Need Help with Web Design? You Might Want to Check This Out

Last Update: March 31, 2014

Hey there, fellow WA'ers!

Okay, I'm hoping this is okay to share with you, but if not, I'll soon find out from the powers of K & C.

Earlier today, errr, no!That was yesterday...I read a blog here at WA... lol, now from who I just can't think of at the moment...I really need to get some sleep..but, anyways, this has been on my mind since I came across it and...

Well, what I'm trying to say is I came across a blog here about Web Design and it mentioned a book called "Design for Hackers" by David Kadavy.

To make a long story short, I looked it up and came across something I think may be helpful to many of us that need advice in the web design department. Yours truly included.

So, I signed up for it and thought I'd share the link if anyone else is interested in learning more about web design. It's a free 12-week email course from what I understand right from David Kadavy. Sounds cool, right?

Now, I've got to say I do not know how good it is since I just signed up for it myself...since it's free, I thought I'd check it out and see how it goes.

I'm in no way affiliated with this but, I thought it'd be helpful, so I thought I'd share it with you.

Okay already! Here it is http://designforhackers.com/

I do hope you find it helpful and I'll be checking it out more myself in the weeks to come since as far as I understand it's a 12-week course. So, now I'm just waiting to see what happens next with it and as soon as I know more, I'll post more about it.

Anyone else here already heard of this course? Read the book? I haven't yet, but it sounds helpful, so I'd like to know what opinions anyone else may have on it.

Have a good night folks! Errrr, morning!? Best wishes to all ;)

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1signbanner Premium
Sherry,

I read your article. Just a bit of my back ground. At the age of 19 (many years ago) I'm 63 now I worked at a retail store here in Hawaii doing advertising. Never went to school. I was hired a few years after highschool by an art director who saw my high school artwork.

For 7 years working for this retail store and learned newspaper advertising and mingled with fashion artist, production artists, copy writers etc. It gave me one of the most awesome on the job advertising experience one could ever have.

I even went into the sign industry. Back then we didn't have computers like nowadays, everything (mostly) was done by hand.
I learned how to hand paint signs and learned how color works.

Design came as a results of these many experiences and grateful
to mentors before me and MAD Magazine's, to me, top caricature artists Mort Drucker and Jack Davis.

If you need suggestions about layout and design please take a look at my website...again. You'll see posters I designed and check the home page. Note how I put together copy. First I would suggest just skim thru it. When you get to the bottom of the homepage, ask yourself, "How did I feel?" If it felt sorta like it was easy reading and the pictures were placed at the right place,

Then you could say it was a "half-decent" website design.

Now go back on it the second time and observe how I layed it out.
Notice the margins between thought groups? Note the colors I used. Black background sorta like how you did your website. Colors seem to yell out "look at me!" How I chose typestyles and
notice the amount of words on a line. I try not to make it go streaming across the whole page. For viewers it's simply harder
to read a long line.

Contrast bold copy with thin copy for emphasis. There's a whole
slew of things going on. If you need help in this area let me know I can certainly help.

Ok, enuff of posting, I gottaah get to work. I'm on creating my website on course 1 chapter 3-4 I think! lols!


Frank
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hi Frank,
Wow, it sounds like you sure do have the best kind of knowledge in layout and design...firsthand experience, working at it for many years!

I can also see it in your website, which looks amazing, btw! Scrolling down to the bottom of the page I felt a feeling of Wow, these are awesome, along with a feeling of happiness...like a feel good feeling, if you know what I mean, lol.

Just from looking at the caricatures you've done there and reading the testimonials, I'd recommend you to others...geez, I'd hire you for a party if you weren't so far away, and we were planning one, lol!

Now, I wish I could get that with my art website...so any tips or changes you might have I'm all ears!

Thank you so much, Frank for not only reading this article, but also for the offer for help on design and layout...that's one thing I'm still very unsure of what I'm doing, lol.

Guess I better get to work here again too, lol. Keep on working at it!

Best wishes :) ~Sherry
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1signbanner Premium
I'd be glad to help, btw Sherry one of the pages I liked was the way your subheaders and copy followed...nice.

May I suggest when doing your web pages keep your messages "tight." What I mean is leave ample space between thought groups. When you do this your reader can zero in on your message.

It's is simply to give readers something to grab onto. Remember the header page on the very top?

"Looking for a Vendor. . . ."

Note the space between that and

"I might be able to help...."

There is ample space between each. No worries about space on
your site. You have plenty room below. What I did was to make it
clear so their brains can absorb my message and then the samples below

You on your site could place your painting to the right side
instead of mines below. Of course your copy description would
be on the left side. You could even flush the copy to the right.
Right next to your painting.

Graphically it would be pleasing to look at. Hope you can visualize
what I'm saying.

You could lay out your copy on the right and put all your samples
on the left. Keep ample space between the copy and artwork for each and you have a wonderful layout in my opinion.

I notices there were a number of links on the left or was it right? Not sure. You may want to cut it down some to maybe a few.

The home page is where you need to "Hit them and Hit'em hard" with what you have by making it simple and clear to read and pleasing to look at.

