Mentor / Mentee - Win / Win

Last Update: October 07, 2014



I have been a Mentor and a Mentee, the student and the teacher. It is by far my favorite way to learn. I found both roles to be greatly beneficial. But, it has to be a Win - Win situation or nobody wins.

My most profitable mentee was when I started in Real Estate and the owner/ broker of the firm put me with his most experienced agent. We’ll call him ”Jaws”. I was to pay “Jaws” 25% of everything I earned for the first 30 days.

”Jaws” knew every apartment in Manhattan. But, it was the 4 Questions that “Jaws” taught me to ask every new client, that made me a small fortune. It made me money while I was in Real Estate and a variation of those four questions became an integral part of every presentation I’ve done to this very day. Those 4 Questions were worth every penny that I paid ”Jaws”.

His other help, far surpassed that. My desk was right behind his, he could hear my conversation with my clients. He would write down a list of 3 to 5 apartments to show them, and he would put a ‘C’ on which one I should Close on. He was right about 80% of the time. We stayed friends for years after my month of being a mentee was over.

”Jaws” didn't help me get my Real Estate license, he didn’t help me study for the test. He didn’t show my clients apartments. I had to do the work. He just made the work More Profitable.

”Jaws” also didn’t point me to the big books we had of NYC apartment floor plans and say, “Go, study them”. That would have been like saying, “Take 2 aspirins and call me in the morning”. I would not be happy to pay somebody to tell me, “Just do your lessons, and PM me if you have any questions”. Sorry, that’s not a mentor, that’s a Traffic Cop.

I’ve been looking for a Mentor here, a ”Jaws” if you would. I would also like to become, ”Jaws” for somebody else. I would much prefer to be a Mentor than to be an Ambassador. I have no idea what qualities an Ambassador needs. I do know what a Mentor needs to be.

"Mentoring is to support and encourage people to manage their own learning in order that they may maximise their potential, develop their skills, improve their performance and become the person they want to be." Eric Parsloe, The Oxford School of Coaching & Mentoring

http://www.mentorset.org.uk/pages/mentoring.htm

It is a partnership between two people (mentor and mentee) normally working in a similar field or sharing similar experiences. It is a helpful relationship based upon mutual trust and respect.

What would be fair and equitable here, what would be a Win / Win for both parties?

How much is realistic for a Mentee to earn in 30 days, with one on one, expert Mentoring? I think under $1,000 Gross would be not worth it for either party.

Let’s start with 25% of everything that is earned for the first month. I would say If a Mentor could help a Mentee to earn $1000 Gross, then the Mentor would have earned a commission of $250 for the month. The Mentee would net $750. If the Mentor, could have more than one mentee a month it could be very profitable.

How much time, would the Mentor have to invest to earn his 25%?

Of course it could be on a sliding scale, depending on how much time the mentor had to dedicate. Or, there could be Production Bonuses at different Income levels. I know as a Mentor, that would be a very nice carrot for me.

There is also no reason, why the Mentoring would only have to be for one month. The logical progression for me would be to go from Mentee to Mentor. If methods and training tools were used, there is no reason an Override on New Mentees, shouldn’t be expected (perhaps 1% of the new mentors earnings). The possibilities are unlimited and interesting to imagine.

I know that I'm not the only one that feels they could benefit from a One On One Mentoring Relationship. It would be great to here everybody else's feedback. From the Mentor and the Mentee's perspective.


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Joph Premium
Hi Phil.

This is indeed a very interesting post.

I'm a co-owner and co-founder of a "think tank" & consulting firm. We basically solve different kinds of problems for different kinds of clients.

One of the things we do is what is called a Business Incubator. We basically nurture an entrepreneur and his start-up towards success by providing him mentoring, r&d facility, back-office support, start-up and seed funding, business development, personal and business branding, company exit strategy.

It is usually by invitation or recommendation, we do have the occasional "exceptions to the rule" type of projects.

We have a set-criteria that we use as a guide on who and which to "incubate", but more often than not we rely primarily on our good sense of judgment and instinct.

Mentoring is a START-UP point, the necessary back-up support has to follow in order to ensure success.

More importantly, mentoring is continuous and is the "be it and end all" when it comes start-up ventures. It is the key.

Joph
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Joph, I appreciate your reply. I understand where you're coming from, and I fully agree.

But, I have to refer you to Kyle's post on this thread. I don't have to agree, but I do have to respect his decision, with regard to offering or accepting mentoring on WA.
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Joph Premium
Hi Phil.

Kyle and Carson have their vision on what WA should be, and it is a good one as we all can see.

I see no harm nor offense in discussing matters constructively, it will render a good idea a life and direction of its own.

You see, it is not the idea that is the impetus but rather the emotion behind it.

Like for example mentoring, the driving factor there is the desire and longing to matter and to not be merely swept away by the tidal wave of events around you.

As I said, an idea has a life of its own and will follow the path of lesser resistance towards its fruition.

All things considered, WA's operational framework works because it is targeted towards a defined set of individuals and occurrences.

And I duly respect the stand of the owners regarding issues that may have an impact on the overall effectiveness of WA, meaning it is not designed for a concept like mentorship, other entities are, so let's leave it at that.

I am here, as always, as a guide, "an experienced and trusted adviser,
an experienced person who trains and counsels others."

Joph :)
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BrooklynPhil Premium
"Move along folks, there's nothing to see here!"
See Kyle's post, the conversation is over.
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wb5yjs Premium
I believe you are correct with one possible exception.

If there are those that are capable of & willing to be Mentors & make themselves known, then those of us in need of Mentoring could enter act outside of WA with them.

Otherwise it is 'each-to-his-own' & the 'hunt-is-on'.

Mentor each other or Mentor ourselves… the blind leading the blind with WA being a 'crutch'.
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Kyle Premium
Money contracts online don't work in this industry and rarely end well in business. The reason is that someone always ends up getting the short end of the stick. This is why we don't have this sort of "scheme" here at WA, it simply won't work and we have seen it fail too many times.

You have access to MANY mentors here at WA as a member, many of whom have made a considerable amount of money online. What is the fee? Nothing outside of your membership fee.

People that reach success here at WA pay it forward and do so in a natural way, when you start creating contracts that is when it no longer becomes paying it forward and it becomes a business partnership, which most fail because of what I mentioned earlier.

Everyone has the tools to reach success, in fact, you have 10x more than we ever had when getting going and you have unlimited abilities to ask questions and get help when you need it with your business. That is available. The mentorship is there and nobody that is offering the help expects a 25% cut. That takes the "paying it forward" out of it.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
I've been gone all weekend. I spent some time with my family and didn't even look at a computer, although I did have access. I was totally involved in conversation with family.

I am very pleased that my blog has taken on a life of it's own.
Wally, my friend, you have to know that when I think WA Mentor, I see your profile photo.

With regards to: "Perhaps WA needs to add a new "Titled Group"… "Mentor"

I think that nothing is going to happen on WA without Kyle & Carson's Seal of Approval.
However, I'm sure that they have their own agenda. I am not sure if "Mentors" is even on their horizon.

