their site Leave a relevant comment then come back and tell them I took the liberty of leaving a comment and would appreciate one in return.

LOL my ROI is about 1% meaning I have gotten 1 return comment for every 100 comments I have shared LOL

That will not daunt me on my mission because I use every website I see as a leaning experience. I am more interested in that one person that responds.

An old adage "It is easier to run with one person than to carry a hundred people"

So YEAH I don't have to delete as many real comments ~~~ OH wait~~~ I have never had a real comment as stupid as the ones I reject in this system.

With that said I will continue to leave good comments as an example and reject the ones I can tell are just commenting for the sake of commenting.

onward n upward
captdennis
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LynneHuy Premium
That is a lovely saying Dennis... I'm going to add that to my arsenal if you don't mind :)

Yeah the comments are really bad right now, hence this post. I just wanted to highlight that there is only one way in my mind to get rid of the problem right now and that is reject the shoddy comments.

And I know exactly what you mean about people getting funny about following and expecting it back.

Here's my take on that:
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PaulREvans57 Premium
I see it differently.

All comments are welcome, poor English and bad grammar. It matters not!

For me, it adds content to my posts.

On a few occasion the comments posted, along with my replies, has doubled my content!

All GoogleBot sees is engagement. It doesn’t check grammar. It probably doesn’t care too much about relevance!

Humans are fallible, why in WA do we strive for perfection. In our comments?

People will sometime leave comments in text speak. It happens. Your real-world comments are not going to be perfect.

Do you want to disapprove 50 comments, just so they don’t spoil your beautiful webpage, you would you instead engage with these people and show Googlebot that your post is popular?

So to all the lovely people who have left comments inside and from outside WA. Keep them coming. I have a 100% approval rating! It all helps my Google ranking! :)
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LynneHuy Premium
But you write quality Paul. You have joined in this discussion, yes with an opposing view, and you have added quality to it so I am not surprised that you have a 100% approval rating.

And no I don't want 50 posts on my website like the examples above. I would prefer one from you, even if it perhaps had a little poor English and an opposing view.
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PaulREvans57 Premium
I don’t have a 100% approval rating on comments I have given. Some people refuse comments for oddest of reasons.

I do have a 100% approval rating on comments I have received. They are all worthy, even those that read a bit stilted, drift off topic or with poor grammar.
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LynneHuy Premium
Yes I know people refuse things for strange reasons, I have seen that before. In fact someone I know got comments rejected (all on the same website) because that person decided that they had enough comments and didn't need any more.

I do understand some of the reasons that people have been given for rejections even if I have not really thought it was fair...

I do have a 100% approval rating for my comments - in all the time since I joined in 2015 I have not had one comment rejected. This is because I ensure that I give value every single time. If I can't add great value I don't comment.
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acebh Premium
Without understanding how the SiteComments / SiteFeedback works behind-the-scenes, I'd think some tweaks could be made there to improve the quality issues.

If a member's commenting on a number of websites and getting far more REJECTS for the total number of comments submitted, then the ability for that member to continue being fed websites to comment on should be throttled or removed for a period of time (ie. a probation period). In terms of data to analyze to determine quality someone is producing, a two week period could ultimately be judged for high/low quality based on the number of accepted and rejected comments within that period.

So then a user gets rated low in the system, things are throttled.. and now they get served some links for training/tutorials on how to improve their comment acceptance rate. Until they complete that training and the appropriate time elapses, they can't continue to leave comments.

If it happens again. And again. Then the system keeps track of all that. And the probation period gets a bit longer each time.

Just one way to go about it to ensure that there's a way for people to IMPROVE, which is why many of us are here. Not to manipulate a system, but to learn, succeed and help others.
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LynneHuy Premium
Well I think the issue here is that members must reject comments because I know loads of members accept the comment and then edit it to make it valuable which is completely ridiculous and a waste of time.

The problem as I see it is that members are using the site comments feature to try and earn an income. But instead of trying to add value they are taking short cuts and not putting in any effort.

