Is Wealthy Affiliate Worth The Money?

Last Update: July 19, 2014

I just got back from the gym today, where I saw a personal trainer giving the basics of some exercises to a lady. I wondered to myself - "How much do these guys make?"

I took it a bit further and looked into how much other industries charge for personal training and support. Below, I've listed a few "Learning" based activities like languages and music, as well as "career" based training.

In essence, WA is a training center where you learn how to do internet marketing. Let's see how it compares to other things that people pay to learn.

Personal Trainer

  • Cost Per Hour: $50 per hour
  • Training per week: 2-3 sessions
  • Cost Per Month: $400
  • Guaranteed Results? NO

Guitar Lessons

  • Cost Per Hour: $25 per hour
  • Lessons per week: 2-3 sessions
  • Cost Per Month: $200
  • Guaranteed Results? NO

Chinese Lessons

  • Cost Per Hour: $50-80 per hour (private), $8-$25 per lesson (online), $220 per 12 hours (Group)
  • Lesson per week: 2-3 sessions (contract required, pay even when you don't show!)
  • Cost Per Month: $500+
  • Guaranteed Results? NO

Truck Driving School

  • Cost of Tuition: $5000+
  • Yearly Income: $48k
  • Guaranteed Work? NO

Culinary School

  • Cost of Tuition: $$40-$80k
  • Yearly Income: $45k
  • Guaranteed Work? NO

"Official" internet marketing Degree

  • Online Degree from Full Sail University
  • Cost of Tuition: $54k - $77k
  • Yearling Income: ???
  • Guaranteed work? NO

You might have noticed that I looked into a lot of vocational jobs. Kyle already did a post about how much internet marketing training at university costs and the return on investment. there. That's also quite unbelievable.

I hate to fanboy out on you guys here, listen to this: At Wealthy Affiliate you can get personal, 1-on-1 support from internet marketing experts...an unlimited number of hours of FREE training including with your membership. Did you know that a life coach will charge you $300 per hour?!!!!!!!

Their justification for that price is that it's a highly personalized training. Hm...that sounds a lot like WA!

I have also attended many webinars on how to invest in stocks - the average cost was $100-$150 dollars per webinar. Webinars in WA? 4 per month, included in your membership price.

Wealthy Affiliate

  • Cost: $47 per month or $359 per year
  • Yearly Income: $0 - $100,000's (You decide)
  • Guarantee Results? No

How To Get Results

Whether you are taking guitar lessons or trying to earn as a chef, nothing is guaranteed. If you are learning a new skill, the vast majority of your actual learning time will happen outside of the classroom in your own study time. If the only thing you do is go to your lessons 2x per week, you will not be a good musician or fluent in the language you learn.

And even with a certificate saying you are a certified chef, truck driver, or internet marketer,a well paying job is NOT going to just land in your lap. When you do get a job, you will start at a base pay and work for years just to get a small % raise.

To make the training inside Wealthy Affiliate produce awesome results, and to actually start getting some income from your websites, you have to spend time learning, you have to spend time working, and you have to follow through. You have to do more than the lessons REQUIRE because doing the bare minimum will get bare minimum results.

Is Wealthy Affiliate worth the price? It is if you make it worth it.

$47 per month or $359 per year is an absolute steal for the amount of training and support you get here, no matter how you slice it. The fact that paying $1 per day can teach you how to earn $10,000's per month is insane

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Christene9 Premium Featured Comment
Great post Nathaniell. I agree with "Christabelle", Ignore the negativity.

Please allow me to add my own 2 cents.

WA is worth every penny I pay for it, in fact, the hosting alone is worth the price on its own. Many people seem to know little about hosting and the headache that goes along with it. Cheap unreliable hosting is the downfall of many and some work themselves tired to create awesome websites, but they never see a first page ranking no matter how much they add posts and do SEO. Remember, some hosting companies host any type of website whether it is bad or not and it includes websites that are associated with spam, malicious programs, adult content, hate speech and so forth. At some point, some of these sites get reported and obviously if too many of them comes from the same host the ranking falls. I am not going to point fingers, but not too long ago a famous online company lost ranking position because members who used their blogging system mainly used it for spam. All the blogs on this system lost ranking even the innocent ones.