All I would want is for them to allow it to happen. Once that is understood, I think it up to us to make it happen. Within the WA system.

Then whoever is ready, willing and able to step up, to do so, at that time.

The purpose of my original blog was/is just to get the conversation started and the thoughts flowing. I would say, "Mission Accomplished!"
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wb5yjs Premium
Yes, it has taken on a life of its own & yes, 'Mission Accomplished'.

Thanks for the kind words BUT I certainly am NOT ready to be a Mentor.

With regards to a "Titled Group"… "Mentor"… I think Kyle & Carson want for WA to continue to be the best on the Web. So, they may see the need & do something about it. That might be their agenda.

I agree with your statement:… All I would want is for them to allow it to happen. Once that is understood, I think it up to us to make it happen. Within the WA system.

Great Minds… (is that us?)
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BrooklynPhil Premium
"Great Minds… (is that us?)"

I would say, that would be you. I'm far too humble and unassuming to include myself... Bwahahahaa!!!
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rebeccas Premium
Phil...what Kyle wrote in his comment to this thread is what I tried to express to you. Mentorship programs in the world of the real estate industry and the split-compensation necessary to make such a personal 1-2-1 relationship work for both parties is not a workable business model in the industry of internet marketing. I would love to mentor/coach and I am well qualified to do so but I cannot make money within the WA system without the sanction of Kyle and Carson.

As a contributing and benefiting WA member I respect the system they have set up. If they choose to set up a "Mentorship" level program, I am on board. I imagine many other long-term WA members will be as well.
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JennPGD Premium
Dear Phil,

I have been 'away' from WA in most of my later months except for some 'emergency' posts/help. It was not my intention to close one eye and ignore what's happening here. I see a lot of pain and sufferings. I see people giving up sooner before even working their butt off. I see achievements and then failure. I see a lot and I feel their pain.

In my earlier involvement, I did what I could to empower and encourage my peers, to be there for them as myself and not someone else.

I always think myself, as "I am forever a student". And that's what I am. I never call myself a mentor or a teacher despite my greater wish and will to lead them to be where they want to be, a success, an achiever.

If you've read my newly written bio, you'll understand where I came from. It wasn't easy but it wasn't hard either. From zero to 6 figures and then I left it so I could go back to where I came from and start all over. I wrote a long note on Steve's question about Ambassador some weeks ago. It was my best honest view on all things, WA and what it gives, my achievements and why I am here.

As I read your post, I did not go and read what others say or what you have in mind. So, this is my pure feedback to your post.

Each one of us is in sales. You and I, she and he, old and young. We are all in sales, although we do not notice that we are in it. We are all a mentor or a mentee. We all have a desire. A desire whether to fall or to rise.

I don't know what Jaws gave you but if it was I, it's never about money or fame or achieving your dreams to have that huge mansion or the jet plane or a Maserati. It's your being, your interests, your lack of it, your abundant blessings or your want and need that I would go for. My concern is not my pocket but it's what you can get from the process. Will you be happy, fulfilled, living a life that you've wanted? Will you keep on making excuses and be at the pit of your most dishonored life?

I have always believed that there is a reason why we are led here. At WA. I never expected and do not expect much from anyone as my 'mentor'. I go for the lessons and I go with my guts that I've always been following all these years. Everybody, or almost everybody, tells you what they want you to do. I, on the other hand, lead my own way. If 99% go to the left, I go with the 1% to the right. If everyone goes for the bucks, I go for my passion.

So, it won't be fun to be with me. As I am tough but I could be overly soft too.

I am not in the position to being a mentor for anyone but if you need a guide, help for a constructive criticism on your website, I'm here. If you look for someone with money on their names, you'll be disappointed that I will not reveal any to you. Go to my one of my past blog posts ('KITB service...', what I shared about people's website - my personal criticism) if that's what you need.

I do not share my own work here and I do not share how much I've earned. It's an excuse for people to see what others do or earn. It's a way for them to see it in a most pessimist way. And I am not going to be the one to create such a negative energy.

As for the ambassadorship, don't worry about it. I was #12 and was not happy as I still felt pain in many others, the fellow WAs.

This is my personal views and thoughts; it has nothing to do with anybody but me. :)

Always,
Jenn
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Jenn, you are a treasure, beyond any doubt. I would love to follow in your footsteps. To be taken by the hand and have you point out all of wonders along the way, would be a most wonderful journey.

Let, me see if I can explain what I want to be for somebody else, that may clarify what I need to learn.

My cousin's daughter is in a lot of pain and stress because she is in a bad place with her career. I was able to get her out of her deep depression in a few minutes by some techniques I showed her. Her attitude was changed, but she was not looking forward to going back to work.

I told her what I was doing and what I expected to happen, I told her if she could be patient, that once I had learned what I needed to be successful with my business that I would show her how to take a subject she liked and turn it into a business she loved.

I could see the "Aha" expression on her face, and she said, "I know exactly what I want to do!" If I were qualified to mentor anyone, I would be starting with her today. All I could say was, "Take a look at my website and be patient". It broke my heart that I didn't know enough to help her immediately.

The only thing that gives me pleasure, is that her depression was gone, she has something to look forward to and start planning for.
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JennPGD Premium
Hi Phil,
I'm humbled, honored and blessed with your beautiful words of encouragement. Let us walk together hand in hand, let us fall, rise, crawl, walk and someday to run and to fly together.

Thank you for sharing about your cousin's daughter. She is a blessed lady to have you around. You are a mentor to her already, just so you know. Being in a depression and stressful situation is not fun. I've been there but was not aware. In fact, I denied. Then, I had to learn by myself to get myself back up. I can understand why she doesn't want to get back to work. And for your info, she is still not out of her 'depression' yet. It will take some time. She has still had that 'fear' in her, that had developed into a phobia. She needs to go through this process, to overcome that obstacle. She has to be the little David to defeat the giant Goliath in her. She has to go through a battle and she will win. With your guidance, I'm sure she WILL.

While you are still working on your website, it would be a great tool to share with her in the future. Presently though, what you can help her is to help her step by step getting her to know more about her Self. Of course she knows what she wants. But that's in her head. She needs to write them down.

Tell her to keep a journal. Tell her to write all her fear, her anger, what upsets her, her wishes. Next, tell her to write down all her qualities, what she's good at, what she wants to share with the world, her passion, her interests, her dreams. Tell her to put ALL these in her journal. That's the first step, Phil.

I'm here if you need more... remember, we're in this together.

Jenn
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BrooklynPhil Premium
"She is a blessed lady to have you around."
I wasn't around for her. I saw her once in the last 13 years, and now twice within the past three weeks. She knows I'm there for her now.

I listened to where she was. I understood why she was depressed, it wasn't just the job, it never is. I asked if she wanted to not be depressed, she said, "Yes". I showed her how to go from depressed to In Powered in less than a minute. I asked her, "Are you depressed now?" she replied, "No, it's impossible". I then asked her, "Can you do the exact same thing anytime you allow yourself to get Depressed, or Stressed, or feel Out Of Control?" Her reply, "Yes, is it really as easy as that?" I said, "No, of course not. You're going to have to get your head out of your ash, and keep it out. You have to understand that Your Past is a bucket of ashes and you're going to have to put it down. Do you agree?" She did.