The point that I am making here is that there is a system in place for members to reject the comment which means firstly that the member will not be paid for that rejected comment, in addition to that a member needs to have an 80%+ approval rate in order to earn through site comments.

If members continue to approve shoddy comments this problem will just continue unchecked. It is only when members put their foot down and reject comments that the low quality commenters will need to step up their game to get their approval rate up again.

I believe the system in place is very good and I know Kyle and Carson are always working on improving things here.

This is up to the community to use the system properly, to ensure that members that are trying to game the system don't get it right :)
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IrmaStretch Premium
And that is the problem with the Site Comments feature and the comment exchange.

It is paying people to make comments on blog posts that do not really interest them.

I think if people are searching the internet to find a solution to a problem, and they find a great solution, they will leave a great comment. Forced comments are not always good comments.

I try to make sure that my comments are valuable, but I do not always get valuable comments back. It is a kind of catch-22.

I do delete thin comments, but not always.
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acebh Premium
I used to program back-end web applications, etc. So I definitely see that this website is setup to encourage good things to happen. But any system needs some tweaks after a bit, once it's been tested and flaws are found... or once users are manipulating things in ways that detracts from the main purpose of the website.

If you're still getting low quality comments and having to hit reject often, that shouldn't happen after a while. Maybe someone rejecting comments often should be able to decide if they want to pay for higher quality comments for that article/website.. 2 credits instead of 3 credits. You could still hit reject in that case, but would have greater assurance you'd be getting the quality you wanted.

There's solutions here. If the system was already working and didn't need any tweaks, you wouldn't have created this post and had so many people commenting =)
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LynneHuy Premium
You do have a point there and that is why member should try and leave comments where they can add value, not everywhere that they can type :) It is a bit of a catch 22.
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LynneHuy Premium
Kyle and Carson do regularly tweak things so I have no doubt that they will read this and see the issue at hand and at some stage make some more changes. For example one thing I would really love to see is a feature to choose if I want men, women or both to give comments.

Some of my websites are geared towards women and I get loads of men commenting which quite frankly is a little weird and if I arrived on a website geared towards women I would get a little spooked seeing 50 comments from men and no women! So I am not requesting comments for those 2 sites. I am waiting patiently and hoping that will become a feature at some stage.
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PaulREvans57 Premium
Do people do that? I wouldn’t dream of editing someone's comments. How rude of them!
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LynneHuy Premium
I don't do it myself but I do know a lot of people accept the comments then edit them to be suitable for their website.
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DDarragh Premium
I so agree with you about not editing comments. I will not do that!

onward n upward
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IrmaStretch Premium
I think a better system is to have a course on how to leave decent comments and then you have to leave 10 - or even 20 - decent comments (for practice) before you can be considered to have finished the course.

Or maybe you have to be signed off by an ambassador.

I look specifically for urls that are in topics that I am already interested in, so that my comments are relevant.
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LynneHuy Premium
Well you do need to have achieved I think 50 comments in a month before you are a certified commenter.

The whole point of my post really is to highlight to the community that it is OUR job to vet the members that leave comments.

There is a reason that there is an option to reject and there is a reason that members need to have an 80% approval rate in order to be eligible to get paid for comments.

When members approve comments as is or approve them and edit them when they are shoddy, low quality comments it does the entire community here a disservice.

By rejecting comments we are ensuring that anyone that tries to take short cuts is removed from earning that way and they will either have to start leaving quality comments or they will give up.

The system is good - we just need to work it properly to make it work for us.
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DDarragh Premium
Right on yes I agree.

It is up to us to use the system correctly and set an example by leaving quality comments.

onward n upward
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Selenityjade Premium
I don't know why people expect guest blog quality in their comments. Organic comments are definitely not going to live up to those standards. A comment section is for your audience to express themselves, either by their opinion or just to ask a question or say hi. As long as the comment is authentic, it's great. A website owner is just the 'moderator' of the comments. Making sure spam isn't getting through or inappropriate and illegal stuff doesn't get through. Comments don't belong to the site owner, they belong to the commenter, legally. This is so we can't be sued for what someone else writes on our site. If you want total control over everything, those site owners usually turn off comments.

