About MozMary
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Hello there,

My name is Mary. I've been with WA for 3 years. Not all of that time was spent working on my websites because for a while I was very ill, but even then I learned a huge amount just by being on the platform, reading, interacting, going through the training, immersed in the atmosphere. And experimenting with websites even just a little bit was enough to gain me some returns and has left me with free membership here today.

I had been very interested in getting online before I found WA, I had taken a number of courses including Brendon Burchard's Experts Academy [took the free trial and returned it to him, ty] and was led to believe it would cost thousands of dollars to get online. Then I saw a review of EA by Nathaniell that made me laugh because Nat had summed that guy up very quickly and cut through the bs and introduced me to WA, which I soon discovered allowed me to get online professionally and easily and costs nothing really, by comparison.

Regarding my username, I had no idea about the 'other' Moz out there when I chose this as my WA username. So I was blown away when I discovered the coincidence and like to see it as a sign of great future online success :D

In the end I modified it to MozMary so people wouldn't confuse it with the brand name Moz when I make comments in here, though I have uploaded some pics to show there were Mary Moz's around in the 1940s!

The pics on the profile are of the forest beside me, so when I go for a walk that is the beautiful view. It is Lough Key Forest, Ireland. And my new profile pic shows a cat walking on a stairs, but is it going up or going down? :)

WA has the best online resources for training and optimized high end hosting and at the best price, and as someone who hadn't been earning for a few years due to illness I really appreciate the opportunity that Kyle and Carson provide to everyone in here, equally. There is no big financial outlay and no upsells that I have to buy into 'in order to make it', I have the chance I need right now.

You will notice I complain about the rank system from time to time. Some people get obsessed with their WA rank and post a lot of material on the platform just to boost their rank - it's called gaming the rank system. It means some people of high rank in here don't know anything at all about the platform or training, they are just active, while other people of high rank [and low rank] really know a lot and are a-maz-ing. So don't believe high rank is important, right now it just reflects how active a person is. You will soon find out who knows their stuff, a bit like everywhere in life :)

Best wishes and enjoy the training, you now have access to the best resources for building a website and business online.
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Update July 15th, 2017:
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I congratulate people on their real success in their websites and online ventures that produce results, their wins in learning and their page rankings in google and the SERPs but NOT any in-house rank games in the community.

**I'm not going to tell you WA rank is important or support any silly blogs calling mere facebook-type activity a 'success'.**

**True success is you succeeding online, the reason you join WA in the first place.**

**Don't forget why you joined an affiliate marketing training platform with high end managed Wordpress hosting!**


btw, I had a life before WA, several degrees, first class honors, double and triple firsts at university level, setting several records, full research scholarships, real universities, real success - and the secret to high success includes knowing the difference between merely being 'busy' and actually being 'productive'.

Medical error nearly killed me some years back, and so I got knocked to the bottom of the food chain. Iatrogenic death is actually the #1 killer today, not cancer or heart disease, now THAT is a reason to have a blog ;)

It took time to crawl out of the medical bin, and having survived against the odds I just don't have the patience for bs, and yes you'll have to wade through it at times in here, but I'm here for the resources, and I encourage you to focus on them too.
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JJordie Premium
It is nice to see someone who is making their website work for them. Lets us know we are all on the right track. What I would like to ask you is this. I started to fill in the registration for Health Talks Online for the Affiliate Program. It started to talk about a website that I was required to maintain it. The website was not their responsibility. Which is fine but what confused me was am I using my website which in the beginning I thought I was or is it one they give out, which I build and maintain during the time of their summit. Also I have to take down all the content matter that I put together in a blog once the summit is over.

They also asked for a company name. I don't have a company.

I realize I am asking a lot but would be kind enough to enlighten me as to the procedure of this for I have not registered with any summit events as of yet.

Thank you for all your help and information.
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MozMary Premium
it's about getting affiliate links, you use your own website or social media, certainly not theirs

I'm not sure what content you refer to - they have what they call optional 'copy' for people doing email launches but we are free to use it or ignore it. We don't have to use any of their material. You are free to write reviews on the speakers any way you like, for or against.

As for company name, you could put anything at all there, it won't matter. The important thing will be your paypal address for payment.
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pereirasteph Premium
Hi MozMay, thank you for your answer. It honestly was helpful. Would be good to keep in touch with you and learn from you as time goes by. You are like a role model to me - cause in 3 years I would love to be where you are.

I do have questions in terms of how you grew so fast and what were the challenges you faced as time went by?
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MozMary Premium
Hi, remember to master the training, take each lesson and don't skip any or you may miss something important.

This platform is very good at SEO, which is what you need.

As for 'rank', don't confuse rank inside WA with rank in google, it is the rank of your posts and pages in google that is the important thing and that will require working on your website consistently.
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Urolin1981 Premium
Hi! MozMary,
I just went through your profile again, and I am impressed and inspired by what and how you have gone through to the current phase of life.