I wish you could understand what brilliant human being she is. To understand the intelligence and support of her immediate family. It would be beyond the scope of many. Her step father is an illustrious and a very well known physiologist. Still, she feels I have something to offer her. I will not fail her, now that we are back in touch.

How I would love you two to connect at some point. I'm glad I might be in a position to make that happen.

Ohhhhh the possibilities.
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JennPGD Premium
:) Nothing is impossible, Phil.

You're right. You were not there for her before, but you are now. I still think she is blessed to have you around. :)))) (I'm that stubborn, I know.)

Again, thank you for sharing, Phil. What a lovely WA family I have!
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BrooklynPhil Premium
"What a lovely WA family I have!"
Jenn, What a lovely WA family WE have!
It Is The Law...

of Attraction.
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wb5yjs Premium
Within WA, there are Members with the Title - "Ambassador".

"Ambassador" is defined as: "a person who acts as a representative or promoter of a specified activity: i.e. - he is a good ambassador for the industry (or for WA).

"Ambassador" is far different from "Mentor".

"Mentor" is defined as: "an experienced and trusted adviser,
an experienced person who trains and counsels others."

Perhaps WA needs to add a new "Titled Group"… "Mentor".

The "Mentor" "Titled Group" would have:
> Different Qualifications & Requirements
> Different Responsibilities, Motivations, Desires, Abilities & Offerings
> A "Mentor" could be selective as to whom services are offered
> It would be great if 'Members' had the ability to 'Select' a "Mentor"
> This might be a good suggestion for Kyle & Carson to consider

Kyle did the following Post: (shows a desire to improve WA)
https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/kyle/blog/be-an-ambassador-at-wa-in-2014

If enough 'Members' contact Kyle & Carson with this Suggestion & Request, possible WA will undertake a great advancement.

What do you think?

Wally Wiki-Tips
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AngelaHall Premium
I think that is excellent!
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Ken-Pringle Premium
That is a great thought Wally.
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kmer6 Premium
The best suggestion to date. Make it so, number one.. Thank you Wally for your insight and input.
Ken
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wb5yjs Premium
I can not "make it so" by myself. If a large enough number of Members made it known to Kyle & Carson, it might happen.
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AngelaHall Premium
Absolutely. I sent a message to them this morning. Hopefully others will do the same. :)
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wb5yjs Premium
A good procedure would be for Members to forward the IDEA to their entire NETWORK & have all of them make a request to Kyle & Carson.
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kmer6 Premium
Wally does having followers satisfy the definition of having a network?
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wb5yjs Premium
Yes
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kmer6 Premium
So that would only work for people (like me) that have followers. Followers do not know about each other. Isn't that correct?
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AllynBeekman Premium
It takes a while to get through this entire thread and it sure is filled with deep thought.

To be honest, I had no idea that we had someone assigned as a mentor, however, it explains a couple of the "out of thin air" messages I have received offering help. I'll have to go back and PM that person again.

Would a mentor of the ilk Phil describes be helpful and worth money? Most likely. I've been in just over two months, struggled mightily for a few weeks at one point due to being overwhelmed with information and questions, questioned whether my niche could be successful, and come through most of that.

But, I'm still a ways from making my first dime because I still don't have enough content and haven't yet achieved any page 1 rankings (I am hoping this next post will, of course).

Could my journey have been shortened? Perhaps some. It still would have come down to making some decisions and developing content. My mind is quite analytical, so I don't always jump into things until I feel I know enough about the topic. I tend to move along at a steady pace, so a mentor still would have to wait for me to catch up once in a while.

I'll keep in touch with this thread.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Hi Allyn, thanks for your post. Of course we're all different. I work best with the K.I.S.S. formula. I don't need to know the chemical breakdown of an egg to scramble one.

Following the WA lessons, in order and to the letter, along with the tremendous support from the other training and lessons and help from the members, will get you where you want to go. I believe anybody Can succeed at WA, if they are willing to work hard.

I have no problem working hard, what I want is to work smarter. Working with one person who has done it before, and continues to earn a living from their online business. They also must be ready, willing and able to bring somebody up to their level.

In my book, Pull is better than Push. Meaning somebody can you pull you up to their level faster and easier than you can push yourself up the ladder of success. Does that make sense?
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AllynBeekman Premium
Oh, yes! Absolutely, Phil. Pull is always better than push.
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drsusie Premium
I have been following this post, I think I have read just about all of the posts in this thread.

BrooklynPhil, I remember working on my Dissertation for my Doctorate. I started classes in 2001 and finished the classes (all but my 3 dissertation classes) in 2003. I struggled working on my Dissertation because, yes I had a committee of professors (3 to be exact) but they were limited in their time and what their expectations were about just "how much help" they could provide.

In 2006, I realized that I needed more help. I talked to my dissertation chair and he recommended a mentor.

He charged $100.00 per hour and I had to be purchase 5 hour blocks. That was the greatest investment I have ever made. It was tough and it ended up being about $1,500 dollars but that 15 hours of mentoring allowed me to get my dissertation done.

My mentor didn't do the work for me. He had me set goals and be accountable to achieving those goals. When I was confused on a topic, he discussed it with me and then pointed me on where exactly to go to (which book, what page or chapter, etc.) and then answered any questions I had about it.

Through this process I realized something that I had applied to problem solving in the workplace for years.

80% of all problems or issues comes from 20% of whatever application one is dealing with. Address the 20% and then your problems usually end up being around 1 or 2%.

In my case it was the statistics part of the dissertation that was the 20%.

For each individual wanting to become successful in Affiliate Marketing, myself included have their own 20%.

So in my mind finding the right mentor means identifying inside one's self what that 20% is and then seeking out a mentor who can assist with that. Or, finding a mentor to assist one in finding that 20% and then a mentor to assist with that.

For me, I know that 20% has to do with writing my content. I am a very technical person by nature and so is my writing. I know my ability to write content in a "sales funnel" standpoint with calls to actions in the right places is a weakness of mine.

I guess what I am trying to say is that there are many people here at WA with very specific skill sets and maybe there isn't as big of a need for a mentor who is an end all be all Affiliate Marketer. Maybe a pool of mentors with a variety of skill sets might work.

Spread out the workload type thing to get more participation.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
All great ideas.

I have to admit I object in the per hour fee, for the reasons I mentioned to Wally in this thread.

"There is no risk to the person collecting the fee, they're a hired tutor. They get paid if you pass or fail. I pass."

Susie you wrote, "Or, finding a mentor to assist one in finding that 20% and then a mentor to assist with that."

That's what I need/want. Somebody that has a successful online business. Take me from step #1 forward. When I start training or mentoring somebody I start from zero. I show them my way. It's never the only way. But, I know it they do what I do they will make money. Guaranteed!