WA's hosting have a solid reputation and the websites rank well. By typing "Page one" in the WA search bar you can find many members who accomplished the "impossible" within a relatively short time. Some "popular" home biz programs are even outranked by WA sites.

This is the major reason why I refer my readers to WA, I want them to have a fair change. I know if they follow the training, work hard to create their websites and post frequently they have a good change to become successful. In the past, I promoted a platform that costs $145 each month and provided a blogging platform that was not worth even $1. I saw members working long hours to fill up those blogs and they never saw one page ranking for all their effort.

Bottom line... Focus your energy and time on your website if you are a newbie. If you have limited time, do not waste it on actions that have no beneficial outcome. $47 a month is cheap if you leverage everything WA have to offer and use it to build your business.
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Christene, that was great, thank you.
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WillingToTry Premium
Admirably expressed Christene!

WA's solid reputation is a very vital aspect to consider,,,,again its not just about money......integrity....priceless!

~Arthur
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DLansing Premium
Can't agree more, Christene!
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lindasea Premium
AWESOME! Love how you shared a personal aspect and mirrored what Nathaniell has said. Thanks.
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Kyirrie Premium
Absolutely it is! I don't think I have seen anything that comes close to the depth of training as well as all the tools that you get here for the price. Most of the other systems I have looked at require you to pay more and more if you want "extras" and I mean thousands of dollars by the time you add it all up, all on things which on WA come as standard for a premium member. Accidentally finding your "One more cup of Coffee" site Nathaniell, was one of the best synchronicities I have had in a long while. This was definitely the Law of Attraction at work :)
I am learning a lot, and finally beginning to absorb what I am learning even though it's taken a while, and I know that while I am here there will be no end to my learning. I have the tools and the teachers to help me succeed and the rest is up to me.
Here in Australia because our dollar is pretty cr*p the $47.00 a month costs me $52 a month Australian, and I don't have a great income, but you know what, I have no problem whatsoever spending that money on everything I get here. It is more than worth it!
Cheers,
Lynette
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DLansing Premium
Wow, this blog really kick my lazy butt! Time to learn some more at WA!
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justeileen Premium
You are awesome and right on! You put some time and research into this. It shows that we truly get our value per dollar. :-)
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soulja90 Premium
100% Agreed. Great article Nathan.
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Happysharing Premium
Hi Nathaniell,
Thanks for the information.
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Happysharing Premium
Hi Nathaniell,
Just to find out. I have been a premium member for a year. I am
thinking of taking a break for 6 months. Would I be entitled to the same premium annual membership fee offered to me in the first place when I rejoin after 6 months?
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Funmine Premium
I think Kyle / Carson are in a better position to answer you accurately.

You may be lucky to get a better price when you return depending on special promotions going on at the time.
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drsusie Premium
Great post. I will be sharing this with folks.

It reminded me of the coaching I sought out to complete my dissertation for my doctorate. I needed direction on the statistics part so my dissertation chair suggested a coach.

He charged $100.00 per hour and I had to buy 5 hours at a time.

I ended up paying around $1500.00
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Well written, you got me convinced once again :) although I am already hooked :)
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BlueCoyote Premium
Great perspective thanks (I needed that....)
Colleen aka Blue Coyote
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Visions Premium
Well said Nathaniell. Keep up the amazing work that you do.
~ Diane
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lindasea Premium
YUP!!! Awesome post and oh so well said. So glad it was your site that drew me to WA. Been out of the loop but working again.

Good to see you doing well in this community. You TOTALLY deserve it!!!

