Empower Network August Update

Last Update: August 07, 2013

Just a heads up for the fans of the ubiquitous Empower Network. One of the two friends I've mentioned in the past is having greater troubles due to her EN membership. It seems that ENv2, the newest incarnation of the EN scam, has launched its own video channel. She sees this as a massive positive, whereas it is, in fact, a necessary reaction by the two Davids to the fact that YouTube is toughening its stance on spammy rubbish. The trouble is, she's videod up to the eyeballs with nowhere to put them until the EN video channel is fully up and running. They've probably done her a favour because her videos are bordering on illegal, containing boasts like "I upgraded from the $25 membership to the $100 membership". No love, you didn't; you upgraded from the $25 membership to the $25 + $100 membership. That's $25 more than you're misleadingly telling everyone. Shame on you.

Never mind, she still has FaceBook to fall back on. Oh, wait, FaceBook seems to have banned her for 14 days from sending spam, I mean friend requests, because she sends them out in batches.

Fortunately she still has the testicular fortitude to carry on trying to flog the concept to all of her soon to be ex-friends, including a good mate of mine whom I'm about to phone... now!

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Paul Dean Premium
I've said it in my article on my site, but my main objection to EN is that the commissions come directly from the pockets of the downline. Generally speaking the people who are attracted to huge (alleged) money-making schemes are the people who can afford it least. Often they will borrow money to fund the progression through the EN products to give themselves the "best chance" of success. That borrowed money ends up in the hands of their upline.

Ethically, I would not want to run a business funded by other people's debt. Especially as we know that less than 1% will get their money back, let alone get rich.

The only debt I'll be happy with building my own business on (for example) would be somebody using their credit card to buy a £10 book from Amazon, because people often use that short term debt as a cashflow tool, paying their card off to zero monthly. But I couldn't sleep knowing that my £45,000 income was based on the debt of 9 people who had now put their marriages on the line. And I've seen that happen.
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caylynn Premium
Thanks for the update Paul. EN sickens me, Dave & Dave are big bullies.
Am saddened by those still in the clutches of their mind and money abuse.....
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skyhorse Premium
Yeah, I am just waiting for it all to crumble. So many people are going to be out of income, those that are making it of course. But there are some nasty people in EN. I'll share if you would like.
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caylynn Premium
No thank you. Seen them in the social discussions, argumentative and condescending.

Am content with the nice people here in the WA. But am sure ready to help them get out when they finally realize what they are not getting there and what they will have of their own here.
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skyhorse Premium
Yep, no kidding. They say things that put other people down, not lift them up. And then they think they are better then everyone else.
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mc7791 Premium
well, well, well. Looks like EN was the scam I thought it was after all. Thank you so much for this insightful article Paul. Im happy I didnt join. I have heard other people that have joined have made a lot of money but also those who have lost over $5000 and none of the people they brought in made any money either. To think Dave and Dave are also featured on the cover of either Money or Forbes magazine. Glad I am here
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AnnieB Premium
Hi Paul. I'm an ex EN member, so I'm not sure if I'm on the same wavelength. When I was with EN they brought out a video "programme" that you could put on your blog page. It cost $25/month, on top of anything else you were paying. Not for sale to potential prospects. It was introduced as another "goodie" to get because EN would never delete your videos. Well why would they, as they are part of your membership fees? I'm not sure if these could be uploaded to you tube or not though. That was about 2 months ago. Same video uploader as your friend has, or are EN up to something else?
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Paul Dean Premium
I've done a bit more digging. Yes, EN is charging you to host videos on your own blog at a cost of $25, $50 or $100 per month depending upon the bandwidth you want. ENv2was launched in Denver in July this year and the emphasis is strongly on self-hosting rather than linking to videos on YouTube, Vimeo etc. as these keep getting pulled, or "pimp-slapped" as one unhappy camper has termed it. And yes, this is an extra charge.

Ironically, the Double Daves used the Denver event as a platform to announce that YouTube has agreed to be kinder to them in future, so they're probably spitting feathers over the fact that ENv2 was devised and launched to get around the YouTube bans.