It's always the KISS formula, not to be condescending, just to make it easier.

I think there should be a Mentor Network, but I prefer to follow one leader, down one path, with one confident voice. The problem is that every one of those mentors will have a different way of doing everything and different priorities. Result, confusion.

"My mentor didn't do the work for me."
"Jaws" didn't do my work either. He just told me what to ask and what to show. Brilliantly I might add.

"I know that 20% has to do with writing my content."
I have no idea what you mean, you write wonderfully. Clear, concise, informative, logical, to the point. I don't see your problem.
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drsusie Premium
My issue is in my writing to get people to take the action steps. Marketing speak if you will.

I also believe in KISS.

I am going to send you a PM
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BrooklynPhil Premium
you got me to take action and reply. ;^)
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drsusie Premium
You are so kind. PM sent check it out
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BrooklynPhil Premium
I think you've got it... How to make people take action... just tell them. Do you see what great mentor I would make?
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Dr. Susie, a pool of mentors, that could
work very well here in this enviroment.
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drsusie Premium
We just need a way to identify "who" wants to do it amongst those who have been there done that and are willing to actually mentor folks
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rebeccas Premium
You dear Dr. Susie hit the nail squarely on the head. I know of coaches who charge well above $100 per hour and are worth every penny for the challenges they help folks overcome that leads them to enormous wealth.

You are also onto a possible solution in thinking about the skill sets that others have which leads them into an area of expertise. To categorize a mentor/coach as a hired tutor is incorrect.

An excellent coach will help you go from where you are to where you want to be not by tutoring but by applying their intuitiveness, creative problem solving, knowledge and skill. Training, tutoring, consulting mentoring and coaching while related are five different professional disciplines.

Technically a mentor is one who influences behaviors and outcomes by virtue of their character, status and demeanor. Coaches teach from the benefit and perspective of their practical experience and knowledge.

A coach may not be able to throw the ball as far and as accurate as the quarterback they are coaching. But they will be able to bring out the absolute best in that quarterback and they will know what to recommend and who he/she needs to see and what they need to do to improve at each level.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Ken, I wanna get out of the pool and onto the Gravy Train with Biscuit Wheels.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Exactly!
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BrooklynPhil Premium
There's an old saying, "Those that can Do, those that can't teach". I want the person that, Can Do It All & Teach It. That's a rare person. That's the person I need, that's the person I want to be.
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Yes Phil, if there were a pool of mentors available here.
Could you not find a mentor for your 20% need?
I believe we need more than one mentor.
I personally have several for different needs.

Ahh... the Gravy Train.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Ken, I agree we need more than one mentor,
"I think there should be a Mentor Network, but I prefer to follow one leader, down one path, with one confident voice. The problem is that every one of those mentors will have a different way of doing everything and different priorities. Result, confusion."

Right now One would be a start.
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Phil, the pool I envision is a pool of mentors with various qualifications.
i.e.: marketing, web design, traffic etc.
One could connect with a mentor for their 20% need.
When that need is met, and they have another need.
Then maybe they connect with another mentor from that
same pool for a different 20% need. Still under one roof.
Convenient and maybe profitable.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Ken, we may have different needs. I like One Stop Shopping. I'm confused enough as it is. ;^)
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Ahhh! yes, but great food for thought, I am going to look into
something this just brought to mind. Great ideas start like this.
Thanks Phil.
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rebeccas Premium
Of course....and the best coaches are those who have the wealth of their experience and success to share with others unlike tutors who excel in academic knowledge without practical experience.
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rebeccas Premium
I have some ideas for you....Making a full time income from affiliate marketing can take awhile. WA training has worked for many without the added expense of a mentor. It's not rocket science but it does take a patient step by step approach which Kyle and Carson provide. Local marketing could be a faster path to full time income. Check out Jay' s excellent training series on local marketing...just another thought to consider.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Rebecca, I don't see a mentor as an expense, I see it as a means to an end.
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rebeccas Premium
It is so true that the greatest investment one can make is an investment in their own improvement and self-development. I've had clients who have doubled, tripled and in some cases even 10X their business revenue as a result of coaching. In those cases, coaching became a worthwhile investment.

But, the level of growth is not the same for all. There are so many factors that impact one's success with coaching/mentoring the biggest of which is the willingness and work ethic of the client.

I have found myself frustrated upon a few occasions when I could see the potential that my client had yet they were unaware of the self-imposed limitations lurking beneath their conscious mind that kept them from the success they so desperately wanted.

Nothing cures desperation like success and sometimes we have to be willing to do some inner work before we can see the progress of our outer work.

There are plenty of WA success stories which attests to the validity of the training. But I do see your point--training and mentoring are not the same.

In the case of online marketing, there are several crucial factors that must be synchronized and I do think that Kyle and Carson have addressed them all in the various levels of training provided. Perhaps a formal proposal with a practical solution to benefit the parties addressed to Kyle and Carson would be the best place to start.
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Christabelle Premium
Wow! You really have a thread going on this one. Bennyfacter just posed a similar question about mentoring. It is definitely something a lot of us have been thinking about! :) Christa
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Christa, it's on a lot of people's minds.
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iArtisan Premium
I'm on board.

To those who are interested... If you're committed and serious, I can be the Mick for your inner Rocky. If you want to eat lightning and crap thunder as an affiliate, then I'll help you get your title shot. ;)
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BrooklynPhil Premium
I'm Ready! Cut Me Mick! When do we start?
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tmamarketing Premium
I am not offering to be a mentor either....but my specific question is.."what are you missing? maybe have the owners address it in a course.... just my thoughts...
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BrooklynPhil Premium
I've got enough courses, lessons, training sessions, tutorials and offers for help. What I need is a way to pull it all together.

I happen to think the fastest most effective way to do that is, to find a person that's getting the results that you want, and have them show you step by step, how they did it. Does that make sense?
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tmamarketing Premium
Yes, it does... just wondering if we could get a training module to cover that... that's all...
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hildacbg Premium
Phil, what you suggest in this post is a really interesting idea. I have been kindly mentored by many people here. I am not sure I can mentor yet and I will surely grow a lot faster with one on one mentorship. Thanks for thinking about this! Blessings!
Hilda
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Hilda, thank you for your post. You wrote, "I have been kindly mentored by many people here." I have to wonder what you mean.

I have been helped by folks on WA that went out of their way to help me, advise me, point me in the right direction, even one to the trouble of making a video tutorials. Seriously above and beyond what anyone could expect.

