Hiring a Writer Course - I Need Your Help!

Last Update: October 19, 2018

A couple of hours ago, I've just posted a question asking if anyone is interested to hire a writer and want to discover the secrets of how I hired a quality Full-Time writer at just $400/month:

https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/authoring-writing-content/an...

I received lots of response so I'll go ahead to prepare the course for you guys.

I already have a course outline but I'm just curious to know if there are any particular questions you have regarding outsourcing content/hiring a writer...

So, let me know in the comments below what are the most burning questions you have in your mind with regards to hiring a full-time writer for your website👨🏻‍💻

I'll try to answer as many questions in the course as possible!

Please go ahead and ask questions. Let me know what you want to know about outsourcing👇🏻👇🏻

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terri2018 Premium
Thankful to be following you and reading few of your posts give encouragement to many including myself. I just came on board recently with WA and still taking the training courses. I've noted to take your 'Hiring a Writer Course' at a later time/when I am ready for it! Btw, I've heard good reviews from a family member -a business owner in the U.S., who outsources 2 of her employees (I believe through onlinejobs.ph too).

Congratulations Jerry! Your hard work has finally paid off!
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JerryHuang Premium
Thank you Terri! I'm glad my contents are helpful to you. Keep hustling!
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pginise Premium
Hi Jerry,

1. I would like to know what writing services you are submitting your job proposal too.
2. I would like to see your initial job proposal write up description and what sort of requirements and questions you supplied.
3. I would like to know how you narrowed down your list of initial applicants and how you chose the applicants to move forward with.
4. I would like to know more about your interview process and how you conducted it.
5. I would like to know more about your training process and how you communicate with your writers.

Thanks again Jerry. Keep up the great work.

Patrick
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JerryHuang Premium
Thanks Patrick! Those will be answered in the training :)
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dragonfly10 Premium
Jerry, I apologize I thought you were going to teach a course on writing. I am not intending on hiring a ghostwriter. If due to illness or not being able to take care of my sit for some reason, I would go to one of our local colleges and ask for help from one of their top students or for a teacher's assistance. They need the money, and I would help someone in my community. I already have my son working with just such a person, He is writing a book, On the plight of homeless children.
Again I apologize for my mix up.
Sandy
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JerryHuang Premium
No worries Sandy. I’m not teaching to hire ghost writer though. Ghost writer is different from a full time writer for your website. You can try delegating to students in your community. But my main purpose here is to hire people who can work for you full time and really scale your business to the next level.
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dragonfly10 Premium
I understand, best of luck to you and all your endeavors
Sandy
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MikaelM Premium
I have tried freelance portals, but it is difficult to find good quality and the same writer.

So I would be interested in knowing where you found someone you can work with where it is the same person so you can get quality. And for that price I would love starting to reinvest some of my earnings.

So mostly about where and then the process and getting it all started with a permanent agreement.

Thanks,
Mikael
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JerryHuang Premium
Thanks Mikael! Will cover that in the course :)
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MikaelM Premium
amazing:-)
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newmarketpro Premium
Hi Jerry,
Thank you for posting this. Here are some of my questions, hopefully you can cover in your training:
- how to calculate the price e.g. per article,
- 400/month may not be affordable deal for everyone. Do you have alternative.
- Do you need a contract or terms and condition?
- How will the payment be disbursed - one payment or per completed job?

I have asked a lot. Stop now:)

Joe
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JerryHuang Premium
Thanks Joe! Will answer them in the course :)
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derekmarshal Premium
Jerry,

From my own experience, you are far better to hire much more writers than you actually need. If you need 1, hire 3!.

If a particularly great writer lets you down, late with work or under performing in terms of quality. or just wants time off for whatever reason you have back up writers to allocate the work to.

For me, it takes me about 3 months on average to find a quality writer and when one plays up (or did in my case!) it affects your site.

And then that new writer you have to train to your style and expectations.

I have found, far better results and only a bit more expensive when you hire a competent VA.

And just for the record, a native writer is not necessarily better than a non-native. Sure there will be some grammar to fix
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JerryHuang Premium
Thanks for sharing your experience Derek!

For me, I managed to find my writer within a week and it's one of the best writers I could ever ask for.

I may be lucky but there are skills we can all learn to find and filter potential candidates before hiring.