I definitely agreed that iatrogenic death is #1 killer since iatrogenic disorders contribute to professional burden and income of medical practice, yet which most of them can be prevented if following the suggestion/instruction as described in How to Handle Sickness on http://formefirst.com/onDealSickness.html. In reality, the care as outlined has not been followed by many, even most, professionals due to falling victim to political correctness and commercialism.

Your revealing personal 4-year activities in WA carries a significant load of reassurance which is helpful and important for the WA newbies like me of only two years old in it.

Oh! I just sent you a private message in response to your inquiry 4 days ago. I am ready to do the hard work so to welcome another phase of success in life after retirement under "doctorpreneurship" as you coined it.

Please let me know who and what we can work together. You may reach at realinct2002@yahoo.com or a call at 734-846-2699; I live in Ann Arbor, Michigan since 1976.

Sincerely yours,


Urolin1981
Chin-Ti Lin, M.D.
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MozMary Premium
Hi, I have not received you private message, thanks for your contact details, I will be in touch.
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ColleenLVSJC Premium
Hi... I have followed you, but was looking at your Profile page again after you helped me in the chat room today. Love what you say in your profile! I've looked at Brendon Burchard's programs and the programs of many others. Am very grateful for WA and intend to make it work for me!

Hate that you've dealt with iatrogenic-related challenges. That is huge! So glad you pulled through and can now blog about it. There's a lot to blog about regarding that topic. Thanks for your help today and for keeping it real! :)
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MozMary Premium
Thanks for the kind words Colleen!

Nice to meet you, and every success to you with the resources here. Glad you found them and didn't get ripped off or have to listen to anymore of those endless hours of Burchard videos [!] :)
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ColleenLVSJC Premium
Oh, that's too funny!!!! I think he's cut back on the length of his videos and live trainings. They were soooooo long!

I had actually signed up with another group to do something similar to WA. But then I found WA (and saw that it offered far and above what the other group touted), I knew I had to be part of WA. Fortunately, I was able to get my money back from the other group and jump into WA. It's been great! Woohoo!
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MozMary Premium
Excellent timing, glad you got your money back! It was 2012 when I did Burchard's course [took it on money back trial, omg, it nearly wore me out] and I watched all his lead up videos...you know when they say well that's an hour of my life I won't get back [or 20]!! So funny that you say he has cut them down in size, but I think it was all part of a hypnotic induction to put us to sleep at some level after which point we just swallowed everything he said !! :D
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ColleenLVSJC Premium
That's a hoot! I decided then that I would not do any online webinars or anything else that goes on for hours. There have been some others who have done that too. I got off of their email lists and ran the other way! To me, online events that are short (about an hour, or less, depending on what needs to be taught), with valuable content, and w/o hype show that someone value's my time. A frustrated attendee will buy nothing and refer nobody! :)
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omakendo Premium
HI Mary,
Thank's for comming my way.
Awesome bio.Reading through ,it gives me an impression
that you are a strong in heart.
I am one day old in WA with zero experience.I by chance came across it and joined with the aim to learn and be productive.

I hope to build trust with you and learn from your experience.

Have a blessed day.

Omakendo
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MozMary Premium
Nice to meet you, Omakendo! I am looking forward to your success, enjoy the training and feel free to ask questions any time :)
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herinnelson Premium
Hi Mary and awesome bio! I'm along the same lines as you. I am here to build a very productive business and am highly enjoying myself in the process! I love it here and feel that I get up each day and go to work among over one million co-workers! I'm obsessed with the training in the Classrooms and at Affiliate Bootcamp! Have fun! It's great to connect with you!
Erin
P.S. I LOVE your picture! I am a true "cat lady!" I can't figure out if the kitty is going up or down the stairs. So fun! xox
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MozMary Premium
Thanks Erin, YOU have an awesome bio! Glad you are doing so well! As for the kitty, which do you see first? I see up first, so I'll stick with that though I'm hearing people argue for down - I like that when you say either up or down the mind can see it both ways, a little bit of exercise for the brain :)
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Skystarr Premium
Hi MozMary, Thanks for following me. I'm impressed with your courage and determined spirit for not giving up and preserving through all that you endured with your health and all, but you accomplished your goals. Glad to hear you are doing fine now and is successful with WA. Like they say "You can't keep a good person down." :)

Best Wishes!

Linda
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MozMary Premium
Thanks, Linda! Hope all is going well for you, your bio is very impressive!

