Click Funnels?

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Hi Guys! I have a question for you all. Who here uses Click funnels to drive sales to their blog or affiliate products?

I have been looking into Russels system which looks great but the price per month is a little expensive.

An interesting topic I read the other day mentioned that blogs are not designed to sell, they are designed to create followers, that's it.

So after spending hours creating free content for users and hoping that someone see's your post you may get a follower.

As you look at most blogs I can see what they mean. Most have no call to actions, some don't even have a link to a service or product.

We all have an email sign up page but all we really offer is some tips or updates which most people these days just ignore.

What I am trying to get at is are bloggers really trying to make money or just get traffic?

There is no use getting 100,000 visitors a month and making 1 sale, you are better off with 2000 visitors a month of super targeted traffic and 20 sales.

Have we got it all wrong? Are we just chasing followers?

I will look into this further, I think I am onto something that 90% of bloggers are doing wrong!

We all want to make money from our blog but are we going about it the slow way and missing out on a tonne of sales.

Stay tuned for my updates, I have a plan.

Cheers, thanks for listening.

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To me everything I do is geared toward making money.

Money!!!

If someone gets 100,000 visitors a month and only makes 1 sale, their content is most likely gibberish, in other words, there is no way you will be getting 1 sale from 100,000 visitors. Even with a pathetic CR of 0.001, you'll get 100 sales. Also, don't forget stuff like display ads which should bring at least a few grand a month even if they are not placed strategically.

Clickfunnels is simply a tool, you could create the same stuff using WordPress at a fraction of the price and also Clickfunnels is useless for SEO.

If you want quick super targeted traffic, there is only one way to do that and that is through paid ads. If you have a few grand to spare, you are most likely better off learning how to drive traffic through paid ads, but if you don't, then SEO and Social Media are your best options.

Unless you have thousands to spend on ads, don't fall for the hype of Clikfunnels and their OFA challenge.

Minhaj,

Thanks for your perspective, I would have elected to remain silent, yet out of a sense of providing a balanced view, I will chime in and I will reply to your comment.

For clarity's sake, let me say that I am NOT defending, promoting or otherwise advertising ClickFunnels or any other product here.

Therefore, the discussion here is on the merits or lack thereof or two systems or methods: 1. website+blog+SEO+keywords, and 2. ClickFunnels and/or funnels in general. The paid or non paid traffic is a variable which can work with and help out both strategies.

As to your comment focused on Kristine's first point and question in her post above:

"What I am trying to get at is are bloggers really trying to make money or just get traffic?

There is no use getting 100,000 visitors a month and making 1 sale, you are better off with 2000 visitors a month of super targeted traffic and 20 sales."

Let us assume that tens of thousands of us here at WA are in the same exact niche and share most if not the same keywords, follow proper SEO techniques, strive to rank on Google page 1, etc. [this doesn't include the hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions non WA members doing the same exact thing for the almost same exact niche and keywords] So, knowing that for every conceivable niche, Google page 1 has only 8 - 12 spots, many of which are almost certainly taken up by giant companies, sponsored ads, etc. given the ratio of all possible marketers in that niche, what are the mathematical chances of most of them not only to making it on Google page 1, but also actually getting real conversions from implementing method 1.?

The second point, which I have elaborated in reply to ManjoyV1's comment here , there are fairly affordable non ClickFunnels funnels, inexpensive and even FREE tools, systems and strategies which will place the funnel in the middle of a blue ocean and a receptive audience, without the necessity of having to have or to increase an ad spend budget.

Last but not least, both ClickFunnels and its OFA are not only very successful [I am not speaking in terms of ROI for ClickFunnels here] for the members who used and implemented them and within whose ranks multiple 2 Comma Club winners emerged in the past and continue to emerge as we speak and in the future and, in light of that, can we track any pure, non corporate users of system 1. who have, are or will continue to be in the same tiers and ranks with the 2 Comma Club winners?

I think that in the final analysis or comparison between methods 1. and 2., when leaving passions and opinions aside, the math wins in the end, because it is not built on anything but the results and ratios.