But, none of them are my mentor, friends and teachers, yes. But, not a mentor, that has let me maximize my potential, and directed me to success. It's just not a part of the plan.
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hildacbg Premium
You are right Phil. I stand corrected. Blessings!
Hilda
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Hilda, I wasn't trying to correct you. You may have very well been 'mentored' here at WA. I was just saying that I have not. Phil
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hildacbg Premium
No, Phil. After your explanation I saw things more clearly and you are right on the distinctions you made. Thanks!
Hilda
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llopez Premium
I know I could definitely use a mentor and would definitely be willing to pay a part of my commission for that service.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Thanks Linda, I hope the powers that be understand the need.
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KatieMac Premium
Sounds like a great set up
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KLewis Premium
Hello Phil,Maybe you can get Jay to speak about a Mentor program.
This way you would gain much more input.Just a thought.If one works hard enough on something,As what you are wanting to do.More power to you.Done deal.
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drsusie Premium
Great idea.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
I'm sure Jay, Kyle and Carson all have their own agenda.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
I want to dispel any idea that I’m am trying to overthrow the government of WA. I’m not. I am trying to work within the system. If hypothetically, I have an idea that might improve the lot of others, and hurt nobody, I should have the right to voice it.

What I was proposing was a win - win program between Mentor and Mentee. But, not at the expense or detriment of Kyle & Carson, far from it. This is the way I see it, WA wants to promote a Scam Free online business model. I liked that, that’s why I’m here. Why would I want to change that?

I want to make this more profitable for all involved, no hype, no scam. If somebody could take me and my online business to being successful in less time than I could do it on my own. That’s a huge benefit. Would you agree?

If I could take what I’ve learned building my business and pass it on to the next person, and they profited. That would also be a benefit. Right? What do you think the testimonials would read like?

Now, you’re probably asking, “Yeah, but what’s in it for WA and Kyle & Carson?” Am I correct?

At first I was thinking, yeah they are the house, there’s got to be a “rake”. Or somebody has to get greased. But, then I thought, “Hey, they do benefit!”

It was that, “Aha!” moment you hear about all of the time. The average person that goes Premium stays about 3 months and then for one reason or another drops off the face of the Earth (let’s not speculate why).

Now, let’s say because of being mentored, they has a successful online business (what a concept). Their mentor was here. Their friends and community were here. Wouldn’t they stay. Wouldn’t the first hard cash they brought in go to the house, for a Yearly Memebersip? Are you with me?

So, now everybody is happy, it’ a win-win-WA win.

What is the downside to allowing Mentors?
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AngelaHall Premium
I think it's a great idea. If I had someone who showed me how to bring in the money, I would sign up for a year, every year. AND I would want to pay it forward as often as possible.
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drsusie Premium
I sincerely hope my post didn't make you think I was in any way, shape or form, thinking you weren't being supportive of WA.

I agree wholeheartedly with your idea.
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Phil, I totally agree. That is a true Win, Win, Win!
There are no downsides. Only benefit for all.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
I didn't think that for one second. I'm so glad we're in agreement. But, friends can disagree and still be friends.

I'm in sales, part of what I do is to write sales presentations. I have to write both sides of the presentation. If I say this, they're response could/should be this, and so on until the close.

So, when I write here or on my website, I'm always saying to myself after every sentence, "What are they thinking, and what will their response be?" Of course I'm leading them where I want them to go.

I want the final question to have only one reasonable answer, "Yes, that makes sense, where do I sign?"
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Right! That's the only reasonable thing to do.
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kmer6 Premium
Mr Phil, the squeaky wheel gets oiled first and I feel a disturbance in the force. Let us know how things are going. May the force be with you...
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Star Wars! I second that The Force be with you.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Ken, I'm not looking to blow up the WA Death Star, I live here. I'm just looking for Yoda, for some guidance. Is that a crime?

Yoda: No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.

Trust me when I pull this off, it won't be a secret.
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Excellent Phil. Even Master Yoda did nothing alone.
As for a secret, no you are right the Force will know.
I love your sense of humor. As well as your writings.
Be Blessed my friend.
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drsusie Premium
Wow I love this thread!
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BrooklynPhil Premium
check you PM
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BrooklynPhil Premium
That makes me so happy to read.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
right back at ya.
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drsusie Premium
This is an exceptional idea in my mind. I too am at a mentee level that would love to have a mentor. I would also be willing to pay based on success level at a percentage point.

I noticed some Ambassadors have posted to this thread and I appreciate their communicating that they are were we are at too.

One thing of note is that Kyle, Carson, and Jay have not chimed in. I realize they are extremely busy and that they do participate a lot.

I wonder if a PM to one or all of them might be something that they could consider as adding to the overall WA curriculum. They are the one's who are in the best position to identify and encourage and/or brainstorm with those here at WA that would be at a level to be able to be mentors. Maybe something that could be added to the Las Vegas agenda. After all those who will be in attendance have achieved success.

This approach would also take care of the "no spam" conflict of WA members not being able to promote to other WA members.

Just an idea.
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Susie, a very good idea indeed, great new addition to WA.
I have tossed this idea around in my own group as well.
Phil, you started something, Way to go ;-)
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BrooklynPhil Premium
I am quite sure nothing is going to happen without Kyle & Carson's stamp of approval.
I was really just trying to find out, who was available for a Mentor program like I suggested and who would likewise be interested.

I still don't have a mentor, and I'm not far enough along to be a mentor. So, at the moment contacting the powers that be would make little sense.

Back to the books.
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MarionBlack Premium
We already have mentors although they are not one-on-one. Kyle, Carson and Jay as well as countless others who write blogs, answer questions and share their knowledge are mentors in my book. I recommend Jay's training, in particular his latest: https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/training/6-week-schedule-to-profits to everyone who needs help. Please tell me the 4 questions "Jaws" taught you to ask, as an ex-real estate person I am dying to know. ~Marion
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Marion, the training and support at WA is outstanding. It is not One on One Mentoring. When I first started I estimated three months to learn the skills I would need to have a successful online business. I'm starting to think it may take longer than that.

With a mentor working with me one on one I think that time could be cut in half at least. Jay in his last online class is "Six Weeks to Profits" do you think with Jay working with somebody one on one the process could be speeded up?

I know that WA has grown past the point where Kyle, Carson and Jay can do one on one mentoring. The countless others who write blogs, answer questions and share their knowledge are Teachers. As excellent as they may be there is a huge difference between a teacher and a mentor. Would you agree?

There is obviously not enough mentors to meet the demand of those that want or need one. That indicates to me a huge need and therefore a huge market potential.

Wether I get a mentor or learn to do this on my own, in the back of my mind I'm always going to be thinking "How Can I Make This Easier For Somebody Else?" If I'm successful I will have no problem attracting a mentee.

I'll say it again, in all modesty, when I get this down I will be able to mentor a house plant how to build and run a successful online business. I will guarantee results or I will not take on a mentee.

If they don't make money, I don't get paid. How is that?

I've worked Straight Commission most of my adult life. I like getting paid exactly what I'm worth. I wish the whole world was on straight commission, especially Congress. ;^)
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MarionBlack Premium
Great answer, Phil. I think I'd better get through the training a bit faster so I can become a Mentor and earn extra money doing that. I already have a website devoted to blogging with WordPress so that's a start: 333websites.com
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Marion, absolutely great stuff on your website. I couldn't take it all in at one time. All I could do was bookmark it for future reference.

If you were my mentor, you could say, "This is what you need to focus on right now. This is what you need to do". The simpler you made each step the more likely I would get it done. One on One, Step by Step.