Mary
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Debbie717 Premium
Hi Mary. Thank you for your quick response. I found it! But lost your comments to my question.
What I was wondering is the Site Rubix where we can create content pages - is this just for putting your ideas into one central location? Once you"publish" that info, if you edit that post in WPress then those saved changes do not migrate to what was originally saved in Site Rubix.
Or maybe I'm doing the edit wrong.
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MozMary Premium
ah, I think you are using the word siterubix for sitecontent

I think you are correct in that once you publish from sitecontent to your website then it is gone from sitecontent, you must continue to edit on wp - but it is set up for that eg we still need to add images on the website, and we need to do the SEO on the website article too
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Debbie717 Premium
Thank you, Mary. So site content is more for drafting out your initial content. Anything after that I should be doing in WP. Is that right?
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MozMary Premium
yes, it is slightly more than a draft in that it will help you with grammar and spelling, and help you format in certain ways with headings, and it will tell you when/if an article is indexed in google, but in the future they will be adding in other features like adding images, but right now definitely a need to edit within wp, add images there, tags and categories there, and also not to forget to scroll down to the bottom of your post/page and do the meta for SEO
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Debbie717 Premium
Thank you for your help. It is much needed and much appreciated. Take care.
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rwaite3613 Premium
Hi, Mary. I appreciate the return follow. I'm happy to here you are doing well. I have a cousin that contracted some type of fungal infection in his spine from a cortizone shot that he is still battling years later. Best wishes to you on your continued success. Enjoy the journey.

Randy
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MozMary Premium
Hi Randy, sorry about your cousin!!! I'll keep an eye out in my travels to see how peeps might tackle something like that...
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Jaunesk Premium
Hi Mary, Thank for following. Nice view of the castle on the lake side and the forest track. As for the cat, I like to see it going up. A photo can be deceitful but it's your perception that matters. Ultimately, it will steer the direction of your course.

You are right on members gaming the ranking, I saw one sentence blog post with less than 10 words. The more I read on this, the lesser I get to notice my ranking now. Agreed with you that most important to me is what can I learn and share here in WA and building my online business and make it successful.

And thanks for the insight, I am here for the resources too.

Glad that you are getting well.
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MozMary Premium
Thanks, it is great to meet you. I like to see the cat going up too, but amazing that our minds can see it both ways - we can choose our reality :) Looking forward to hearing your successes in affiliate marketing and with the platform.
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SongbirdDL Premium
I am passing by Mary to say thank you or mentioning and referring me to that 'The mental bank program' video. I definitely know it will turn my life around. I am so grateful. Thank you for caring enough to mention it. I have written a blog about it. Once again, thank you.

~Danielle
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MozMary Premium
I just popped onto your blog, very kind of you to give me a shout out like that [!], but really you are demonstrating an amazing attitude in that you went and listened to it even though yes the length of it was a shock to you at first and you are a busy lady! And very kind that you immediately want to share it with others to help them.

It is an incredibly powerful tool and you will see results. It is a real game changer to understand the way the subconscious mind works, puts us in the driving seat of our life and let's us go up a level to success, it is something we should be taught in school along with math and everything else! :)
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SongbirdDL Premium
I couldn't agree with, with you more!

I am so glad that our paths have crossed Mary. That video is a game changer. I already look forward to a lot of success. I wish you the very best and loads of success.

~Danielle
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TammiP Premium
Hi MozMary.. that is an interesting name!! Thanks for the follow. I will be following you too.

Yes, I was a little upset with the rankings platform when it was first presented, but after a few days of "stewing" I got back to the roots of why I joined WA in the first place. I am content with learning and progressing in my websites. Rank is only a number, and considering that my rank has not changed since the new guidelines were set, I happy that I am I am holding steady.

i'm sorry to hear of your illness and very glad that you beat the odds and are back here at WA and thriving!! Medicine can sometimes be as detrimental to our health as helpful. Anyhoo...glad you are back!!!!

Take care and stay in touch. I love the idea of the cat and to which way it is truly walking!

Best of luck.....

T
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MozMary Premium
Thanks Tammi! Yeah, that up/down stairs is totally symbolic of the rank system in here if people chase it :D
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TammiP Premium
LOL!!!!
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MsMerry Premium
I just re-read your profile today MozMary and I remember the confusion with the other Moz. I too had a horrific misdiagnosis which has left me unable to continue my offline career. I have had to battle hard and I really respect your fight and your no bs policy. LoL . I have told a few people that seriously my rank has nothing to do with success but more with my genuine wish to help where and when I can.
I am looking forward to reading some more of your posts and learning more. :)
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MozMary Premium
Thanks MsMerry! I have noticed you are at home helping people :)
I have a lot of contacts in the alternative medicine and natural healing world, so if ever I can be of help in that area let me know.
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MsMerry Premium
Thank you so much. I really appreciate that.
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Paullamb777 Premium
Thank you for the follow! I hope all is going well for you.
I completely agree.. there are so many concerned with their rank here. You are definitely right it is the ones not focused on rank and more with getting educated that are more educated than the so called high ranked people on here.

Best of luck in all of your endeavors, May all of your dreams become reality.

Cheers,

Paul
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MozMary Premium
Thanks, Paul. Nice to meet you. Best wishes with the training and your goals!
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mistia Premium
Thank you for your update on your bio. I feel the same way. I am new and trying to find the best path to success on here and I know to stay off the dashboard and live chat. I don't get any value out of either of them. Not saying someone else can't, but it's not for me. I try to follow people that are steadily progressing in the real world. I want to build a strong group of WA friends.
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MozMary Premium
Thank you, Mistia!