I take my examples from successful bloggers that I follow, not WA. I've even asked successful bloggers their comments policy and most don't have one, except for spam.

Now obviously regarding WA comments, if they don't read my post, I'm rejecting it. But I don't reject for poor English or anything. I even approved a bullying comment made on my website, because why not? It's more authentic that way. That said, I hate people pretending I my comments. It's really fake and obvious and while I approve them because they read it, I'd rather have honesty about their experience or thoughts then what they THINK I want. That is what comes of expecting so much of comments.

It's more authentic to have some good comments and quite a few 'nice post' comments because many people online only comment rarely and if they do it's flimsy. I find even those of some value because you know they're there. Without comments, you don't know they visited. And some people aren't comfortable with more and that's okay. Every little comment helps, showing engagement and that post might be interesting.

I am totally against editing comments, it's definitely cheating and totally unethical.

I myself often do long comments where I've definitely over-explained, but that's my personality. It's actually kind of hurtful to get rejected based off a small personality flaw. I babble. It's me. It's not a harmful personality trait. But I never fake interest or lie about buying something I'm not interested in.

And 'paying' for comments is inethical, just like paying for reviews. I look at it as 'trading' because I don't buy credits, but I spend time helping other sites. Which I would do anyway without the Site Comments section.

What comments say isn't as important as that they're real and there. It proves your content has people talking about it and Google takes notice. Even negative comments help.

So yeah, while I get ticked people don't even read the posts, and reject them, I don't censor my comments any other way. I want my comments to be truthful and real over 'perfect' any day. Not to mention it builds trust with my audience if I approve and reply to every comment, even inane 'great post' comments.
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LynneHuy Premium
If you are happy with loads of comments that add no value that is certainly your choice and you are welcome to make it. However from my side I expect members to actually make an effort and clearly none has been made.

I would rather have no comments on my websites than the rubbish that has been coming through my side.

And just so you know those shoddy empty comments that come through organically are most likely people trying to gain backlinks from your website through adding their website link. So no those are not natural either and are probably added using software.

When you check a comment on your website click on "quick edit" and you can see there if that person has added a website. You may not think it is spam because they never added a link in the actual comment, but it is spam. I will bet my ass that every comment you have on your website that is a thin comment has a website link in there that you can delete.

I can't see that anyone that is so interested in your post will take the time to leave a one liner thin comment. It just makes no sense.

I totally agree with you though that approving negative comments is the way to go. I have had a lot of those and I always approve them - firstly because they are real and authentic so they should be published but also because there is nothing like a little bit of a squabble to get your content to spread quicker and that is ultimately what we are all after - getting our online reach to increase!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, even if they are not exactly in line with mine. That is what this is all about, sharing our thoughts and feelings. This is an open platform and discussion is welcome!
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Freisia Premium
Well said, you have made your point very clear. If anything is worth doing at all, it is worth doing well . I agree that if you have worked hard to produce a post with valuable content , it is only right that you could expect a well thought out comment which will add value to the overall content.
One of the issues I have with WA comments is the speed with which some people respond. I know how long each post takes to read and especially if there' s a really pertinent video included, I can safely assume that if a comment comes within a minute of putting it up for comment that it has not been given adequate attention to qualify them to write anything.
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LynneHuy Premium
I spend more time and effort writing my reason for rejecting the comment than the person who left the comment took.

Not ok.
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beachwood Premium
You LynneHuy are awesome! Thank you for posting about this important hot topic right now! This NEEDS to be read by all who use Site Comments! I personally have never had a comment rejected but boy oh boy have I rejected a bunch of them for the exact reasons you share about in this post!
And what is the deal with the word "lovely"! In almost every comment I receive, invariably, the word "lovely" is used! If I even see that word the comment is rejected, no questions asked but I do leave a positive rejection note that hopefully they can learn from.
Nothing against the word "lovely" it has it's place in our language, but not in a comment on my sites!
Hopefully, folks who are guilty of this, who read your post will learn something here and apply it the next time they make comments!