That's how I learn, that's how I teach. Don't do as I say, do what I do. If you do, you will make money, and if you don't that's my fault, not yours. Fair enough?
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MarionBlack Premium
I always teach step-by-step and my readers let me know that the steps are easy to follow. I try to put myself in their shoes and break it down so that they can absorb it even if it's a brand new concept to them. That can be a bit of a juggling act as I don't want to "talk down" to anyone but I want to make sure I don't leave anything out.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
I teach the same way.
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wb5yjs Premium
How about some ‘What-If’ thinking outside the box:
(Group Mentorship vs. One-On-One Mentorship)

‘What-If’ a restricted number of Mentees formed a ‘Group’?
‘What-If’ these Mentees offered to hire a Mentor for the ‘Group’?
‘What-If’ the Mentees paid a monthly fee for Group Membership?
‘What-If’ the Mentor accepted the total monthly fees as payment?

There could be more than one & differing ‘Mentorship Groups’.
Each Group could have different Rules, Agenda, Members & Mentor.

A Mentorship Group could have a structure like a Corporation with the ability to Interview, Hire & Fire ‘The Mentor’ (CEO)… & have a ‘Board-Of-Directors’ to set the Group Rules & Govern.

The Mentor would have a predetermined Payment/Benefit.
The Mentee would have a predetermined Cost.
Both the Mentor & Mentee would have the ability to stay or leave.

This is just my “Embryonic Seed” for Thought.
We might ‘Fertilize & Water’ it and come up with a ‘Fruit Plant’.

What are your Additions, Opinions, Questions, Thoughts, etc. ?

Wally – at https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/wb5yjs
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Wally, I know you are a person that could make this happen. I see no problem with working with a smaller group inside the larger group of WA.

It is not however what I need or want. I also don't want to pay a fee to somebody whether I make money or not. There is no risk to the person collecting the fee, they're a hired tutor. They get paid if you pass or fail. I pass.

I'm not only stating what I want in a mentor, I'm setting the terms I would want mentor with. I want a Mentor that can teach me how to be a Mentor as well. So I can teach my Mentee to be a Mentor.

It's an old concept and an excellent way to Master a subject, it's called SODOTO. See One, Do One, Teach One. Add to that One-On-One, that's what I want and that's what I want to offer.

Not a corporation with a CEO or Board Of Directors, but a Mentor Network. Not built on trust, but Results. No Results No Pay.

Does that work for you?
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wb5yjs Premium
I can see 'Pros' & 'Cons' for both approaches.

I just wanted to throw out another way for consideration & discussion.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Wally, I hope you know how much respect and admiration I have for who you are and what you know.

Of course I would consider very carefully anything you proposed. Because I'm sure anything you propose you can deliver on. I know that.

It is not however what I'm looking for. It's not what I want to offer. I hope you can respect that.

You will of course be able to bring in a lot more people a lot sooner with your offer. That's a good thing.

I hope we can remain friends. I plan to read every word you write and apply everything I can.
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wb5yjs Premium
NO FAIL - NO PAIN !!!

The 'Respect' is mutual.

'Friendship' is intact.

Bouncing off each other is Mutually Beneficial.

Upward & Onward.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Yes, thank you.
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hakemp001 Premium
So it looks like you and I were thinking on the same page today my friend :) I love this!!

I actually believe that I am both qualified to be a mentor, however, there is always something to learn as well. We can definitely work together on this.....
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Heather, Great Minds think alike. I'll PM you later to get the ball rolling. Phil
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Sui_generis Premium
That would be a great idea. The Ambassador program is merely an indicator of how much you're engaged in the community. Unfortunately it does NOT denote skill level Many of us are still learning although, speaking for myself, have come a long way.

It seems that the original plan was that the person that brought you in would also mentor you. In my case, that didn't happen although I know some that were brought in by a guy named Eddy have been lucky in that respect. I understand that he has been the mentor or the "Jaws" that you described. I would say that there are a few people on WA that I would trust and who's opinion I also pay attention to and value but I don't know if they are interesting in a contractual agreement for lack of a better term. Will PM you. ~Debbi
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gohealthy Premium
I wish I have somebody to look into my website. To tell me what I'm lacking, how I can improvise to monetize. Isn't this our motive of being here. At least to most if not all.
If the 1st generation has to go through hard times to get there, I think the new generation should be spared that. There should be a system to link this. Mentor Mentee ? Possible...
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BrooklynPhil Premium
It's possible, why not?
So, far I haven't seen a Mentor step up.
Several of us would like to, but don't feel qualified.
That's where we are.
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rebeccas Premium
Your thought Phil is one that coaches such as myself would applaud. What you are proposing is a growth and compensation model that has produced excellent results in the professional industries because of the ease of sharing commissions from those who are licensed and then connected via a brokerage relationship that allows for such compensation.

In the private sector, professional coaches are paid from the investment their "mentees" make in themselves with the coach standing shoulder to shoulder with them. The point of course, is there must be mutual benefit to be gained from the mentor/mentee relationship in order for the motivation to be mutual.

It is unfortunate that some in the internet marketing world have come along who offer a type of coaching that is not a true 1-2-1 relationship. And there are many who take the term "coaching" very lightly and thus do a dis-service to the profession. I for one think the whole world could benefit from the kind of coaching that takes a real interest in the developmental goals of the "mentee" as opposed to just furthering the financial cause of the "mentor".

Whereas Kyle and/or Carson used to be the "coach" for all Premium WA members, it has become impossible for them to spend the kind of 1-2-1 time with individuals to truly satisfy the demand. It is apparent from the WA structure that the way Kyle and Carson have elected to solve the challenge with thousands of new members is to broaden the "Ambassador" program.

WA Ambassadors are offered ambassador days toward a trip to Vegas and/or other rewards for anyone who shares the benefit of their knowledge to help others along the way in their learning curve. I have no knowledge of what Kyle means when he says "there will be other rewards".

I like your idea, but I am not sure how it would work in the current WA structure. To me, mentoring is serious business and it requires a serious commitment of time and money from both parties.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Rebecca, I am so pleased that you replied to this thread. From reading your blogs there are few people at WA I respect more. While you're here let me thank you personally.

If I could pick and choose who I would want to mentor me, you would be very high on that list. Because, like Melody, you wouldn't take on the assignment without your confidence that you could deliver, or under promise and over-deliver.

Which is exactly what I did with my trainees/ mentees. I would guarantee a 50% Closing Rate, when I knew the actual percentage was right around 85%.

If I were qualified, I know I would do this in a heartbeat. I've said several times, that when I get this down, and I mean really down... I'll be able to teach a house plant how to do this.

Why in your opinion isn't anybody at WA offering their services to do this?
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rebeccas Premium
As WA members, we are are not allowed to market our services to the membership. There are a number of WA members who have enough experience to mentor.

BTW...questions are powerful...especially when they lead to engaging conversations.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
"As WA members, we are are not allowed to market our services to the membership."

Now that's interesting, so I couldn't use any other members services, no matter what they were?
I had better stop looking at their websites, huh.