I'll share more in the course :)
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AlanJE Premium
Hi Jerry, Wouldn´t it be difficult to find one writer with all the expertise which you need. I suppose it depends on what you need from them and how well you know their capabilities. To me, it would be a big risk to hire someone for the first time unless I had read some of their previous work and got an idea of their capabilities being suitable for me, Best Alan
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JerryHuang Premium
That's exactly what I'll be teaching you in the course :)
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JosonInc Premium
Hiring writers is nothing new. But finding the writer to fit our needs will take some major screening and testing stages I suppose. There will be lucky hits like finding great writers in a short time but I think the norm will be...trial and error, pick those who fit the job best.

Joe
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JerryHuang Premium
That's why there are specific interviewing skills you can learn to filter your applicants and identify the right person. I'll share more in the course :)
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PMbaluka Premium
How does this hired writer get in tune with the rest of your website content? Unifying the entire content I think is one of the key items to high ranking and as well providing accurate solutions to the problem(s) you are solving in your niche.

I wonder how possible is it to get such a person or does it involve paying him for the time he spends reading through your website to have a synopsis of your style?

If I allow someone to access my website for familiarization, does that mean that am surrendering my password to a stranger giving him my Admin rights?
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JerryHuang Premium
Great questions. Noted!
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Crazyhaggis Premium
Having used a few different freelance writers I finally settled on one who can follow the brief with outlines I send them. I think it’s important to find someone who can write in the style you like, and who can write in a readable and engaging style. My question would be, how do you find that person?
With me it was a matter of trial and error. You need to ask for some examples of their writing style as a first step. It also helps if they have written articles in your niche or a similar one before. Again, how do you find them? Is their a short cut to finding them, other than by trial and error?
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JerryHuang Premium
Good questions. I'll answer that in the course :)
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JBpresswork Premium
Before I got into this I dabbled in the Kindle writing business (unsuccessfully) and I learned a few sources of where to find writers but I never found any worthwhile. I had a few books written and a few articles but most of them needed rewriting or some work.

It's hard to find that balance of well-priced writing and quality work. From my experience with you so far Jerry you seem to be very helpful and straightforward.

I look forward to what you come up with and I may be able to dig up some old sources if you want.
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JerryHuang Premium
Gotcha! Thanks Justin!
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IntroVent Premium
When you hire a writer doesn't that diminish your pride in the website you've developed?

Seems like you've created a way to lose money with your website. Aren't we trying to make money here?

For my niche I imagine I could go down to the community college and find a student studying most of what i write about. For that student to spend 30 minutes typing out 1000 words off the top of their head (even at my slow 40wpm, I could do that) for 20-30 bucks is reasonable, but if you're asking for a research piece, that's not going to do it.

Will each article ever earn what you've paid for it.

I hired an artist once. She maintained the rights to the art I bought. Of course for a higher price I could buy those too. But I only needed limited rights to the art.

You would have to hire inexperienced writers who don't care to maintain any control over their material, otherwise you wouldn't be able to afford them.

Then again, if I develop my outline, titles and all, I could just go on five and hire 4 people to write 200 word pieces. I'd just add the intro and conclusion. I suppose it could be done like that.
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JerryHuang Premium
Thanks for the questions. You'll get your answers in my course :)
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JerryMcCoy Premium
You have a very good opportunity to hire a full time writer here with those who are wanting to get more experience writing content and making it to fit your exacting expectations. However, if they cover all the material that you want but put in a different format to what your expectations are and both are good articles from your point of view. Would you be willing to look at what they have written with an unbiased eye. They will have done what you asked but their thought processes will not be the same as your own.
Jerry
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JerryHuang Premium
That's why constant training and feedback is the key. I'll share more about this in the course :)
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J-KWest Premium
A little off topic, but an opportunity to share a funny story. I hired a writer to write an article about blockchain technology...
I got an article about chain blocks. 😂 It was a great article, but I wasn't looking for a post about hoisting heavy objects.

Anyway... just thought I'd share my hire-a-writer story, lol.

Really looking forward to your course too 😊

As far a questions, anything you can share about screening questions would be awesome.

Thanks,
Jay
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JerryHuang Premium
Haha, alright thanks Jay!
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Stella741 Premium
Hi there,

I met someone in church who introduced me to a former accountant who has been educating people in Bitcoin etc and how to trade with it.

And be an affiliate marketer of his education program on digital finance.

It is a brilliant niche and my market will be geared towards people who really want to understand and implement Bitcoin, etc technology.