There are some really solid people in here, providing great help and training. The dashboard has hit an all time slump the past few weeks/months but I try to scan it once a day to see if anyone has asked a good question or posted a good blog or training. Some real nuggets show up from time to time and the exchange can be great way to learn, so just a heads up to keep an eye out for the occasional nuggets. I don't open most posts now, I just go either by the title or the person. But you are so wise in what you said, and it's really great to meet a like minded person.

There are too many good member trainings to list here but make sure to check in on the profiles of people like jvranjes, marionblack, boomergp08, and of course magistudios. Using the search bar center of page can bring up extra training too, though I'm hoping they upgrade it so we can find all of them easily.
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ljc411 Premium
Thank you MozMary. Gotta question. I'm so new at all this even if I find it so incredibly fascinating. Wow, your accomplishments are pretty impressive. Sorry about all that you went through. Is everything ok now?

Would you kindly tell me what I'm supposed to be doing when someone follows me. Do we follow each other. Told you, I'm new.
I shall do whatever it takes to move right along with this program. I have wasted enough time and money on scams this year alone.
Thank you in advance for your help MozMary.
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MozMary Premium
We don't have to follow or return follows. I random click some newbies to introduce myself just in case they need some help but really the follow thing doesn't really mean much at all.

You can catch up with what is being posted daily by scanning the activity dashboard. It's a big and varied platform, people post anything they like, sometimes it's good sometimes it's rubbish. You can take a look at people's profiles and what they write and see if you genuinely want to follow them. People are going to answer your questions whatever.

This platform has excellent resources but the likes and follows and rank stuff can really distract people - so there's your heads up, learn to navigate and best wishes with the training ;)
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ljc411 Premium
Hi MozMary! It's been a while. Hope you are doing well.

Having all kinds of trouble sitewise. I made all kinds crazy mistakes here and don't know how to fix it. Will you help me out please? I created pages instead of posts and have all kinds of questions on doing it right. Also, sorry, I changed my user id from Lupe C to ljc411. Thanks Mary.
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MozMary Premium
ok, best to PM me about this and I will see where the best solutions for you are - also tell me whether it is a free site or own domain, I'm popping out for a couple of hours and my time zone is GMT but I will get back to you
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ljc411 Premium
Thanks, Mary. I appreciate it. It's a free site which I got before i switched to premium but I don't know if I can switch it with a real domain. At first I thought I'd use it for practice and that's where i started drowning in confusion as you'll see. I watched Jays videos for days and hours and some of them I've watched two or three times and it's just finally beginning to make sense (slowly :), but hey, it's only my 2nd wk and at one point I just wanted to throw in the towel. High tech has never been my forte' but I refuse to give up. Thank you so much for your help.
Hope you have a great outing.
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MozMary Premium
ok, this will be easy enough to sort out and it is all part of the learning curve

- yes you can switch it to an own domain any time you like but for now you can practice and it is a good place to try out stuff like you just have - no one really knows what their pages and posts are going to be in the very beginning, it is a case of getting some experience and testing different things out. Also you don't have to worry about losing any ranking in google's eyes at this point so you can chop and change all you like. I'll chat more with you in the PM.

You are working very hard, I remember how confusing the dashboard was in the beginning too, suddenly it will all click and you'll be amazed! :)
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Cindyda1 Premium
Hello MozMary, I find your profile very interesting, helpful and informative. Good advice presented. I agree with your point regarding rank showing basically how active a person is. Since being still fairly new here I have tried to be active in reading others posts and responding mainly to get to know others and get a feel for those who do know their stuff and those who do not, I am learning the difference the more I peruse around here. On occasion, I have been guilty of engaging in some nonsense as well. I try to be supportive toward everyone if I can. I have noticed my rank has increased but I really am not concerned with that. Your point is spot on, we are here to become a success.

Much of the work I'm doing now is offline, preparing content in word or other, trying to research and sort through just how I want to implement what I am learning. So none of it is really showing up much for now here. That likely does not make much sense to most, it's just my way of going about things. I am still trying to gain confidence here.

I can appreciate your struggle back from serious health issues to overcome the odds. When we are put in a position to make us realize just how short life is, it does tend to make one appreciate what is really important in life and puts us on a short fuse for nonsense. Your experiences and accomplishments you have shared are impressive indeed. No doubt you are a success already and well on your way toward even bigger succes. I would be honored to follow your inspiration here and learn from your example.
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MozMary Premium
Hello Cindy, nice to meet you! You have great focus and what you are doing does make sense, that is fantastic. You will gain confidence pretty fast here, just follow through the training and look at the weekly webinar replays, also some members have great training too, you'll get to know them.