Thanks again!

Chris
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LynneHuy Premium
I believe that the only way to resolve this issue is for everyone to get on board and reject all thin comments. This will make approval rates go down so they won't be able to get paid to comment until they get their approval rates up and there is only one way to do that - give quality comments.
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Crazyhaggis Premium
Yes that ‘lovely ‘ comment drives me nuts!
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LynneHuy Premium
Yeah it gets me too :)
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Crazyhaggis Premium
When I rejected a couple of comments 2 months ago I was abused by one member. Another member blogged about it and complained.
I am someone who believes you shouldn’t edit comments.
However, the abuse and the complaint didn’t upset me. What surprised me was the number of members who came out in support of editing the comments, it was the overwhelming majority.
It really put me off using site comments. I’ll use the give and take comments thread until I see some improvements being made to site comments.
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LynneHuy Premium
If you were abused then it is simple, hit the report button and take a screenshot to send to Kyle and Carson. No matter what you do, including rejecting comments (fairly or unfairly) there is no excuse for members being abusive and rude to others.

I told these members in the feedback when I rejected the comments very nicely and clearly why I rejected the comments. What they choose to do with that is their business.

I do believe that avoiding something because of the ways others react is not the way to go. That just means that members can continue giving low quality content and abusing anyone that stands in their way?

I don't believe in standing down, especially something like this.
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Crazyhaggis Premium
Yeh I’m done whining about site comments for now, I’ve been banging on about it for about 3 months now. I’m not standing down, I’m simply not supporting the platform until the issues are fixed.
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LynneHuy Premium
The issue here in my opinion is not so much the platform but the members that are approving comments that are not deserving and with members not using it because of the selected few that are abusing the system.

If members stood together and rejected the comments that are not deserving only members that deserve to earn through that feature will earn.
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Crazyhaggis Premium
Agree, but as I mentioned the majority of members seem to think it’s ok to ‘be nice’, approve the comments then edit them.
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LynneHuy Premium
I'm not as nice as I look :) LOL
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SondraM Premium
We are very fortunate to have a membership that includes people from all over the world.

Yet, with real estate related posts, I choose to NOT use site comments to request comments. Each country has such different ways of doing things that the replies can sound very weird even if the person did try.

So, it is truly possible that if the people read your post, might have thought that start up capital is similar to down payment assistance.

On the other hand, my posts about the need to de-cluttering a house before you sell it has gotten great comments. Apparently that is a world wide problem.

When we request comments, we are ultimately asking people to pretend like they found our websites naturally and organically. So that could be an underlying reason why so many people get frustrated by the comments they receive.

The average person simply isn't good at faking interest in everyone's posts. Yet, they try to do so to either earn credits for comments and feedback or for 25 cents.
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LynneHuy Premium
When I come across a post that does not interest me or even sometimes that I don't understand then I do not leave a comment because I know that I cannot add value.

I also agree that many people are not English and then there may be an error or a misunderstanding. I have no problem with people that do no speak English leaving comments on my website.

The issue that I am facing here is a recent rush of comments where clearly the person did not read the post or take any care when writing it.

This is not acceptable for me.
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JackieSmith Premium
I agree Lynn.

I regularly get notifications that a post is available for me to comment on, however, because I'm not in the right frame of mind to read and comment on a post, I will let it pass.

On the other hand, there are times when I have all the time in the world to thoroughly read through a post and offer valuable comments - it is at times like these when I will respond.

Responding to comments for the sake of gaining a credit is certainly not the way to go.

Hopefully, this will be the last post concerning this. The Site comment feature is a great tool - if we use it correctly.