So, I can Recruit somebody, but Not Mentor them.
Somehow that doesn't seem right.
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rebeccas Premium
From what I understand, WA members are free to promote anything on their own websites but I could not write a blog promoting any affiliate link other than WA or overtly solicit coaching clients via the WA membership. I will send you a PM.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
" I will send you a PM."
Yes, please.
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sashamanning Premium
You need to be mentor and you're in NY lol winwin
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KLewis Premium
I agree with Rebecca, Every company that is out there comes down to how much money can we make.It is all about sales.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Sasha, I need to get qualified to do this, first.
I'm trying to get the people that are qualified to step up.
Or find out why they aren't.

Inquiring minds want to know... right?
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Ken, I'm going to have to come clean, as much as I like you folks, I'm here to make money, and the sooner the better.

Sales to me is not a dirty word. I think it's what makes the world go around.

How about you?
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KLewis Premium
Phil, I get it. Do you think that WA. is different.....Hello............I am on your side...............
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Ken, I think it is way different.

I said before.
Can I do this on my own in the WA system? I believe I can.
Can I get there Faster with a Mentor? I believe I could.
Most people want to get there sooner rather than later.

Gee I love when I get to quote myself. :^)
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KLewis Premium
Phil,Not sure to what their rules are. Send me a PM. I will maybe sign up.If the price is right.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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BrooklynPhil Premium
No Ken, I'm not trying to Recruit a mentee, I promise you I am not qualified as yet to be anybodies Mentor. I will get there someday.
I would get there faster with a Mentor of my own.

I asked Angela before, Hypothetically.... If I could offer to mentor you to $1000 in Nov. what percentage would you be willing to pay to get there? Remember no income for you means no percentage to the mentor.
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Truth is without sales you do not have a business.
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KLewis Premium
Hey Phil, I am pretty sure that this would work.Great Blog.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Apprenticeships and Mentoring, have been the way people learned a trade forever. It does work. If the right people do it.
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OgGrover Premium
Phil, I offered you an ''Ambassaborship'' yesterday you wanted the ''top hat and sach'' but not the ambassaborship. You offered me a ''mentorship'' with your post and I accepted, it has value.

I came to the campus as ''Grasshopper''. I've learned from many, a little bit here and a little there. A day will come and I will take the ''pebble from Kyle's hand''. Kyle & Carson are my sponsor. The hooked me with there 'scam site' deep in the heart of Texas.

Here is the principle of mentorship I preceed is at WA ''from each according to their ability, to each according to their need''.

''You can get everything in life you want if you just help enough other people get what they want.'' (Napoleon Hill)

Now I don't know enough about the metrics of WA to reinvent the wheel. I am following you and awaiting to know the ''4 questions''
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Grover, I know you are a student of the Art of the Sale. I would be surprised if you didn't know the exact questions or some derivation of them.

Grasshopper, I will PM you the answer to this riddle in one hour.
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cookma54 Premium
I really like that idea ... I am learning the book stuff slowly ... but I could really benefit from a mentor. Down the road I would also like to be a mentor. M
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BrooklynPhil Premium
I think you would be great. Because I don't think you would offer your services until you were sure you were Great!
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cookma54 Premium
I also would like to know the 4 questions. I am a big fan ... of mentoring, coaching, etc. and would be more than happy to help develop some kind of "matching" program within WA. M
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Melody, I'm PMIng you now.
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cookma54 Premium
Thanks.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
There appears to be no shortage of people that want a mentor. We do seem to be lacking qualified Mentors.

I know like several other that have posted here, that are willing to help for free, but hesitate to say we're qualified to be a mentor.

Supply and Demand dictate a Qualified Mentor can charge a Premium Prices. Good to know.
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tmmom Premium
Phil, I think this is a great idea and wonderful post. Mentors are used all the time in Corporate America and they say you should have three: One who is at a higher level in the organization, one that is a peer, and a third that is outside of the organization.

I'd gladly offer to help but I don't have the knowledge to mentor anyone right now, as I've barely got my own sites coming together! I know someone here will step up for you!
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BrooklynPhil Premium
I hope so we have a lot of Mentees lining up for help.
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Matu Premium
Hi Phil great article and I'm curious what were the 4 questions you learned from "Jaws"?
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BrooklynPhil Premium
I've been waiting for somebody to ask.
Matu, I'm not going to keep you hanging for long, but I want to see if anybody know the 4 Questions. They would have to know, because nobody is going to guess them.
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Matu Premium
Very nice anticipation Phil :-)
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BrooklynPhil Premium
check your PM
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Skip2tsr Premium
Hey Phil, I'm going to give you my two cents worth and it isn't worth as much as it used to be.

First, you would think that the person that recruited you to WA would assume the role of Mentor. However, in most cases you get a follow up message saying thanks for joining and then a second message prompting you to become a premium member. In my case that was the last I heard from the guy and I would suspect the same with many others as well.

Second, over the last year or so, mentors were a very big part of the up sell for many of the get rich quick promotions and it came at a steep price. While most would love to have a mentor, I think its association with those types of promotions have given it a bad rap.

Third, I think WA was set up to teach, and then those that learn from the classes, can assist other having trouble catching on. It seems to be working. Reading blogs responses and answers to classroom questions, you can find members that have been at WA for some time and are knowledgeable. However, they are like the medical profession, they specialize. Bo the web guy for Facebook, TJ-Books for the business side, leo emery, for everything Google and WA, and then there are some that are great at boosting everyones moral. You have to search them out.

Fourth, Reading some of the posts and blogs that appear here on WA, I would say many are investing, what to them, is a substantial sum, to be premium members each month in order to have access to the classrooms, tutorials, and webinars.

It is nice to see this type of question put out to the community. It keeps things fresh.

Didn't mean to hijack your post, Phil. You know you can PM me anytime.
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AngelaHall Premium
Excellent points. The person I signed up with disappeared after my welcome messages too.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Skip, first of all No Hijack, good input.
1. Sounds like you had the same recruiter as I did. I said the other day, my guy wouldn't pee on me if I caught fire, let alone show me anything. He did his part, I'm grateful.

2. Why should mentors be connected with Scams and not Corporate America as Sandra pointed out?

3. People come here to Learn How To Make Money. I don't know about you, but the faster the better for most of us.

I'm looking for someone with all of the skill sets needed to make n-money with an online business. But, more important to pass that knowledge on to the next person.

4. I hear you, but as Angela points out "In my eyes, I have nothing to lose. It's payment on contingency like in a lawsuit."

It doesn't cost the Mentee or the Mentor one ¢.

As Einstein said - "Information Is Not Knowledge" nor is it "Experience" - BrooklynPhil

Your honor I rest my case.
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hakemp001 Premium
I don't even remember who it is that "recruited" me in.

One thing that has always stuck with by one of my Mentors, Richard Dennis. In MLM and affiliate marketing, if you want to retain good people you want to "Sponsor" them, meaning that once you have brought them in, you take that time and care to show them how to make it work, otherwise all you are is a recruiter.