Some of the best people you'll ever meet are milling around in here, and we all have a bit of fun interacting, the social side can be great, I'd encourage everyone to enjoy themselves and get to know others and make friends, but there's no doubt that social side and rank aspect can be addictive especially the way the rank system is set up, strange things can overrun the dashboard at times and people can get frustrated, so I like to keep grounded in the good stuff!
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JenNine Premium
Hi Mary. Thank you for your beautiful reply on my question. I'm so glad that you are courageous and fought. Illness can be such a tragic thing. My husband was told a few days ago that he has Lou Gehrig's and has 2 to 5 years to live.
We will be getting a second opinion for sure. But we also think they are wrong as his old injury always gave him a low nerve response in his leg. And he also just had a new injury 2 months ago which caused him lower and upper back injury and a bang on the left side of the head.
The Tests could be reading what the injury is doing to the nerves. Even if the second opinion agrees with the first we still won't be convinced totally.
But it's still disturbing when you're told by an expert and you're always going to go back and forth with some doubt.

My only option is to try to prove them wrong. One thing I do know it that with the Lou Gehrig's there is no recovery. It's all progressive muscle failure ending in a horrible death of respiratory failure.

I put him on a anti inflammatory regime 3 days ago. And since I do laser for pets and know the benefits, I have been lasering him while he sleeps since Friday night. Already there is improvement which is not supposed to happen with this disease.

I won't stop until I stop breathing!

I am in Ontario and so far all the holistic centers say that they can try slowing it down but there is no cure.

But I will find out some how what is going on. The other thing that is throwing them off is is voice and pronunciation is bad that started after a cold. But today I noticed it was better where I could understand him over the phone for the first time in two months.

I don't know what to think. So reaching here in WA may give me some good direction just like you are offering.

Thank you Mary. And do pm me your valuable information. I know that everything can help.
I feel that you are very well informed.

Warm thoughts.
Jen
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MozMary Premium
Thanks Jen. I was told I'd have the worst symptoms of organophosphate poisoning, gulf war syndrome and severe 25% group ME, that I was 'unlucky' and that there was no hope and that the top specialist's own dad died of what I had very quickly - but as they say in 'real' medicine [unfortunately called 'alternative' medicine] - no one has the right to tell you stuff like that or say that you are going to die, talk about a nocebo!

As for your laser treatment - would you believe a top alternative cancer clinic is using laser with great results for cancer [and cancer is closely tied to the immune system], maybe if you tune into that TTAC series you will see the guy using it and check if you are using it at therapeutic levels for a human.

As you see already your very first efforts are getting results - the body will respond to the right things - and his injuries could very well either have led to a wrong diagnosis or a right one - sometimes autoimmune conditions just need a trigger - however, they can be switched off.

What I've learned is you have got to stop the progress of illness fast, get any deterioration stabilized, because every loss of function is harder to reverse - you are dealing with the disease, the causes, and the progress...it's a learning curve because as you've seen the docs usually just manage symptoms and let it deteriorate.

I can think of some docs in functional neurology that may be better at testing him, will PM you.

Yes I am very well informed, there was no one who could help my condition - I was in a state worse than death for many years with a body so weak I could not sit, stand or lie down - no one can imagine how painful that is, zero rest 24/7 x 365...and with all body systems breaking down real fast - I was so ill no one even wanted to speak to me, no one wanted a dying patient on their hands, so I had to train in master herbalism, nutrition, massage, hypnotherapy, and functional medicine all at practitioner level, though I only learned this stuff to survive and for my own illness. I've heard people mention Lou Gehrig's in passing, but I paid no attention to it because I didn't have it - they were talking about getting results with it ;)

ps I also did Gerson therapy early on, that bought me time to work on the illness, there are many stages to winning a war...
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SantaFez Premium
Hello Mary,
And THANK YOU for a great post update bio... you are ABSOLUTELY right! People get "lost" in the euphoria of this wonderful community and tend to forget why they came here in the first place - totally agree with you!
I am really glad to have you on my network and look forward to grow, learn and share of my knowledge with you and the rest of the community.
I hope your health issues have been resolved...and wish you all the great success and enjoyment this wonderful WA journey offers!
See you around...
Orion
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MozMary Premium
Thank you Orion, it's wonderful to meet like minded people, it's a big platform and I constantly need to remind myself not to get distracted. There are truly wonderful people and wonderful resources here :)

It's surreal to be able once again to take a trip to the beach and a walk in the forest picking wild raspberries on a sunny July day after a decade of not being able to go outside or do anything, building health is an ongoing process though ;)

Best wishes online!
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JanP2 Premium
Hello, Mary. Thank you for following me. Sorry about the time it took for me to return the favour but I was so busy building my website. I am now following you.

I figured out early on that WA activity boosts Rank. I don't care about numbers. While I was busy and not active here, my rank stood at 1100 ish.

Good luck, Mary.

Janice.
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PMindra Premium
Hi, MozMary.
Paul Mindra here from Ontario, Canada.