At least Kristine has opened up this dialogue, one which may result in many of us here agreeing to disagree. That is better than no dialogue at all, and the persistence of false assumptions, for either of the two methods.

We may disagree with the math, but the math is cold, lacks passion and only counts results not assumptions.

Spoiler alert; math always wins in the end, regardless of our opinions or feelings.

Thanks for your contribution to this discussion.

Blessings!

Ummm, not quite.

If a blogger is providing informational content or any content that is not optimized to pre-sell a product, then they will GENERALLY have low conversion rates.

Great point!

Thanks for the post there, you got me thinking about my approach.

Thank you for sharing...

Good post.
We blog and gain followers for the ones that do click on the links and follow through but to me its the social media that produces the sales.
You add hashtags to make people notice notice. Such as #MustHave #AmazingBargain #Sale #FreeTraining #GenuineOppurtunity etc. Then those that are looking pick up on those and click the links.
Build the followers and the sales follow. Work at gaining enough followers and itbtakes on a life of its own to continue to grow.

I still find that social is a bit shallow, people who are on social want to stay on there. Links don't perform well especially for travel bloggers.

It can be very shallow, depends whether you have a majority of other small businesses or individual people. Most of mine are small businesses, journalists, authors, bloggers, marketers and a few bigger businesses, obviously some individuals too. Bt business people are more single minded and help each other if they can. If I get asked about something I don't do, then I pint them in the direction of someone who does and often had the same thing done for me..

Both blogs and Clickfunnel pages can be effective in selling products but you need to understand the basic difference.

Blogs are rich with informational content and traffic is driven through searches based on what people type in when they need some help or information i.e. through the process of SEO, as taught here in the WA training.

SEO traffic is free and will convert depending on the keywords that you have used and the content that you have published.

Clickfunnels is a tool to create funnels. A funnel could be a part of a blog but it cannot take the place of a blog, because the front end of a funnel is only a sales page or an opt-in page designed to capture email addresses.

More importantly, a sales page or opt-in page cannot attract traffic on its own because it has very little content. Hence you will need to promote it which means that you have to be an expert in paid advertising like Facebook Ads or Bing Ads to get good conversions that are able to offset the cost that you incur on publishing ads.

If you prefer free traffic you can use SEO techniques taught in the training. But if you feel paid traffic is the way to go you can start using advertising platforms.

I have used paid traffic in the past and you need to be prepared to incur heavy losses before your ads start working for you - and that when you have a good knowledge of the platform first.

Paid traffic does save time and effort, but is the next step once you have an established website, or a high quality digital/physical product that people are looking for.

Well said and on target.

Thank you

Laura

Thanks for reading my post. By the way I added the last line after reading your reply, which I felt would sum it up, especially for those who are also interested in knowing more about the same question.

I only agree in part with your take on the blogs vs ClickFunnels, or funnels in general.

"Clickfunnels is a tool to create funnels. A funnel could be a part of a blog but it cannot take the place of a blog, because the front end of a funnel is only a sales page or an opt-in page designed to capture email addresses.

More importantly, a sales page or opt-in page cannot attract traffic on its own because it has very little content. Hence you will need to promote it which means that you have to be an expert in paid advertising like Facebook Ads or Bing Ads to get good conversions that are able to offset the cost that you incur on publishing ads."

As to the first quoted paragraph, if the final desired result is to generate sales/revenue, it is irrelevant that a funnel cannot replace a blog, since no one really blogs for the sake of blogging, surely not entrepreneurs or marketers, unless they intend to share FREE value content with their community or the audience at large. In addition, the front end of the funnel can contain an outright CTA/checkout and not just an opt-in to capture an E-mail address. The CTA/checkout section and the opt-in are not mutually exclusive, the lead/buyer can decide whichever way to go, perhaps seeking more info, or due to FOMO, taking action via CTA/checkout section which may also include an E-mail address box as well as a physical address, depending on the nature of the product to be delivered to the lead/buyer.