Thanks again for reminding us.
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LynneHuy Premium
It is an amazing tool for sure! I personally love it. However there is something going wrong with it lately and I think that it has to do with the payment system - there was not so much of an issue previously when there was no payment system.
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Crazyhaggis Premium
I agree with your points completely. Why waste time and money when you receive thin comments. I have received similar comments to the examples you show.
Honestly, it really is a problem, so much so that I've stopped using site comments. This is sad because I have used it in the past to gain comments and improve my rankings for posts.
All of these issues only started happening when site comments was changed and the whole 'payment' system was introduced. I wish the guys would change it back to how it was about a year ago, it seemed to work OK then.
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LynneHuy Premium
Yes it has gotten a lot worse since the payment system has been introduced, however remember that anyone that is trying to gain income through commenting needs to have a certain comment approval rate to be paid.

I am not about to reward bad commenters by approving their comments. The only way to get rid of this problem is by rejecting all comments that are clearly thin comment and inappropriate.
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tommo1968 Premium
Same here Lynne, I was able to get a steady supply of comments a while ago which helped in getting new posts serped. Now all I get is dross not worth the time to read.

It's a pity as it was a good bit of extra content for my site every month. Now I have to rely on organic comments which are few and far between.

I think if they took off the crediting feature we could get it back to something we can use again.
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LynneHuy Premium
I think all we need is for members to stop approving comments that are not deserving. There is a system in place whereby anyone wanting to earn from site comments needs an 80% or higher approval rate.

If members start rejecting comments that are low quality and useless the members that are giving those comments will quickly learn... or they won't be able to earn. It is simple.
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tommo1968 Premium
Great to see the guys are active in fixing the problem. After Kyles comment, I decided to give it a go again.

I asked for 4 comments on 4 different posts. Received 13 in total, 4 I binned for not being quality the rest were decent with 3 absolute beauties.

I just replied to 5 of those comments and posted them (10) to the website. I did a quick count and find I have now 1100 new words posted. So that's just over 100 per comment including mine of course. That is decent for probably 30 mins work.

Do that several times a week and the content will grow nicely along with the 3 (2000 word) posts per week I try to squeeze in.

If it continues like that I will be happy.
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LynneHuy Premium
That is brilliant Mark and so glad to hear you are rejecting comments that are not up to scratch - if we all do that it will solve the problem very quickly and WA won't have to put the manpower to manually reviewing members since we do that job!
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TommyVTE Premium
I asked myself sometimes that if outside of WA every organic comment would be from someone that master writing skills like all of the great novelist here or do we want a comment from someone that in the end will clicks a link and purchase something and we get our affiliated procent. In the end your website is there to provide information on the subject and generate income.
Have a great day
Tommy
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LynneHuy Premium
Hey Tommy. I don't expect every member that comments on my posts to be an excellent writer. I do however expect them to:
1) Read my blog post before commenting
2) Leave a comment that is related to the blog post content
3) Leave an engaging comment that adds value

This is what the site comments feature is supposed to be used for. Not for members trying to make a quick buck by leaving vague, unrelated and thin comments.
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Helene76 Premium
Hi. Maybe I just learned something here.. 😝 I’m a new member that became Premium a week ago. I received lots and lots of posts from
members welcoming me. I thought at first it was great, but as I carried on reading I kept wondering why everyone was sooo nice here, and it felt a little bit fake.. Now if I understand correctly, you get credits for welcoming people or posting on their page ?
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Encourager1 Premium
I you don’t get credits for welcoming people. In Site comments you get credit for commenting on other people’s articles then you can use those credits to get comments on your articles
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acebh Premium
Felt the same way when I joined. On one hand, it's nice to get immediate welcomes from people and makes the place seem friendly... though it did "feel odd" to me and I'd imagine there's quite a few people that have felt that way.

Having been a member for a few weeks, it's noticeable that some people see ranking as pretty important here and are "interacting" heavily to improve their ranking. Commenting, liking posts, welcoming every new member, congratulating members that upgraded, etc. Additionally some members go following thousands or tens of thousands of users figuring they'll get followed in return by enough of them. Those are ways to manipulate ranking quickly.

The question is, just how much weight is given to the three metrics "Helper Rank", "Creator Rank" and "Activity Rank". Equal thirds?