Thank you for inviting me to be a part of your network. I graciously accept by following you back.

Rank, to me means very little. I have gone from top 200 to 30,000 and back to now 560. The rise or drop in rank did not increase or decrease what I continue to learn here.

Iatrogenesis. I hope I am not becoming a victim.

I have an auto immune disorder that has come a long way as prescriptions are concerned. From nsaids to dmards to systemics and now finally biologics. The biologics seem to be doing there job...but the side effects...wow.

Iatrogenesis
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ancient Greek painting in a vase, showing a physician (iatros) bleeding a patient
Iatrogenesis (from the Greek for "brought forth by the healer") refers to any effect on a person, resulting from any activity of one or more persons acting as healthcare professionals or promoting products or services as beneficial to health, that does not support a goal of the person affected.[1][2][3][4][5][6]

Some iatrogenic effects are clearly defined and easily recognized, such as a complication following a surgical procedure (e.g., lymphedema as a result of breast cancer surgery). Less obvious ones, such as complex drug interactions, may require significant investigation to identify.

While some [7] have advocated using 'iatrogenesis' to refer to all 'events caused by the health care delivery team', whether 'positive or negative', consensus limits use of 'iatrogenesis' to adverse, or, most broadly, to unintended outcomes.

Causes of iatrogenesis include:

side effects of possible drug interactions
complications arising from a procedure or treatment
medical error
negligence
unexamined instrument design[clarification needed]
anxiety or annoyance in the physician or treatment provider in relation to medical procedures or treatments
unnecessary treatment for profit
Unlike an adverse event, an iatrogenic effect is not always harmful.[7] For example, a scar created by surgery is said to be iatrogenic even though it does not represent improper care and may not be troublesome.

Professionals who may cause harm to patients include physicians, pharmacists, nurses, dentists, psychologists, psychiatrists, medical laboratory scientists and therapists. Iatrogenesis can also result from complementary and alternative medicine treatments.

Globally as of 2013 an estimated 20 million negative effects from treatment occurred.[8] It is estimated that 142,000 people died in 2013 from adverse effects of medical treatment up from 94,000 in 1990.[9]

I am very pleased to make your acquaintance, Moz.

I look forward to learning, sharing and serving with you as we all move forward here.

Kindest regards,

Paul.
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MozMary Premium
Hi Paul, there's a lot can be done now for autoimmune conditions that go to the cause of the problem instead of medicating it. There's been a lot of progress within functional medicine in understanding the causes, and then there is also alternative medicine, places like The School of Natural Healing. There's a lot of free resources online with all of these, there even was an 'autoimmune summit' that airs free every year. I've had to enter the health niche myself, taken a lot of practitioner courses, I'm not a practitioner but I may be able to point you some direction for further resources, feel free to PM me any time.

iatrogenic death = death by doctor, but for sure you spelled out all the different ways they can do that and people don't even realize - it certainly doesn't go on a lot of death certs, I've had a lot of friends killed by being given the wrong meds or wrong treatment.
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PMindra Premium
Very thoughtful and also insightful reply. Thank you.
My father (deceased 2013) was a doctor of alternative medicine.
I have done courses in homotoxicology to try to understand the bridge between 'traditional' and 'non-traditional' approaches to healthcare.

My son is moving into the 'Sports Medicine' Arena. I have two nephews practicing traditional medicine. I think that we all have to understand that the industry as a whole 'Practices.'

My current treatment for advanced Psoriatic Arthritis is Cosentyx.
It is expensive, but it seems to be the magic bullet so far. The side effects however are a bit of a concern. Fortunately I have a great relationship with my personal doctor.

The rheumatologist that has taken me to the cosentyx, I think, very soon I will fire.He just always talks about his prescribed medications being 'For Life.' He is old school and a bit of a quack.

You seem like a very sincere and honest person and yes, definitely I will PM you to find out more.

In closing I would like to say that the only time I want 'death by doctor' is when I request it and if it is denied...then right there lies in the hypocrisy.

Do you get what I mean?

Kindest regards,

Paul.
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MozMary Premium
yes, a very big issue for seriously ill people and those who decide these things for us usually don't understand...
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MKSwann1 Premium
Thank you for finding my profile interesting enough to follow. One follow deserves another. I am praying that our Higher Power smiles on our endeavors.


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MozMary Premium
Actually it is sort of routine to follow people first in here and get introduced, so it's nice to meet you and best wishes with the training.

Btw there is a place on your profile to list your websites and social media, we are not allowed do it like you have at the end of comments - the system could register that as spam and you could get locked out. I'm not sure the spam rules are made clear enough to beginners, but better to find out sooner rather than later -here they are
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derekmarshal Premium
A-Moz-Ing intro Mary, Interesting I signed up under Nathaneil for pretty much the same reasons - he called out some guy as a wanna be guru (different guy from you, though) that I had asked for a refund for...and was refusing to give it..until I tracked him ..home address and all.