As to the second quoted paragraph, I disagree with you, as discussed above, on the opt-in page and CTA/checkout section take, since you are presenting it as an absolute non traffic generator due to very little content. That implies also, that in the case of well NON PAID targeted audiences and blue oceans it will not convert well. As to that assumption, there are numerous fairly inexpensive and even FREE tools, systems and strategies which will place the funnel in the middle of a blue ocean and a receptive audience, without the necessity of having to have or to increase an ad spend budget.

Those fairly inexpensive and even FREE tools, systems and strategies are NOT discussed here and they probably never will be, hence the false assumptions will remain in place for many.

They do, however, exist for anyone who is truly interested in finding and using them for more efficiently targeted audiences and better conversion rates.

Thank you for sharing your personal experience with paid traffic with us here.

Blessings!

I appreciate your detailed response but I feel that it is a bit oversimplified looking at Clickfunnels as a means to earn an income, especially considering the costs associated with creating an entire funnel and driving traffic to it. Clickfunnels itself is an expensive recurring fee product if anyone wants to derive a meaningful use of it(there are cheaper limited plans available but they are too basic).

Promoting Clickfunnels through free traffic sources is almost like promoting a Wealthy Affiliate Premium membership on your personal Facebook profile. It takes advanced techniques to promote products effectively to gain free traffic on any social platform including Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest and Instagram.

For example, it may mean creating a highly visible Facebook group with hundreds or thousands of members along with posting regular, useful content - at the same time keeping members engaged daily. Running a Facebook group is like a full time job on its own!

Driving traffic to funnels is far more challenging than driving free traffic through SEO. While SEO as taught in the Wealthy Affiliate training, takes perseverance and patience but is sure to work if all steps are followed, making an income through sales funnels is extremely advanced and risky. True, paid traffic can yield fast results and takes less effort but by the time the ordinary Joe gets it right and starts breaking even, he may have lost thousands of dollars already.

It is a product that is ideally geared for promotion through paid traffic sources and more importantly, built for scale i.e multiple funnels. It does work well for medium and large businesses, eCommerce product sellers, high ticket digital product creators and established bloggers who can afford to test and tweak their multiple ad campaigns for an extended period of time - or outsource their efforts to gain free traffic from social media.

Building a successful multi-step funnel is a complex subject and needs professionals for making it work for businesses or alternatively, a thorough knowledge and gainful experience of paid traffic. A Facebook group or any social media effort may seem like a free resource at first but the time, energy and expertise needed is much more than what is needed for creating a website and monetizing it the right way.

Please note that I have written both my posts keeping in mind that a majority of members come here wanting to create a website that they can monetize and build an income stream from at a reasonable cost, while bearing the expenses for being a part of a membership site and availing of a training that works even today and receiving quick help whenever they need help. I don't think it can be compared with Clickfunnels.

I will not belabor the point, I have provided my comments before to both you, Zidane and to Kristine herself twice and in my last response to her I cited trusted and well respected SEO authority, not my words, and I will gladly share the entire blog post/podcast link via PM if anyone is interested. Same can be found searching on Google....

I therefore rest my case.

We agree to respectfully disagree, which is fine because in the end the WA community benefits from the discussion.

Regardless of personal likes, dislikes and opinions, I choose to stand with the math, and by that I do not mean Common Core Math.

Over and out.

Blessings!

I'm in agreement and can't wait to hear your plan.

Erica

Kristine,

Hallelujah!

Finally, it has been asked and rather very logically in your post and let me say that it was way long overdue.

I do predict an ensuing firestorm and yet, on a personal note, I do answer YES to both of your questions and validate what Russell's company and products stand for.

If you are concerned about the price but still like the concept, please PM me and i will suggest you a few alternatives.

I will now return to the "tree that falls in the forest which no one ever hears" mode.

Blessings!

but you still need to drive traffic to click funnels - so why not use teh money you would spend on cf and go throughthe ppc module of bootcamp and use bing or google ads to drive traffic to your blog - as kyle does to test ideas?
just a thought
phil

Yeah that is my plan, but if my post doesn't guide the user properly they will just leave.

thats what testing is all about - the reason you use ppc traffic.
always test where you are sending and what you have written to get them there.

I am all ears!

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