Linda
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dawntp Premium
nice post! the value of WA training and support surpasses anything out there. thanks for the timely reminder, helps me to stay focused, stay here, and stop working 2 jobs to make ends meet.... yeah duh, i know thats me. great post for my kids to read too, cheers!
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IAnum1 Premium
Yes, one has to learn more in addition to the training gained here.
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Wishyu Premium
That is true, I agreed the post. very informative! I would keep trying to do the best! approxi. $50 worth a day WA around $1500~$1700 worths to me.Thanks. ;)
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sdawson Premium
Very interesting post Nathaniell. Thanks.
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Jenna7 Premium
To anyone who wants to make a full-time living at this:

How bad do you want it? What are you willing to do to get it? Are you determined enough to stick with it? I've almost walked away a few times because some days I am so frustrated up to my eyeballs-I don't understand something, etc etc. I used to think that only certain, computer expert, super smart, super lucky members at WA make the real money. The part I know that is true is that the people succeeding are putting forth the effort-more than effort-they keep working on their sites. The work never stops.

I am still here because I want it bad enough and believe it will happen. I also want to support my family by working at home. One of my sons thinks WA is a borderline scam (don't get me started, lol). I am determined to make a living for that reason alone to show him what I see in WA. Some people don't see it because they've been ripped off too many times. My son thinks like that-I am trying to show him what I have really learned here, and there are just some things he can't argue with.

I am just a regular person-not making a living from what I've learned yet, but on the way. The money keeps adding up little by little. I see actual results when I put the work in. I had to wait a few months to even see one legitimate comment on my website, but the results are adding up, little by little. It's fascinating to me to see results.

Imagine someone giving you all the tools and building supplies to build a huge, beautiful house on the ocean or wherever you want. The tools, supplies, and property don't cost you much at all, but the catch is that you have to build it yourself.

My main point is: What are you willing to do to take what you are given and make it work for you?

PS Nathaniell, great post. Thanks for letting me share my feelings-I guess I am just really passionate about this. Hope I didn't get too far off topic and ramble. :P And thanks to WA and for the help I have been given here-I could not do this without the help or getting started for free.
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chartreux Premium
Hi Jen
Great response - love it. You've summed it up beautifully - you'll reap what you sow.
All the very best
Peter
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Jen,
I believe Nathaniell will agree that is fantastic and right in line.
I like your attitude, that is the attitude of a winner. You Will!
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Jenna7 Premium
Hi Ken.
Thank you.
If I didn't keep seeing glimpses that this really works, I wouldn't be so into it. Stubbornness also comes in handy. Lol.
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Oh yes Jen, it works if you work it. It is very worthwhile.
I like to call it persistence, but stubbornness works. lol
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This is really awesome post for me as I just started.
Thank you Nathaniell
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speedking Premium
Hi Nathaniel, well written and well put ......WA is by far the best deal out there to date. Thats why im very glad and thankfull to be associated with this community ...........its what you do with tools life hands you that counts .......the outcome of our efforts is determined by our input !
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tommo1968 Premium
Hey Nath, well put. For me the yearly deal on Black Friday works out at 50p UK per day. That is the price of a packet of crisps (or chips for you Americans). When first starting out it felt a lot to pay out but it was well worth it.

I have learn't so much and made loads of friends and colleagues who I can get help from even outside of WA that's worth the ticket price alone never mind the training, hosting etc. If you really think about it we are ripping Kyle and Carson off big time. :)
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NWTDennis Premium
It's what keeps me driving forward. It's not a quick process, but I intend to persevere. And when you get a little discouraged the WA community (like you Nathaniell) is here to help pick up your spirits.

When I finally start to see some steady results I believe the feeling of accomplishment will be as rewarding as the revenue coming in. Breaking even (covering the cost of WA + Jaaxy + domain costs) is my first goal.
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Ken-Pringle Premium
Dennis, that is right patience pays dividends.
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Shawn Martin Premium
That would be why I am here.... :)
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BeckieG Premium
I look at the $1 a day, the persistent work and continual learning as an investment in a potentially profitable future!
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DomW Premium
Damn I should start teaching Chinese
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Well that's inspirational. Will try to remember this as I figure out what my "niche" will be and eventually work up to creating traffic and raising my rank.
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scottdogg187 Premium
Awesome post as usual Nathaniell!

I have been reading all these comments on here and I just had to chime in on this discussion. You are going to have negative people no matter where you go and you just need to ignore these kind of people.