No hiding in cyberspace really!!
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MozMary Premium
LOLOL!! I'll be very careful not to get on your wrong side then! Well I'm gonna be following your progress on your sites [as you reveal it, I haven't tracked you down, yet!]. LOL! I loved your focus in your blogs! Nat is pretty inspiring alright, we were lucky ;)
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ShirleyAnne Premium
I thoroughly enjoyed your Profile comments on rank, thanks for highlighting what is important so we newbies don't think Low Rank always means High Value. As usual it's how we got there - like some people are born with money and some have started successful online businesses .... easy choice of who to follow. During my breaks from lessons I look forward to reading your blogs.

Sidenote: I started a week ago only concerned with learning; reading every word of the lessons and completing all tasks and it's been such a surprise to see my rank change so much day by day! After finishing the first 9 lessons and tasks my rank was about 10,000. Then just being in community replying Only to comments that helped me (saying How I was helped) my rank continued to move: day 4 - 9305 day 6 - 8265 day 7 - 7696. Day 7 went premium so this morning it's 1547. So I agree if you do the work the rank takes care of itself!
I did the first 9 lessons for beginners in 3 days and 10th lesson -going premium on last day of week. My rationale- If I went to premium right away I'd be so excited to do the lessons that I'd ignore the community! Which had sort of been an assignment to get involved - which I thought would be overwhelming. So as a breather I had several days to enjoy the community and connect with some awesome people who reached out to me - as you did with excellent advice. This is so comforting to us newbies!

Have a great day
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MozMary Premium
Wow, I admire your focus and approach to such a big and potentially distracting environment!

Yes, it really works when we stay focused on our goals, it provides the resources and so true that some of the most amazing and helpful people you will meet are in here interacting freely.

Some of the people reaching out to newbies are just looking to pursue their rank with a charm offensive but some of them are top people who know their stuff. And then there are some you'll only get to know when you do the lessons and pursue certain topics, these people aren't so social so you will find them the more you work and pursue topics. Sometimes there's a lot to learn from the questions and blogs in the community and sometimes just type a topic in the search bar and you'll see some hard working members come up in there who have produced training and advice.

Feel free to check in with me any time, it's great to meet like minded people.

Btw, that's a great analogy of the old money vs new :)
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ShirleyAnne Premium
Thank you for such a nice reply - I value your comments very much on how I will meet some hard working members in the future. I will look forward to our future communications.
Thanks for brightening my day!
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Juliane1 Premium
Thank you for your honest review. I really appreciate your candid information, I'm just starting, feeling a bit overwhelmed by all there is to learn. However....a little fish named Dory has inspired me to "just keep swimming" so that's what I intend to do. One step at a time : )

Cheers,
Juliane
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MozMary Premium
Welcome on board, Juliane. Stick with the lessons, step by step. Then there are some good members producing extra training, that can be found in the search bar and when you get to know who is who you'll be able to go straight to their profiles and find their training there. There is an activity dashboard where people post a lot of random stuff, sometimes we can learn a lot there too, though sometimes it's a bit like facebook with a lot of random chatter unrelated to why we signed up, don't let the blogs overwhelm you. You may also receive a lot of emails, it is possible to filter them in your account settings.

Best wishes
Mary
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ShirleyAnne Premium
Fellow newbie here, I enjoyed your reference to Dory - made me smile - just loved her character and could you have had a better voice than Ellen's?
Thanks for the reminder of an - I Can Do - inspiration!
We may have ups and downs on our Journey but as long as 'we keep going' we Will get there, right?
Cheers
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Juliane1 Premium
Absolutely. Well said ShirleyAnne ; )
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MozMary Premium
I just looked it up on youtube! Very funny! I had initially thought Dory was a member in here that encouraged you LOL!
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MozMary Premium
thanks for clarifying that is was a fish, I just looked it up on youtube lol!
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KevinPC13 Premium
Hi Mary,

Thank You so much for adding me to your “Following”!!!

I Love The Forest Too - I live Next to/between Yosemite National Park and Kings Canyon National Park and at the foothills of the Sequoia & Sierra National Forests. We have some "Giant Redwoods" about 15 miles down range from us (McKinley Grove)!!!

Incredible Organisms!!!!

I have seen a lot of programs over the last 4 years and this looks and feels right!!!

I would greatly appreciate it if you would please let me know if there are any important tips that you think a “Newbie” like I am to WA can benefit from!!!

Best Wishes for Your Continued Success!!!

HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!
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MozMary Premium
Sounds amazing, the place you live! Well yes, I'd certainly have some tips for newbies, firstly don't get distracted by the rank system in here, you will soon get to know who is really working on their websites and who is merely being social for the sake of 'high rank', though there certainly is fun to be had at times, but the training and serious members are the ones to watch eg Nathaniell, Ivetriedthat, affilicoach, check out their blogs, also some good extra training by members like chrisscott, marionblack, boomergp08, and of course magistudios - actually there are a lot more. Don't forget the search bar brings up a lot of extra stuff. And go through all the steps in both trainings, it's amazing the nuggets Kyle puts in there when you least expect!
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KevinPC13 Premium
Thank You!!!