In addition, they've introduced a facility to have as many blogs as you'd like, feedable from a central source. This includes blogs hosted on your own domain. No indication of any extra charges yet. David Wood asked at the Denver conference if this would feed as many as 10 separate sites and was told there was no effective limit. Now, this is bound to lead to members using the multiple site feed to post a single article, leading to tons of duplicate content. This doesn't bother the EN upper echelon as they're already reducing the value of every member's site by posting identical content on every EN blog worldwide.

It looks very much as if the long term plan is to stick a middle finger up to FB, YouTube and, wait for it... WordPress, by providing the ultimate blogging tool, what with WordPress being so complex and difficult to understand an' all. I assume that's because someone at the top thinks that EN users aren't bright enough to cope with the 3-click installation and build we have here for FREE.

BTW, my friend has not only had her friend requests banned by FaceBook, but her PM system is blocked too. Apparently this is her second ban in as many months and she's starting to bleat about the possibility of a total, lifelong ban. What would she do then, she wails?

Fortunately, because WA teaches us and encourages us to be completely autonomous it's a fear we never have to face.
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AnnieB Premium
Thanks for replying Paul. As you can see EN is quite controversial here! I do hope your friend is not thinking of working up to coughing up the all in $5 125. Maybe she could contact her upline or one of the head honchos and ask them how to get around the FB problem. Assuming she is one of the lucky ones with an upline that gives a toss. You must be about to scream "get out now" at your friends. Send them here to read all this and see if that changes their minds!
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fxhans21 Premium
Now I can't help but think of the fact that the existence of EN in some respect helps fuel the growth of legit companies like WA. I'm not just talking about the amount of people who signed up with WA because they read negative reviews on EN and eventually found their way to WA (I was one of those people), but also how it generates discussions like this as Paul said and not to mention the fact that EN's practices provide us at WA with material to write about on our websites as reviews.
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Phil52 Premium
Well said!
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Paul Dean Premium
You're right, but I think it's important that whenever we talk about EN or any other get-rich-quick business out there, we talk about WA too. I feel in some senses it's a duty, not just to highlight the bad, but to offer the antidote too. I rarely get passionate about anything online to be honest, but the contrast between Wealthy Affiliate and other online money-making/helping/training schemes is huge. And I feel I'm allowed to be passionate and promote something which offers so much for so little. My personal ethics won't let me con people and I can recommend this place with a clear conscience.
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fxhans21 Premium
I agree with you Paul. I am happy to promote WA and warn people about scams and questionable programs out there with clear conscience. What I was trying to say is that even things like EN seem to have a place in the bigger scheme of things, it's like a part of the internet ecosystem which will always be there whether we like or not.
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Phil52 Premium
This mob will be just like "Zeek Rewards" in that they'll be crushed by the truth. They are a bunch of people who, if they're at the top of the pyramid, stand to make a lot of money at the expense of those beneath them. Zeek was shut down by US officials because it was deemed to be a ponzie scheme.

EN is shaping up/sounding like/looks like/smells like.... just the same scam in a different disguise. I feel for the people who lose money on this but hate the pricks at the top who don't give a damn about anyone below them. No, I didn't join EN because I came across Kyle's post on scams while researching EN. Zeek Rewards failed because they were a scam run by scammers, EN will suffer the same fate - eventually.
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Paul Dean Premium
I'm wondering whether this thread really ought to be upgraded to "Training" as it encompasses an important lesson when it come to writing to attract visitors. Generally speaking, everyone likes a pub fight, providing they're not in it.

JoshOnline was the first to make the point that this is a subject done to death on WA. He's probably right, but what he's helpfully done is provide a focus for defenders of the post to react against. I have absolutely no criticism of Josh (who I've never really spoken to) but I'd like to thank him. This thread is ranking No 2 in the top ten at the moment and Josh's comment sparked off a further 11 comments, for which I'm grateful.

So today's lesson is...

"Don't be afraid to have an opinion when you're writing"

In fact, having a controversial or polarising opinion can massively boost your visibility.

I'm now following JoshOnline because I see his point and partially agree with him, and we'll all produce better work if we're confident that it's going to get read, and it WILL get read if you can p*** someone off. At this point I need a smiley.