I think WA is worth every penny and plus some. The truth is that WA works and it works really well. In the close to 2 years I have been here I have learned stuff that I thought I would never learn. I paid for the year and I challenged myself to see how long it would take for me to earn my initial investment back.

I TOOK ACTION on the training and worked really hard on my website and kept in constant contact with Kyle and asked for help whenever I needed it. I was able to get my $359 back within 7 months and by month 9 I was hitting $1k a month. Let me add that I'm not the smartest person when it comes to computers or learning and I didn't do that well in school.

So when I say if I can figure this stuff out ANYONE can. If YOU work the business and put the time in you will be rewarded for your hard work. What you get in the starter membership alone, is far more valuable then anything that a GURU will sell you, not to mention everything that premium has to offer. . Thanks again for this post Nathaniell!
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NWTDennis Premium
Well said Scott ... very inspiring. I'm proud to call you my mentor.
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Trialynn Premium
Great post Nathaniell. You did a great job of illustrating a point!
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boomergp08 Premium
Great comparisons Nathaneill. So to answer your question I would say YES!!!
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richwhit2005 Premium
Thank you Nathaniel for your insightful analysis. You did a lot of research in putting this post together. Well done!!
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Christabelle Premium
EXCELLENT post! Ignore all the negativity! Did you know that 60% of all chronic back sufferers are truck drivers! And today you have to fight to make a good living at truck driving! Well I'd rather put that fight into WA and I feel blessed to have found them. Thank you for the inspiration you are able to offer! :) Christa
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Ken-Pringle Premium
I Totally agree, I almost feel like I am steeling this info here at WA.
I have been here almost one month now.
I have made some money.
I have made a lot of new friends.
I have learned plenty, go figure. (I have been marketing online for well over a decade.) I thought I had a handle on this IM deal.
WA is the real deal.
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HowardJaros Premium
Amen to that!! Thanks for sharing Nate!
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TFW Premium
Here's a thought. Negative energy exists even in WA.
I choose to surround myself with Positive Energy and People.
Same as on my YT channel, FreedomForceUSA. Great group on this thread!
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Rick Jantz Premium
As always, excellent post. I'm so glad I went to yearly payments, not only because it's cheaper but also because it lets me focus on working online with an annual plan in mind. Thanks for researching this and posting.
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IveTriedThat Premium
Great comparison Nate. Really puts the cost of a membership here into perspective as to just how affordable Premium really is.
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Starrlett Premium
It's cheaper than going to uni. Only wish I had discovered this years ago.
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Sugarbird Premium
I agree whole-heartedly. When you think of the $47 a month as an education for your future, it is cheap at 5 times the cost. Try getting a marketing degree at any state University. That's a wee bit more than $47 a month.
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Bill67 Premium
Great post Well Done. Thank you
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bothewebguy Premium
If it is the person's desire to make money on the Internet with Affiliate Marketing, then $47 per month or $369/year for a WA membership should be included as a cost of doing business.

One of my revenue streams is directly related to what i learned here at WA. Leaving WA would actually cost me a lot more than $47/month.
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coolcity Premium
That's a bit odd. Unless the income you refer to is promoting WA or Jaaxy, how would leaving WA cost you anything?
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bothewebguy Premium
Gary,

I do have income from both wa and jaaxy.. more than I pay for these services. I am on the annual plan at WA that renews on Black Friday..so I save even more than most people. I have months that pay me more than the annual fee..

In addition to the wa commission, I have about 20+ websites that I am hosting here.. some are totally dormant..my only cost is the domain name.

A few of the websites are tied to client websites that paid me to help them get started. For these.. Yes, I could certainly move them to a cheap hosting plan and risk my reputation with the experience that usually comes with cheap hosting.. or I could move them to one of the vps accounts I have..

To be honest.. WA hosting at $47 is a far better value than what I get from 2 of the hosting accounts that I pay over $60 a month for. I should be moving all of my websites over here.. There are pros and cons.. to doing that.

I could save over $720/year just cancelling one of those other accounts.. I have not been able to justify the time involved. I will not go into all that here....