One last advice of course they're more keep your message clear and concise. Easier said then done. I should talk. I am still learning what to write.

There is more but may I make a suggestion and go look at advertisements in newspapers and anywhere that you think like
and observe how they layed it out. Observe how they group their thoughts simply by making space.

Remember your home page is to "show-off" your work. You Sherry have lots to offer this world. Go girl people wanna see your work.


Hope this all makes sense and please ask I'm here to help in this area if I can.


Frank
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hi Frank,
Wow, thank you so much for the advice...I'll have to dig into it more and see how much the theme I have allows for the changes like adding the images on the left with the copy on the right on the other posts.

Yeah, I see too what you mean by the links on the side...kind of a lot! I guess I need to remember to give the readers more space to think in, lol. Going to have to work on this in my test site and see what kind of changes I can do or else if this theme doesn't work for what you mentioned I'll have to look for another one...something that allows for the images and copy to be placed as you mentioned.

Thank you so much Frank, you're awesome! Oh, and thank you too for the kind words!

Best wishes :) ~Sherry
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cwelliver Premium
might as well take a look at, after all I surely would never claim to know everything in that area. LOL
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Freedomseekr Premium
Yes, there's a lot to learn for sure! I don't know if anyone could know everything in that area anyways...I know I sure don't either!
Anyways, I've followed David Kadavy for some time now, and learned some interesting stuff from his free courses...hopefully this is helpful to you too.

Best wishes :) ~Sherry
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Je88 Premium
Sherry.I just signed the free email course too.And I m following you.
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terryellen Premium
Thank you, I signed up and will give it a try. Any learning is good!
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Freedomseekr Premium
That's what I was thinking and if it's free, why not! Thanks for stopping by and commenting Terry :)
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caylynn Premium
Look forward to your next post, on design for hackers?^_~
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Freedomseekr Premium
Thanks Caylynn,
Looks like this will be taking awhile to do since it's a 12-week email course and as far as I know it's only been the first week email that I've gotten yet from there. But, as soon as I can I'll post an update on what it's about.
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Funandeasy Premium
I signed for the course and will see. Thank you!
Milena
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hi Milena,
You're welcome and I hope it helps you out. Yes, I guess we'll have to see how it goes.
Not sure if you've gotten the confirmation email and then another one right after that saying "here's all of the fonts you'll ever need" and other goodies. The next (3rd) email isn't sent until a day after you sign up, so you might not have gotten that yet. At least that's what I've seen in my email so far.
Thanks for reading and commenting. Best wishes to you :) -Sherry
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Melanie1508 Premium
I will check it out. Thank you very much. :)
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Freedomseekr Premium
You're welcome Melanie. Just thought it'd be something that may be useful to everyone here. I hope it is anyways and I'll be letting you all know how it goes. Best wishes :)
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mama2karsten Premium
you can buy the book that goes with the course or get a free email page. The only thing that troubles me is his website is a free trial version… This only bothers me from a longevity stand point and putting my info on an insecure site… While the info may be good… its all about email list building…

But thanks for sharing… I don't want anymore email campaigns at the moment…:)
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hi Mama,
Thanks for letting me know about it. I'll probably buy the book at some point depending how this email course goes. I don't think I like the idea either of putting info on an insecure site if that's what the free email page is about.

Haha, I know what you mean about email campaigns...I get so many emails already, I could cry. But, this sounds like something that will help with what I've been planning on doing, so I figured I'd go with it.

Thanks for reading and stopping by, it's nice to "hear" from you. Best wishes :) -Sherry
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SowAndReap Premium
Thanks for sharing, I will check it out.
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Freedomseekr Premium
You're welcome Evelyn. I hope you find it useful and thank you for reading and the comment. Best wishes :) -Sherry
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daniel44 Premium
It doesn't hurt to register and read what I can from this 12-week course. I'm giving it a shot.
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hey Daniel,
That's what I figured when I came across this and then thought I should share it with everyone here too. Maybe others would like to give it a try too. Well, I do hope it's helpful for you. Thanks for reading and commenting.
Best wishes :) -Sherry
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wootten Premium
The best things in life are free....and David Kadavy has made a good name for himself with us designers..not sure about technical ability..I am going to register today. Its all great info....if you have any question about the aesthetics( colour, font, balance and theme placement etc.) of your website...you need to read the book suggested in Andy's blog and give Andy a like because this is definately a valuable morsel....and an applause to freedomseekr for finding the course. ..I am going to sign up now myself. Sunshiny smiles
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hi Amanda,
Very true, some of the best things are free. I'm probably going to read the book once I get done with the email course.
Andy's blog certainly is valuable...if I hadn't read it, I wouldn't have ever even heard of David Kadavy let alone found this course!
Hope it's helpful to you too and best wishes :) -Sherry
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wootten Premium
And....Andy's blog is how we met each other too. Added bonus. Enjoy your day....sunshiny smiles
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tntgoodrich Premium
I got an email today from that same person. I still get emails from the Dave & Dave team so I assumed it was probably from them so I deleted it. I'd like to know more about it if the course helps. Have a great day.
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hi tntgoodrich,
I did get my week 1 email today, from Dave Kadavy, but still have to check it out....at the moment I'm still slogging through my emails since I just got on the internet a little bit ago. Well, I got sidetracked for a bit too, lol.
I'll be sure to write another post once I get more info from them and actually see what it's all about. Thanks for the comment, it's nice to hear from you. Best wishes :) -Sherry
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masirois Premium
Design for Hackers" by David Kadavy was referenced by Nomda Ploom (Andy) in his post called The $400 million font saving... I haven't read it, but was also thinking about it ;)
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nomda ploom Premium
thanks for the shout out- A
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hi Marcel,
Thanks for reminding me! I read Nomda Ploom's post yesterday, and kept thinking I should look it up, so I did and came across the email course.