I will be doing all the writing myself, because I KNOW anyone who who I hire as a writer, once they understand it, will realise they can make a lot more money with Bitcoin education, trading and affiliation than writing!

They will either want to be an affiliate too or sack me!
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bmark Premium
Jerry

Did you give them instructions on how you like your content written? I ask because I too am looking for a writer but I'm not just looking for a writer that just puts words on a page. Its hard to find writers that are engaging and connect with the visitor.
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JerryHuang Premium
Yup, I'm also very particular about the quality of the content myself. So, rest assure that will be covered in the course :)
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YanFellow Premium
1. My articles are at least 2K, usually 3-4+K. You can't simply rehash that amount of content so I need someone who understands my niche and can write both creatively and authoritatively within it.

2. They may be full time but how many words will they produce in a month? If they don't do it, how does that affect payment?

3. How does the contract/agreement work? You pay in advance or in arrears? Is there a contract? Are they contracte for so-many words/articles?

4. How do you go about the initial 'testing' period where you see if a writer is a good fit or not?

5. At these rates, they obviously aren't native English speakers. How clean is their copy likely to be and how much editing are you going to have to do on it? I'm afraid I am incredibly fussy and my own articles are top notch :-) I don't want to compromise on quality.

Thanks,
Ian
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Lasting Premium
I have done contract writing for the last 2yrs. If I was your writer, I would want to have more than a few conversations with you to discuss what you expect to get for your money.

Tone, Style, and Concept for your site all come into play. I'd need to take a look at any examples you might have and even write a few for you to check out so we can get on the same page.

If you were willing to pay an expert writer to research and write 4k word articles. I can tell you it wouldn't be cheap. But if you wanted someone dedicated you would want to pay them well anyway.

Not to mention you must be flexible and allow for the occasional mistake, everyone makes them. Regardless, if you have a good writer, that person is going to want to make you happy as a customer. Even if it cuts into their earnings to do so.

-Steve
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JerryHuang Premium
Thanks Ian. Great questions. Just to let you know, I'm very particular about the quality of my contents on my site as well. So, rest assured that those will be covered in the course :)
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YanFellow Premium
Hi Steve - thanks for your comments and insight. I was (and still am) a professional writer (although not in my current niche) and I have developed a style and a quality (sort of :-) ) but my main concern is getting quality in long articles.

I wouldn't object to a different style (mine is very colloquial) but I think you need a degree of 'entertainment' in your writing to hold a reader for 2+K words :-) Dry will not cut it. Any writer can check out my site to see the sort of material and detail I'd like.

I can totally appreciate that it may not be cheap and, if I go down this path, I do wonder if it would be viable.

Thanks again.
Ian
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Biene14 Premium
i would like to know your thoughts on when to start thinking about hiring someone. 400 a month is quite a bit if your site earns nothing. or is it worthwhile to get yourself established quickly
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kimwolfe Premium
Depends on how you look at it. $20 per post for 20 posts a month is actually a really good deal. Yes, understand hard to pay for it if no money is coming in but you will likely pay more per post for freelancing.
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Lasting Premium
As an Expert Contract Writer on HireWriters I get paid $9.00 for every 350 words I write for my top client. If the basic length that everyone here wants is 1000 words, my charge would be upwards of $27.

My point is that I agree with you Kim, $20 is cheap for a 1000 word article.

-Steve
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JerryHuang Premium
Yup, that's a good question. I'll talk about that :)
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Hollshope Premium
I'm looking forward to your course. When you hire a writer, is the article ready to go as is or will I need to edit it.
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JerryHuang Premium
Great question! Thanks Holly!
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ramr50 Premium
Hi Jerry, I would like to see how you get a writer to write for you on a regular basis. All of the sites I have been on are writers that do articles on a one time basis, or they charge their fee based on a 500 word article and when you ask them to do 1500 to 2000 word articles, they just come back and say " I charge $xx for 500 words and thats that".

so, how you get them to do the work on a regular basis is where I would be interested in learning.
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Lasting Premium
HaHa, I could have been one of those writers. I generally get paid $9.00 for every 350-word article I write on HireWriters and have been writing for the same clients for over 2yrs.
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ramr50 Premium
Ya, but in reality a 350 article would be worthless for me
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JerryHuang Premium
Yup, that will be cover in the course so don't worry. Thank you!
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jlclayton1 Premium
My biggest question is how much editing should you expect to do after receiving the article from your writer?