Sorry for hijacking your post Nathaniell, I am happy that I found WA and will probably never leave.....
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nathaniell Premium
Haha, no problem Bo. The comment section has kind of gone off the rails, but that's what happens in a community, and I guess that's the point of having a discussion :)
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coolcity Premium
Yes, understandable if you are promoting WA/Jaaxy, Bo. under the same terms I would still be here too. I have always fancied a crack at the Make Money niche promoting WA but I don't have the time,

WA hosting didn't work for me. I have documented this a few times but I have a slider on the front page that WA hosting disabled (without warning or explanation I might add, until I asked) and told me it was eating up bandwidth and slowing everything down. The only "advice" I got was to drop the slider.

I switched to a UK host, the site now loads lightning fast, much faster than it ever did on WA even before I had the slider, and the slider itself isn't a problem anymore and works perfectly.

That hosting costs me around $5 a month and has a lot more features such as automated daily backups, website visit stats, one click adding of subdomains, premium e-commerce carts and and a whole raft of other features. With that in mind, the issues I had and the cost I can't rate WA hosting at all.
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coolcity Premium
That Black Friday thing is handy to know Bo.
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bothewebguy Premium
It was 299/year on Black Friday... I don't know if they will offer it again or not. I assume they will but no guarantees.

It sounds like you have found a much better use of your time in other places anyway.. when does you ability to comment run out?
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coolcity Premium
Anytime now I guess. This is my last day and it's 9 p.m. in the UK so I'm assuming midnight, could be sooner though.
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boomergp08 Premium
Bo, if you got the Black Friday yearly price then you are locked into that price going forward every year. That's what Kyle told me when I took advantage of the offer last year and this is a special price deal that WA does every year.
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cubandane Premium
Great blog and well researched Nathaniell. Thanks for the information. Never doubted for a minute that WA is worth every penny. Cheers, Simon
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Lemm Premium
A really excellent comparison of value, nathaniell. Thanks for sharing.
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TFW Premium
When someone says it's to expensive, it could mean they simply do not want to do the WORK. But for the training and community support, it's dirt cheap.
Anyone that runs a business knows how inexpensive it is.
Excellent blog, thank you.
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RickBell57 Premium
The cost is irrelevant. For the risk you take. It would not matter the cost. Dirt cheap? It needs to be for the fact that many will never succeed online. Most things that are dirt cheap offer you very little in making it to the big leagues. And this is the same with any program.
I would rather lesson the risk and pay much much more for the chance more of a guarantee. Many people think they get a lot for their money? :) You have to imagine how many of the members here will never succeed and you will see why it is dirt cheap!
95 percent of us will fail. Due largely to not being cut out for what it takes to make it. Intelligence, lack of interest, too busy, etc...
Why does everyone go around saying great prices and great instruction. It is all for nothing if you don't succeed. Wasted time gabbing in my book.
Lets either get on with the work, or fall away! :)
Rick
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Drawshot Premium
Hi Rick, You may think its not great prices, or instruction, but many of us do. I'll ask you, have you the 1 mil to buy a Mickey D franchise? I mean that is one way to just about guarantee a successful business. But even with a franchise, there is no guarantee of profit. Whole chains of restaurants and other franchises have disappeared where I live. And I'm not talking about areas like Detroit. Where I live is a fast paced, multi culture thriving area.
Fact is cost for one year here at WA, and the cost for a couple of domain names is dirt cheap compared to the alternatives. Try taking one lesson at a community college. Compare the cost. There are no guarantees here, or in any business that I've ever heard of. Fact is, depending on the type of business, 70-90 percent of new businesses fail. And you have the privilege of taking the chance of losing tens of thousands of dollars, to millions there.
If you want to spend more to lessen the risk and guarantee a better chance of success take a look here. http://www.entrepreneur.com/franchises/lowcost/index.html. Maybe one of those will be better suited to what you think would be a great business to be in. Best wishes on your endeavors.
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RickBell57 Premium
Yes 70 percent is far better. I wouldn't be here working my ass off if I didn't think I myself couldn't do it. :) Or that the price was wrong. Dirt cheap for some, too much for others....it has no bearing on who makes it and who doesn't. Each person has their own difficulties with online marketing and finding the time in a given day to work the program.
The price is good, some cannot afford it. Many can afford to spend more. Just saying.
Its chump change for me, and I invest other money into the program in other ways as well. Not that it has helped.
But to sit here all day and talk about whether it is a good price or not, makes little difference in who is going to succeed and who isn't.
right? So why are we? :)
Lets get back to work trying to make the revenue the program says we can make and quit jawing about stats, price, and comparisons to other opportunities.