Anyways, by then I had lost track of whose blog, lol. It didn't help either that I was writing it on the spur of the moment, thinking I want to share this before I go to sleep. Otherwise, knowing myself as well as I do, I'll keep putting it off until the tomorrow that never arrives. ;) -Sherry
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Jen090 Premium
Hi Sherry, yes, this was actually mentioned by Any (noomda ploom). Now that this is mentioned twice, I might as well check this out. Thanks.
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hi Jen,
Yes, it was noomda ploom! I hope it'll be helpful since I just signed up myself yesterday and just got the first week's email today. Seemed thought provoking so far. I'll be posting about this as it goes a little further along in the email course. I'm not sure if it's an email a week or not so it may take awhile, but that's okay by me since I have tons of other stuff to do too. So, I'll let others know as I find out.
Thanks for reading and commenting. Best wishes :) -Sherry
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OldCodger Premium
Thanks, Sherry, I've signed up - it could be very helpful info to have.
:) george
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hi George,
It's good to see you here. :)
I signed up yesterday, and got the first week email today. Just got done reading it in fact. It's certainly something to think about and whether or not it helps we'll see.
Well, in the "first week" email, if you're not paying attention, like I was at first...ahem, and click the "Design for Hackers" you end up going to Amazon. But, anyways, if you just read the advice in this email, it does give you something to think about. Oh, and there's a survey too, just a yes or no question and a thank you note at the end of it. So far so good in my opinion.
Hope it's helpful to you too George, and I guess we'll have to see how it all goes in the following weeks.

Best wishes:) -Sherry
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mightypaul1 Premium
Nice no harm trying since it is free
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Freedomseekr Premium
That's what I figured, may as well give it a go since it's free. Hope it helps you out and best wishes to you! :) -Sherry
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Fred Chong Premium
Thanks for the info, will check it out!
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hi Fred,
No problem, and I hope you find it helpful to you. Best wishes! :) -Sherry
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Trialynn Premium
I do not think there can be any harm in checking it out. Thanks for the share!
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hi Terea,
You're welcome. Hopefully, it'll help people out anyways. I hated not to share something that could be of help to others since it's free to sign up. Thanks for reading and commenting! Hope you have a great day and as for me, I better get a few hours of sleep in, lol.
Best wishes! :) -Sherry
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Trialynn Premium
I already have my beginning stuff, looks exciting! Thanks again Sherry, rest well or good morning if you read this tomorrow!
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gusti Premium
hi Sherry, thanks so much for this, I guess I will follow your step then. Seems very interesting! I also noticed : Kadavy and 'hackers'? I just crack my face in two, Sherry! I also noticed lately that : people that trying to do good by shares some links must write 'I'm not affiliated with this'.. I'll keep in mind, Sherry. Thanks!
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Freedomseekr Premium
Hi Gusti,
No problem, I hope it helps you out too. Haha, I got a laugh out of that name too. I figured I should share it since it seems like a good thing as far as I know, but I guess we'll see how it goes hey?

As far as writing the "I'm not affiliated with this" I've noticed that too, but I don't know if we have to or not. I figured either way, I wanted everyone to know that it's not an affiliate link and just something I "found" when looking up the book name and author, which was mentioned by nomda ploom here at WA.

Thank you for reading and commenting. I'm always glad to hear from you. Best wishes! :) -Sherry
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Kav Premium
Thanks for sharing.
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Freedomseekr Premium
You're welcome Kav, and I hope it helps you out. Best wishes :) -Sherry
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nomda ploom Premium
It was me, and I am glad that the David K thing smacked you in the eyes too. It is not a coffee table book it is for reference and the gentlest of routes in to design elements.
Having read it, I noticed all elements of design in even the least likely of places- it is truly an eye opener.

Thanks for your post- Andy
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Freedomseekr Premium
Haha, now I remember! I've been up for far too long yet again and when I started writing this, I couldn't think for the life of me. What blog was it, who was it now?...darn it, I gotta get this done! Whew! I'm glad you chimed in...I think my brain was starting to smoke trying to get it working, lol.

Anyways, thanks again for pointing me in that direction, and it sure sounds like something I should read too.
Best wishes to you! :) -Sherry
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