I know that no writer is going to give you exactly what you would've written and there is going to be a period of time when you'll be giving quite a bit of feedback until you're both on the same page. But how much editing is reasonable when hiring a writer?

Looking forward to the training!
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Lasting Premium
As a contract writer, I'd expect a client to work with me until I learn what they want. To me, you can be as picky as you want, it is your website I'm writing for after all. However, if you don't explain to me what you want: tone, content, SEO Keyword placement, etc... I can't do much for ya.
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jlclayton1 Premium
I appreciate the advice!

Janelle
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JerryHuang Premium
Great question. I'll cover that in the course :)
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Mubs1 Premium
I'm concerned that if i make them an admin on my website, they will steal or delete stuff.
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jlclayton1 Premium
You have the option of adding someone as a contributor, so you wouldn't need to give them the privileges as an admin user.
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JerryHuang Premium
That's right! I'll share more about this in the course as well!
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bigrog44 Premium
Thanks for sharing, Jerry.
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JerryHuang Premium
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JKulk1 Premium
I'd be extremely interested Jerry. I outsourced to a writer once. What a horrible experience it was. I ended up going through several writer's for one article. In the end I wrote the article myself. Jim
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queenredgie Premium
Pretty much my experience as well. Just made the whole thing sooo stressful.
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JerryHuang Premium
Don't worry! You'll learn how to find the most suitable writer for you at an affordable price :)
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JerryHuang Premium
Don't worry Ann! I'll teach you :)
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kimwolfe Premium
My questions are all the "how to execute" questions.

I've had one outsourcing experience for creative on Envato. And it was absolutely horrible. The final output of what I got vs. what his "portfolio" examples did not compare. I even wrote very thorough design info of what I wanted. And it was like he only got 25% of what I wrote down. What you said about detail was absolutely true with my experience.

So for hiring a writer, (I like the idea of full-time...):

What source did you use to find your writer?
How did you narrow down to a few test writers? What criteria to use / look for?
How did you get writer to agree with great cost: ($400 / 20 posts = $20 a posts.)
How did you create the training for writer? PDF, video tutorials?
Do you have some written agreement / contract with writer for how long you pay him / or ways to release him if it doesn't work?
Tips on building a lasting partnership with writer the benefits both sides.

Thanks!

Kim
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Zarina Premium
Excellent questions Kim.

@Jerry

- How to prepare any documents for tax purposes?
- How to know if ESL writers are good?

I mean for me English is also a second language, but I've lived in Canada since I was 14 and went through high school and university here... what about those who don't live in the English-speaking countries?
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YanFellow Premium
Yes, great Qs.
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kimwolfe Premium
Also great questions Zarina...
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JerryHuang Premium
Those are great questions Kim. They're definitely going to be covered in the course. Thank you!
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JerryHuang Premium
Noted!
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kimwolfe Premium
Awesome! Can’t wait Jerry!
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HuyNLe1989 Premium
Like Candp said coming up with how much to pay is a start. But I am curious just as to how it all works like do I give them limited access to write the post, or how would you get the articles and prep them to be posted. And with hiring a writer do you still post it as if you wrote it?
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kimwolfe Premium
Great questions. Interested in those too.
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JerryHuang Premium
Thanks for the questions. Noted!
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CandP Premium
Well, we would be curious how you came up with a figure of $400 for a full-time writer. What constitutes "full time"?
We are sure you will cover it in depth. We have read you and know how thorough you are.
Really looking forward to it and so much appreciate your doing this.
Colette and Philip
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Lasting Premium
If you think about it, $400 is not much. Take $20 an article x 1000 words. That's $0.02 cents per word. Let's say it takes an hour for research and an hour to write the article. It leaves the writer at $10 an hour, which is below minimum wage here in CO.

As a contract writer, I generally get $27 - $28 per 1000 words. That's only $0.028 cents per word, but roughly $14 an hour. If you want a rewrite, that $14 an hour can easily turn into far less.

So, as a writer, it is especially important to communicate with your clients well. Making sure to deliver the type of content they want vs something you can just throw together.

-Steve
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JerryHuang Premium
Hey CandP, thanks for your question. Will definitely answer them in the course :)
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JerryHuang Premium
Hey Steve,

I'm not hiring writer on a freelance basis. I'm hiring on full-time basis. So I don't pay by word count.

I hire from Philippines so $400/month is a good amount of money for their living in Philippines.

Different scenario from what you're talking about.

Will share how to do that in the course.

I'm definitely not underpaying them :)
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