We are here for a reason, to make money. And its a cheap way to get started. I mentioned that many members pay the money for years and never make it back. That is the problem. Not everyone benefits form the program, making it more important when they lose this monthly program fee. No big deal right, it is not that much money.

If you compare the price of admission to becoming successful its wonderful.
If you compare it to the many here who will never be successful, not so good. Everyone has their own opinion. No one is right, no one is wrong. Who even cares about the membership fee and what you get, as long as it provides a solution to you.
I was only saying I could spend a thousand a month if it would put me to making it back within a year without near as much risk. But that is not going to happen is it. So here I am, still though, spending valuable time and money hoping to be successful one day is all we have.
No guarantees! NONE.
Remember that.
Regardless the price.
This whole blog was written to make wealthy affiliate sound so great. And that is fine. If you succeed.
You generally get what you pay for.
Cheap programs usually don't make you successful. You have to be the one to do that.
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nathaniell Premium
@Rick you are absolutely wrong that when some members fail, other members benefit. There is no reason to believe that. A person building a website about computer software has nothing to do with a person building a website about weight lifting.

If people don't make money and quit, their referrers stop making money as well.

I do not understand where all this conspiracy theory stuff is coming from man.
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Freedomseekr Premium
Very well said Nathaniell! People can end up spending a whole lot of money on lessons, trainings, school, etc., but there's never a guarantee it'll get them anywhere. It's all up to the person whether or not they actually succeed or not.

To myself, WA has been very well worth the money. It's shown me how to do things I had no clue on how to even start, and so much more. When I arrived here, I had been just about ready to give up on my search for any honest answers on how to build a website or make money online. I've been able to do both with what I've learned here.

Plus, I know if I get stuck somewhere down the line, I can always turn for help here to get the answers I need to move forward. I'm glad I found WA, there's nothing that compares, in my opinion. It's made such a difference in my whole life, not just online, but off as well.

Thanks for sharing such an informative post Nathaniell, and best wishes to you :) -Sherry
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RickBell57 Premium
Great representation.
I believe only 5 percent will ever apply themselves the required hours to become successful. That is why they say 95 percent fail at online marketing. Many of us have the same chance starting out. The ones that fight tooth and nail make it to the too of the ladder like you did, while many thousands of members step off due to various reasons.
You out a lot of time and effort into this.
I would have used it on my website or social network. It's limited here to what it accomplishes.
What does blogging here really accomplish if you only have a domain authority of 1 like me. Worthless?
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coolcity Premium
That's not entirely correct though. The fact is that if everybody applied themselves the same way you would still get a massive failure rate because not everybody can be on page 1 of Google, and that's something that will never change.

I know people who have been working at IM for years and never made it. The limiting factor could be an individual's ability to work it out, and we all have different levels of ability. It's not just about time and effort.

In that respect I'm not sure about the value of some of the analogies nathaniell has posted. For example it states that you are not guaranteed to get a job as a truck driver even if you take the course. I would say that you pretty much are.

In fact if you go to the CNN link in the screenshot, it states that there are thousands of trucking jobs unfilled. The pay is quite decent too, (in fact if I lived in the USA I would probably take it, it's a lot better than UK counterparts earn) but obviously the lifestyle won't suit everybody.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/24/news/economy/trucking-jobs/

I know the article is two years old but it's probably still relevant.

The fact is that by following the coursework on WA there is no guarantee of success. Not everybody here will make it and if you follow the WA bootcamp it is important to realise than only one of you will rank #1 in Google for any given search term and only 10 of you will rank on page one.