It seems easier to achieve lower Helper / Creator ranks, so that almost removes those as obstacles to get through to getting a lower overall rank. The Activity Rank becomes the focus. And people commenting with canned responses and clicking like and thanking members who follow and following thousands of members so they can be followed back, are going to achieve the lower score. If that's the case, I could care less about RANK.

At some point, some different metrics could be used, or Activity Rank could be weighted less important than Helper / Creator ranking to remove the manipulation factor.

Personally, I plan to ignore RANK and just post quality comments, quality blog posts, and follow people who I think I can learn from. Eventually, just like the search engines, the metrics and weights of these things will change and the old tricks won't work any more.

You just can't go wrong with quality and substance.
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acebh Premium
True, the credits are just for SiteFeedback / SiteComments. But I think she meant there was some type of incentive for welcoming new members. Which, there is AFAIK. But I'm new here so don't know exactly how much profile comments / welcome messages count toward Activity Ranking.
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LynneHuy Premium
Nope actually those comments were genuine welcomes! I know it feels a bit crazy when you first go Premium with all the welcoming. It can feel a bit overwhelming....

What I am referring to is something completely different. This is the site comment feature where members can leave comments on each others' external websites!

You can find that here: https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/websites/comments

This is a really useful feature that creates engagement on your website and helps to rank your website higher.

Members can either comment on other member's websites to gain credits which can be used to get comments on your own websites, and members can also earn money through cashing in credits rather than using them for comments.
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LynneHuy Premium
Oh yes it does affect your rank but rank does not equal money :)
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LynneHuy Premium
Yes profile comments and welcoming members does count towards activity and that counts towards your rank in the end... but of course rank does not earn you an income.

I do actually believe that your WA rank can benefit you, but that is another topic entirely.

I've done a tutorial on that too: And in case you want to rank here, here is some training for that too: However I don't focus on ranking here, I focus only on creating quality content every now and then and helping others when I have a spare moment which is not that often lately :)
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acebh Premium
True. Until you're in the TOP200 and start looking like an authority. That gets you followers, since most people figure anyone in those lists has some idea of what they're doing and is someone to watch. Staying there for a length of time may in fact cause your new referrals to see you there, figure you've got the answers they need and sign-up for Premium.

In essence, ranking high to be part of those top lists builds trusts, which is going to equal money. I have no doubt, just like on Facebook or anywhere else, there's going to be a certain amount of people going the way of "fake it till you make it." If you can quickly manipulate your way to a TOP200 list, that can be part of the overall strategy.

Success is just having enough people trust you and want to buy your product or buy through you. There's quicker paths some people will take advantage of in order to achieve that. Will they stay there long-term, without quality content or honestly wanting to help people? Hard to say.. but there's plenty of people to draw-in in the meantime.
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LynneHuy Premium
Yeah I've seen people in the top few that have done it through just commenting all over the place and being involved in everything.... one word answers dotted all over WA :)

But in the end the true ambassadors always shine through.
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Hudson Premium
This is a great post and gave me value because I had not considered the effect I might have with a short comment. You make good points, I am just not sure how you can improve the quality of comments from the mix of people who look at our websites. Not everyone at WA will see this (your post above), and some readers will be non WA. This is no excuse just saying. This also relates to comments I make here at WA blogs where my comments can be short by I do try to be supportive to the writer. Not sure if this helps. It certainly has made me stop and think which is a good thing, but it can also have the opposite effect of making people nervous (me included) about what I say. We learn all the time that’s for sure.
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LynneHuy Premium
Being supportive here is great and it is amazing to get support from other members.

The problem is not a short comment, it is the actual content :) I would rather have a 10 word comment that offers great value than a 100 word comment of waffle that adds no value.
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Motly20 Premium
I agree with you. We are all working hard to produce quality articles and to get a comment that is just to get a credit, is so frustrating. It drives you mad. Thanks for the useful tips on how to start making your comments right and more full of content.
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LynneHuy Premium
It is a pleasure :)
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bestbizopp Premium
Lol, "thin useless blog comments" I had to laugh when I saw your title, that's par the course, i have had one line comments a few times which are worse than the examples you gave and I rejected those. I think people are generally in a hurry to build their sites etc and feel the speed at which they leave comments helps.....its a false economy of course but am sure it will continue as this is human nature, ann
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LynneHuy Premium
I believe the biggest problem is people trying to make money here through commenting and then they leave short, useless comments rather than take the time to do it properly.