*Disclaimer: While it's a good idea to create tension, try to pick a subject which you feel the majority of readers will agree with, otherwise your house might get fire-bombed.
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bothewebguy Premium
I hope we didn't scare Josh off. It was not an attack on him. I agree with you Paul. generating a good 2 sided discussion really fuels the the traffic and exposure. This is a really good example.
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Scarlett1070 Premium
I only ended up here as I was looking at EN reviews just before I was about to sign up. I have a networking contact who is very high up the ladder at EN and have just received a cheque for $45k for 90 days work. They are lovely people with integrity and morals but I still can't see how they can make this much money without pushing people into sales and then pushing them to endlessly upgrade. I'm glad I didn't join. If it means I can hold my head up high and go to bed at night with a clear conscious, then I'm happier taking the slower/steadier route
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Paul Dean Premium
There's no doubt that the right people can make serious money. But like you I wonder what it takes to be the right person. Would I be happy knowing that my downline was probably riddled with people who are deeply in debt and that in some cases that borrowed money was sitting in my bank account? A hard businessman may not care, but most of us wouldn't like to make a living out of other people's desperation.
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fxhans21 Premium
Ok, here's LOL moment. I got two messages from the same person "Ramon Harewood" in the space of one minute on my website's getting started page and Askimet has classified it as SCAM. I guess this is because he has his EN blog in his signature. I decided to take a look at his EN blog, and boy it does not hold a candle to the quality of websites we as WA members have been able to generate. So it costs you $25/month for 1 blog hmmm? let's see how many websites can we get hosted by WA as even a free member? that's right, two! hold on if you became premium then it's UNLIMITED uh-duh! I almost feel sorry for EN guys and gals :)
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fxhans21 Premium
I almost joined EN on multiple occassions as they have these front end "leverage" systems like instant payday network to mask it and I was captivated by the two Davids' story how they made it from nothing to where they are. I just did not realise that they did it by being really pushy and aggressive without offering clear value. I found it really vague what people have to do in EN to make money, they have products but from what I've read the quality does not match with the price tags. Anyway, glad I never joined. Actually I may have to thank them because I was frustrated and that got me to look for genuine opportunities. I then came across pribs' website and that led me to WA!
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Paul Dean Premium
I looked at the EN blogs belonging to people here in the UK. The blogs are heavily populated with EN promotional posts like "A sale a day keeps poverty away" and "Get rid of limiting benefits". These articles can be tailored to add a little bit of "you" but are essentially ads for EN. Unfortunately, they're very American in tone, not a problem in itself, but they read oddly on an English writers page and leave little room for any other promotional work.
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rickhampton Premium
Last night, a new friend on facebook sent me an email with a link to a video that he wanted me to watch. I quickly recognized it as an EN video and I opted out of the aWeber email list that he had enrolled me. After I had unsubscribed, I received 6 additional emails from him within the next hour. I sent him a nice note on facebook chat that explained my not wanting to report him for spam... and the emails have since stopped. Instead of those additional emails changing my opinion about EN, they just confirmed what I already knew!
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Phil52 Premium
Well done Rick!
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Success Inc Premium
Yes EN is definitely not the way to go. I had a friend who tried to get me to join a program called "Instant PayDay Network". I turned him down even though it is free to join. I later found out that it is associated with EN. A month later that same friend found some other opportunity called "Wake Up Now". It seems like a decent program but it doesn't compare to WA!
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uakoko Premium
Hi, Paul---What a good writer you are! I would be laughing except I feel so sorry for your friend---She has MEGA-scales covering her eyes, poor thing--- Please. keep us posted?!
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Jenna7 Premium
Just wanted to add my 2 cents.

EN is what led me to Wealthy Affiliate, rofl. I was a click away from sending them money,but I felt weird. So I looked them up and found myself on a scam page, and it led to WA.

It makes me wonder what kind of effect the scammers' (in any area of life)methods have on your subconscious or just mindset, because I still have the picture of the two Davids in my mind! :( So they know how to prey/play on the human mind/emotions instead of helping someone.

They were sitting in front of a pool, smooth talking about how they would set up your blog site or something like that, they would run if for you and all you had to do was write on it regularly. And one of the Davids was twirling some $200 or $700 dollar pen in his hand while he talked. And he kept mentioning this pen-no idea why-but it just shows where his values are I guess.