Most Excellent Advice!!!

Best Wishes For Your Continued Successes!!!

HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!

Kevin
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BBrandt Premium
Hello Ms Moz,
Thank you for following me. I have added you to my network. I am glad to be associated with a more seasoned vet than myself. Please check out my website, I am passionate about health/well-being. I will look for you on your social media and look forward to working with you.

God bless and much success to you.

Bruce
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MozMary Premium
I'm just building out a health niche site myself, will check in with you at some point on this
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docub Premium
Mary,
Welcome to the Wealthy Affiliate Community! Thank you for following me, welcome to my Tribe and Network and I have returned the favor and followed you back.

I wish you all the best here at WA and if you need something or have questions hit me up and I'll do my best to get the information you need.

To Your Success!
Brian
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mcleana1 Premium
Hello there Mary. I love your username, Moz. It's so "MOD" :-)). Thank you for your follow. I will follow you back.

Oh, and by the way, we are in the process of looking to buy land. I will take your "neighboring forest" pic along for inspiration. :-)) :-))

To Your Continued Success!
Angela
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MozMary Premium
:D hope you get a lovely place!
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larryeden Premium
Hello Moz just dropping by to say Hi you have accomplished a lot hope I get the same thing done so I got to get going to , My hobbies are I like deer hunting fishing and I do a little boating at times and I watch a good movie on Netflix some time and I have done a tour in Vietnam also good luck may god bless
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Compsol99 Premium
Hi!
Thank you very much for following me. Best of luck to you in your endeavors.
Regards,
Shawn - Yearly Premium Member

P.S. Please check out my websites on my profile page to get an idea of what the Wealthy Affiliate training can do for you. Any feedback or comments would be greatly appreciated.
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PSheridan Premium
Hello and welcome to WA. Thanks for the follow. Wishing you much success and prosperity here. Here is a link to my thought for the day.
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spurway Premium
Hello Moz
Nice to meet you here at WA. Thank you for the follow and all the best in achieving your goals at Wealthy Affiliate. It is a pleasure networking with you and the community here at WA. It is a great place to be here, if you get stuck just ask, there will always be someone here to help you.
Cheers Sylvia
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Steve1958 Premium
Thanks very much for following me...
It's great to make contact with you & I wish you all the best & much success with your internet marketing business!
You'll do well here & we're in good hands!
Best wishes...
Steve

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MozMary Premium
Thanks, Steve. But the rank system is too flawed for me to believe in, been there and done that. I'm here for the training and fun. See you around.
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HelenpDoyle Premium
Moz, I was going to follow you ages ago but when I went in to do so you had 'disappeared'. I saw something today that told me you had come back (I am probably a bit slow on this).

Hope all the s**t is now not hitting the fan!

So I going to tick the follow box.

I read your stuff on the apparent censorship. I was going to comment but read right through and it looks like the explanation has been given.

I do agree with you about censorship as the entity deciding this probably has a personal agenda. Especially if there is something with lots of lobbying power behind them.
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MozMary Premium
Thanks, Helen! Great to meet you. Yes, I'm back! WA is a great place for learning and I made some great friends, but yeah I met the dark side too, but I'm not going to let it win ;)

Love your profile pics! WOW! See you around, and every success!

Moz
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billybrown1 Premium
Hi Moz,
Good to hear from you and thanks for the follow, I hope all is going well for you.
I am working on my website right now and would really appreciate your opinion if you have a few minutes to look at it. The best of luck for the future.

billyknowsmarketing.com

Thanks
Billy
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MozMary Premium
That is an amazing site and what fast work - looking forward to the updates! Which course[s] and what levels have you already covered at WA?
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billybrown1 Premium
Thanks Moz,
I have just finished Affiliate Bootcamp Course 1, starting on Course 2 tomorrow.

Billy
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TeddyC Premium
Hi Moz's, welcome aboard. I have no idea of what I am doing at this point. I have tried many things on the internet and spent close to 20,000 dollars on scams. I hope WA is the answer to my prayers. I am not getting any younger and sure could use the extra income. God Bless.
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MozMary Premium
Thanks! Wow, that's a lot of money spent on scams- but you can put all that experience to good use in Affiliate Bootcamp by writing up your own reviews using your experience, people will be glad you are saving them losing that much by falling into the same traps you did, and you can get paid to direct them to the good training here - which is not expensive and goes way past anything I've seen anyone else offer. Enjoy the training!
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gildabitt Premium
Thanks for following me Moz!!! I just have a question, and is why you are not facing as a real person, even your very good website doesn't show your picture, so it's no way to imaging you as a person, and I truly believe that if you let people know who you really are, you can add more credibility to your business. Just a humble suggestion.
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