The only way to get past it is to reject those useless comments.
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marchanna Premium
I can understand your frustration with this.

It really seems some of those commenters are not native English speakers and also have a limited understanding of English.

This can be a real problem because 1) they really don't understand the article very well in the first place and 2) they can't convey a coherent comment.

Even if they really made a genuine attempt to read your stuff!

I feel qualified to comment on this because I teach English online to students all over the world and I recognize this phenomena quite readily.

Not sure there is a solution to that problem because speaking English and conveying ideas well is not a requirement to use the commenting system.
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LesBlythe Premium
Agree with you on that one. It's a struggle if English is not your native tongue, or you speak it (write it) to a native level.

That said, it is about the quality of the comment for whatever reason I guess...
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LynneHuy Premium
Marc I can see your point but if someone cannot add value they should not be there. I have no problem with someone that is clearly not English making a typo in a comment, this happens in real life.

Anyone that wants to take part in site comments must put the effort in. I can see no attempt to add value to my blog. All I see are selfish attempts at gaining credits while wasting my time.
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marchanna Premium
I know what you mean. The problem is, they think they are! If my supposition is correct, they think they are doing what they need to do. I agree the results are useless for you.

Unfortunately there is no English test to participate in the comments area.
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DBlanchard Premium
I totally agree with you Lynne, They should not be there if they can't give value.

My impression is that some members are just here for the 50 cents and nothing else. They probably don't even work on their websites (or even have one). They are there all day and all night and grabbing every article that is available. I have seen many comments on my website from the same individual on different articles.

And to try to give a comment now is like winning the lottery, I've given up. I was able to comment on three articles in the last month!
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Helen123 Premium
Nice blog Lynne. I have become much more specific in what I expect with a comment. I am tired of adjusting them so now, if its clear to me they have not read what I have taken time and effort to create, I do not approve. They are not getting the benefit of their 2 minutes. Hope fully if more of us does this, we will get back to the good old days of decent comments.
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LynneHuy Premium
Exactly! If I need to edit the comments why not just go onto my blog and write my own comments and put a fake name down?

It is just not good enough for me.
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LesBlythe Premium
Yup, I'm rejecting a lot more comments now. It's obvious that some people are just not delivering value and are crashing through as many comments as they can as quickly as they can to earn cash or credits.

I also don't want to edit too much as I feel that's cheating to a certain extent.

I had a comment just the other day that said (paraphrased) "Everyone is writing the same stuff, it's not credible. However, just change this comment to what you want and publish it on your blog."

Obviously, I rejected it.

Glad to say I've never had a comment rejected :)
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LynneHuy Premium
ROFL Les that one takes the cake - I got to give that person something - at least it was original and not pretending to try. There is some honesty in that one hahaha.

For me personally I won't edit a comment. The effort must be put in and that's that for me.
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Juliako Premium
Hi,

Could you give us an example of a comment that you have accepted so we can see some good examples as well?

Thanks,

Julia
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LynneHuy Premium
Honestly I have not had one good enough to share lately and I am not going to be sifting through them. It has been a very poor display lately. I'm just not impressed!

Have a read through the training that I shared in the post, that will show you exactly how to go about writing a good comment.

It is not that hard just find one point to elaborate on and share that and give your opinion... the above examples are just plain shocking.
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Juliako Premium
After I wrote the above I went to one of your websites - and looked at some comments. That helped me see the difference.

All the best,

Julia
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LynneHuy Premium
Yes but even those were not good enough.... those were barely ok. I am not going to be accepting even those in future.

I'm just tired of having my time completely wasted.
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