Hi goingforgold, EN is a program/scam where you 'buy' your blog from them. They run it/own it but you just write on it and promote EN. I think. Someone more knowledgeable please clarify that......if you don't mind/thanks ;P Hope that kind of makes sense.
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Jenna7 Premium
Also, I don't like to judge people I don't know, but the whole EN thing is just weird. I go by feelings/senses a lot, and it just felt sales pushy etc/whatever. I don't like selling-which is crazy because I am on an Affiliate Marketing website? Lol. But WA did not try to 'sell' it. I was offered to try it out and left alone, unless I had a question. :)

And Paul or anyone, isn't one of the EN guys living in Costa Rica to get away from the Federal Trade Commission? What is up with that?
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goingforgold Premium
What is this EN thing? I'm reading all your statements and I'm certainly glad I DON"T know who these people are. And much more grateful that I'm concentrating all my time on WA.
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Joemuse Premium
Well I have admittedly been smacked with the EN Mallet. I spent $625 and got some decent value but only out of that $500 upgrade. The training seemed as if it was directed at the people that was actually there, not the people looking at the webinar :/. What turned me off is that of course you're constantly pushed to buy buy BUY BUY BUY BUY. Then someone counters it with "Well what am I buying?" They're like "Um...uh....well..you see...ergh......uhhhmmm......Blogging Platform?....Uh.....Inspiration!!". It's not very clear at all. The only way to be in touch with the community is to be literally at the events. I'm sorry but not everyone can spend over $500 and fly all the way over there on a whim just to be told what you can search on google....
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bobd53 Premium
I just Cancelled my membership when will I learn? :(
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JoshOnline Premium
For the record, I hate EN as much as the next guy.. But I don't understand why people here waste so much of their time talking about it. Chat, blogs, you name it. Can't step in one day and not have to read about it.
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Paul Dean Premium
Yet here you are talking about it ;-) Infectious innit?
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JoshOnline Premium
I suppose it is :)

It's just odd because there are a lot of scams in this world, online and offline, yet that one really strikes a nerve for the folks here at WA.
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bothewebguy Premium
Hey Josh, How do you define a waste of time? I think the majority of people that talk about it here and their blogs is to drive people here to join WA . They can learn a better way to make money from the web. A well written, planned blog post on WA can show up on page 1 of G Search very quickly. The author gets credit for generating the traffic unit and will get the referral if they person signs up. I know some of my posts have been written to generate sign-ups. This action has been been working for me ;-)
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betcha Premium
Hey Josh. I think it's good to get some lessons from other people's experience. A lot of people don't know about scams and we don't want them to fall into the money pits. So, a public service like this will help save others their valued, hard-earned money in search for a legitimate online business. This serves as a review and an informative exchange of experiences to confirm that EN is indeed a scam. I for one read a lot so that I will not be innocent and ignorant of what's going on around the internet because this is a scary world for me as I don't know most of the people I deal with. Anyway, just my thoughts.
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healthywendy Premium
Well at least it's warning people
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JoshOnline Premium
I get all your points, and I DO hate EN. Just seems like beating a dead horse. Crucify me if you'd like.
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betcha Premium
EN is not dead...it's so well alive and kicking, coming out in different forms looking around whom to deceive and devour. We have to be vigilant and keep warning others about it even if we have to say it over and over again.
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davidknight Premium
I hear you Josh, but I was led here from researching on EN and I would not have figured out other things as well. The red flag of the continual upsell, even though it is a common technique in this case was very tough. Lots of fluff is what I found inside and no meat. :) I am glad I was only in for $25.
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@RICH. Premium
Hey Josh. There's naturally a lot of interest in EN especially from the hundreds of Members doing Bootcamp at any one time http://d.pr/i/t2Ik as Kyle's example site review often outranks EN's actual site. We obviously get "refugees" and even "defenders" arrive here every day, so there's naturally a number of old-hands and newcomers who've been scammed either by EN or by other promises of golden geese that turned out to be rancid turkeys and who want to share their experiences or warn others. I know two people here in the UK, one lost over $30k and a mate-of-a-mate killed himself after losing his family home to a spread betting scam. EN doesn't just cost people money, often they're encouraged to rope in family, friends and even work colleagues who also subsequently lose money, destroying those relationships. EN can do a lot more damage than just emptying someone's wallet. Rich.
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skyhorse Premium
Hey, thanks for letting us know. I would love to be kept updated and i had heard about something new coming up and now I know what it is.