A recruiter is someone who sells, sells, sells, and really does not care how those they have brought in succeed. Just as long as they are making their money.

I personally would much prefer to be sponsor!
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BrooklynPhil Premium
"A recruiter is someone who sells, sells, sells, and really does not care how those they have brought in succeed. Just as long as they are making their money."

It appears that this is accepted, and endorsed, and mentoring is not.
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CarlaIves Premium
Sounds good! I'm nowhere near that level of expertise yet, though. Maybe in a year or so. I have so much to learn. And, BTW, an ambassador just has to be willing to help. It's a rank based strictly on social engagement. If it were based on knowledge of websites and affiliate marketing, I'd be applying for your new program right now. ;)
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Carla, you are the best.
You would be worth 75% just to hang with... lol

Oh, and it's not My Program... It's a Fishing Trip... so far... no nibbles.
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CarlaIves Premium
Build it and they will come. Now where did I hear that before? LOL
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AngelaHall Premium
I think it is a wonderful idea. It would be great to have someone 'on hand' with knowledge and advice to get you started. One on one would be great!
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Yeah, it would.
But, of course somebody has to step up to the Mentor Role.

If it became a Bidding War for a Mentor, How High Would You Go?
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AngelaHall Premium
I wouldn't care to be a mentor at some point. I just don't feel I know enough to be all that beneficial right now.
Hmmm, a bidding war. Well, I'm not sure. I guess I probably wouldn't want to go more than maybe 30%. That's what you meant right?
I mean, we are here for a reason, to make an online business and to make money.
I guess if it was short term I might go higher. Say 40% for the first 30 days and then 25% for the next couple of months. Anyway, that's my 2 cents. :)
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Angela, thank you it was worth more than 2¢.
I would not like be a mentor right now either. I couldn't guarantee that I'll make $1,000 myself next month.

So, if you had a Mentor with a proven track record and they said, "Angela, I like your style, I can show you how to earn $5,000 in Nov. I'm going need 30 days and a 50% Fee".

What would you do?
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AngelaHall Premium
I would do it. If they are sure they can make me even $200, I would do it. I mean, right now I'm making nothing. If my mentor can show me, motivate me, and hold me accountable (push me); then I say it's worth 50% of what they show me how to make.
In my eyes, I have nothing to lose. It's payment on contingency like in a lawsuit.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Exactly, 50% of something is better than 100% of Nothing.

I'm not sure if $200 would entice the person that could really deliver.
Who knows...maybe...
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AngelaHall Premium
lol, true. I was just meaning if they can show me how to make any money then I would be ecstatic!
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kmer6 Premium
That is a very good idea but I have no clue how to efficiently institute such a proposal. I know I need a mentor. I help other members here but only on the issues that I have experience in solving. I do try though. I believe in paying it forward, planting a seed, then in the future reap the harvest.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Yes, I agree 100%. I think this is an excellent community of wonderful people. Intelligent, hardworking, helpful, friendly outgoing.

I'd still like a Mentor. I think you might as well.

Let's see if there are any Mentors that step up to the plate.
I have a feeling they are going to be very, very popular.
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kmer6 Premium
I am with Mr OgGrover... what were the four questions?
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BenORourke Premium
Interesting points Phil. But is not the training here our mentor? If followed correctly that is.
The only benefit I could see would be a mentor getting you earning money quicker, but how to do that?

Would the mentor select the niche and jump-start it for you to where it has ranked and started earning?
Would love to see this fleshed out a little more.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Good questions Ben, a Mentor starts from where you are. They would work in conjunction with the lessons, to make sure you got the essence of them. The Core Knowledge Base.

They Advise, and Direct you in the Path of Least Resistance.
They're not supposed to be omnipotent, but they should be able to get you where you need to get to.

Yes, it is a Jump Start to Earnings.
No earnings, no 25%.

I would tell my mentees, "If you're not earning... It's my fault...You Can't Fail"
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BenORourke Premium
Phil, if I can mentor myself to $1000 a month then I would gladly help someone do the same. But I do believe anyone here can do this for themselves.
It was pointed out that it could take up to a couple of months. It was suggested to have the courage to change tact if your initial niche was not working.
Personally when I have to pay a monthly premium to learn I am more focused to do so. Give me the information in a free ebook and I don't even read it. The very first dollar you get is the defining moment, the point at which you realise that this does work. It is by far the hardest dollar to make.
I believe I have to put in the hard work myself. There is more than enough help here for getting that first dollar.

In the meantime you could check this out as a real world example:
http://www.nichepursuits.com/niche-site-project-1-overview/
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Ben, when I started at WA, I projected 3 months to start earning. If I could have found a mentor in September (and I looked) I would have signed up.

Can I do this on my own in the WA system? I believe I can.
Can I get there Faster with a Mentor? I believe I could.
Most people want to get there sooner rather than later.

Pull is better than Push. Meaning somebody can pull you up to their level faster than You can Push yourself up to that Level.

Do you believe that is true?
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BenORourke Premium
I believe I learn better from the mistakes I make. I do know what you mean though. I wonder do all the successful ones graduate away from WA?
There is one person mentoring anyone who signs up under him to their first sale.
I would be happy with that.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Ben, whatever floats your boat.
I don't know where they go, I know they haven't popped their fuzzy little heads up here yet.
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BrooklynPhil Premium
"How Valuable are You"
My self worth I put a very high value on.
My value as a Mentor here on WA, hardly anything. I'm in the Mentee position at the moment.
I need a Mentor, that understands the real meaning of what a Mentor is supposed to be.

I Need A WA "Jaws".

Do you know of any?
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mlshands Premium
I understand we are assigned a mentor but I have never been able to find out who my mentor is. It has really been on my mind since I read your last post about mentoring. I do want to get to the point that I can mentor someone but, right now, I need someone to go to. Doing it all on my own is tough. It's only this community that keeps me going sometimes. I feel like I have a thousand mini-mentors and it has been my saving grace. I've said this before, I think you will make an excellent mentor one day!
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BrooklynPhil Premium
"I understand we are assigned a mentor"
That's news to me.
The problem I see with 1000 mini-mentors is you can get 1000 different opinions, and you've got to figure out who to trust and who to follow.
Give me one Mentor please.
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mlshands Premium
I thought we were assigned one. Maybe I misunderstood. I do pay attention to everyone's opinion and realize not all of them are in my best interest to follow. That being said, I have gotten new perspectives from people and that is very valuable!
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Beyond any doubt.
But how many times have you been taken down a blind alley, even with the best intentions and all of the experience you could hope for?
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jazminf Premium
I think that's an awesome idea, Mentors could mentor as many they can handle and in time the mentees can become mentors to a group of newbies and on and on. Win win for everyone:) Great post Phil:)
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BrooklynPhil Premium
Thank You, doesn't one Go To Expert and Friend, sound like the way to do this?
What would it be worth to you?
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jazminf Premium
I absolutely agree with you Phil, That does sound like the way to go.
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JeanR Premium
Wow Phil..interesting , mentors are valuable, so, How Valuable are You
Much Success
Jean '
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