And I love how you point out about upgrading to the $100 membership. She makes it sound like you just pay $100 and not $125 which is in fact the real amount. I always thought the same thing when people would promote it for $25. No, it's not $25 a month, its $45. Now they aren't lying but they are telling the whole truth and that's the problem. Glad you shared!!!!
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jlramsdell81 Premium
Thanks Paul, great information!! I was once in EN and hated it because I couldn't get any training at all and every time I contacted my sponsor he just sent me other emails telling me that if I wanted to learn then I would have to upgrade and upgrade and upgrade. The only learning I could get was them talking about their company and saying if you are not upgrading then you are a wussy. That made me a bit mad so I went to another company but it was too expensive so I stayed a while and the only learning I could get was about their site. I was sick of everyone trying to get into my wallet and that is when I found this site and told that other site goodbye. I am very happy with this site and plan on being here for years to come.
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Paul Dean Premium
Somebody said to me that I could find everything here on WA for free elsewhere if I looked. That may be the case, but as I intend being dead before I reach 110 I may never find it. This place fits nicely in my "what's not to like" category. Besides, I'm sure I wouldn't find the community spirit elsewhere and a LOT of the stuff you find as a Premium member really isn't that easy to find "outside" at all.
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betcha Premium
It's the spirit that keeps us together! yeah! It's all here @ Wealthy Affiliate.
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Cured Premium
Like you I was told to upgrade or be a wussy. I to was thinking of getting out when I found WA. Thank you Paul for the assurance that EN may not be the best place to be now I feel much better about my decision to abort from EN. Also thanks to Josh and others with comments on EN. to our success, Victor
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jvalicenti Premium
Paul, thanks for the update. I guess SCAMS are everywhere...
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christine2 Premium
Gosh, it is so difficult for a newbie like me to discern what EN is up to . They got a good write up and I almost joined them, had them on my to do list, then I found WA, joined as a free member and liked the way their teaching is so structured. I need teaching as I am completely new to IM and will take whatever I can get, provided its legal and ethical.
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techhound Premium
Hey Christine,

My advice as someone who has been down the MLM path is to stay away from any of them. I hear EN is especially aggressive in their tactics. You have everything you need to make successful business here at WA provided you are willing to put in the work. My suggestion before you buy any other program is to shoot us a blog post and let people tell you the reasons not to join. Remember, every dollar spent on some useless shiny object is a dollar less that you can use to promote your legitimate WA business.

Best Regards,
Jim
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christine2 Premium
yes, I know and I am glad I did not join them, I am with WA for my 4th week and upgraded to premium quickly. I appreciate every bit of training I am getting here, don't misunderstand my comment. I appreciate your advice to get reviews and comments from WA members.
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@RICH. Premium
If it wasn't so tragic it'd be hilarious. I always love their press release headlines, ie. "Empower Network Sponsors 100,000 Homes" sounds fab, huh? http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/empower-network-sponsors-100000-homes-217812931.html Except 100,000 Homes is the name of the charity that they gave a measly $10k to out of their millions-and-millions of instant earnings that even a 12-year-old kid is apparently easily capable of making, unless of course he's a complete "wussy". I saw a clip the other week where a journalist from the Village Voice stated EN is "working" out of offices owned by Scientology in Florida, even though they're actually holed up in Costa Rica. You couldn't make it up, huh?! Rich.
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Paul Dean Premium
Thankfully we don't have to make it up. All this writing material for FREE eh? It's almost a public service.
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@RICH. Premium
LOL
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AnnieB Premium
Oh Rich, your remarks crack me up at times. You know what's even funnier. Some day they might make a TV series out of all this. We'll probably be 20 years older and saying to the grandchildren "I remember them when..." Now that'd have to be a comedy drama :)
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Rebbak Premium
Doesn't sound like a friend to me if they are spamming and scamming.
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davidknight Premium
It's a fine line a MLM person walks. No doubt. Thanks for the input on EN.
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