We can't all be successful WA promoters because the niche would be flooded and as I say, many people will never get near page 1. The challenge of course is to keep improving until you do but every place you go up the rankings means another WA member goes down.

Many people will do very well out of their WA membership but for many others it just will not work, unless you put together a good website in a relatively untapped niche, simply because we cant all be in the top positions. On that basis, truck driving seems to be a potentially more likely place to earn a guaranteed income.

As a case in point how many members stay on after a year? How many members have genuinely been successful? What percentage? I see very few in the top 100 list now that were here a year ago.

I see a lot of posts all over WA saying how brilliant blogs like this are, but how many of those people have genuinely made decent money and how many ever will? Very few people who HAVE been very successful in internet marketing are seen posting on blogs like this one.

I am convinced I will succeed at this with time and hard work and I will always owe a lot of it to WA when I do, but I also stand by my overall opinion of WA.
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RickBell57 Premium
Even those convinced will not make it by the hundreds and thousands here. Sorry. Out of all of us like you that fight everyday, many of us will finish last.
You have many good points about truck driving! I made 100 thousand a year, 68k my very first year right out of school.
That money enabled me to buy corvettes, rolex watches, a house or two, but I did not invest it, so it is gone.
Did I feel successful? No, the hours I worked were equal to the 68 in thousand...per week! :(
There is no need to blog about the program and try and bolster members thoughts here. They are already here. If you are going to do this you should add it to your social marketing efforts. I don't know why everyone feels in WA that they need to speak out and help others by being so positive minded about WA when that has nothing to do with whether or not we succeed! geez!
Thanks for your comment! Realistic is where our minds need to be.
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coolcity Premium
By the same rule, there is no need for nathaniell to blog about the program and try to bolster members thoughts either. I don't have to, I leave today anyway. so it's irrelevant to me what anybody thinks or writes from hereon in anyhow. I won't even see it.

You could make good money at a number of things and blow it. I'm not doing it to feel successful, but as a means of obtaining sustainable income that I can continue into later life even with health issues, without having to kill myself physically to achieve it.

I have often stated that I am not a fan of the consistent motivational blogs for example. I'm an engineer, I deal with logic, not possibilities based on positive thought. If my equipment has broken down thinking positively about it isn't going to make it work again.
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RickBell57 Premium
I think he does it to feel as if he is a part of the group. Most the time he is so busy on making his own progress, where we all here should be, that he rarely has the time to pop in.
But, as you said, you are on the way out and it is easy to say what you feel. Me myself, I don't wait til I'm on my way out to speak my mind and everyone here knows that. I'm hated in most groups.
People think I am negative. But the truth is....I'm not. I think logically like you do, without the engineer part. And, I work my ass off here and try to work smart as well. And truth be told, I know it will take about two to three years to be able to pay my own bills using affilaite marketing. problem is, everyone here is under the impression they can do it in a few months! Start making thousands of dollars! :)
We are all different. Some of us will succeed. :)
A negative person would have quit a long time ago after seeing five months worth of full time effort, with thousands in revenue lost. I'm still here fighting and working day in and day out! :)
Send me a pm tell me why you are leaving. What happened?
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nathaniell Premium
I disagree about the limiting factor in internet marketing. It's like saying, "Why even have a trucking school - if everyone tried to become a trucker, there wouldn't be enough jobs!"

The analogy isn't perfect, but it makes the point that not everyone will promote WA. Not everyone will choose the same niche. I don't know why it works out that way, but everyone goes down a different path...if you run into heavy competition, you pivot your niche or start over, and find something that works for you.

The whole point of niche marketing is to find YOUR niche. Even within a very high competition niche, you can still find your VOICE. Even within bootcamp, you can still get a lot of rankings. I wrote about it here https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/nathaniell/blog/is-wa-bootcamp-saturated-or-too-competitive If everyone did it, sure the competition landscape would be different. But not everyone does!

If everyone applied themselves to every niche? Not possible! A very tiny number of people do IM, and and even smaller number do it according to WA's training. We are part of an awesome secret here.

How many freaking weight loss and/or fitness blogs are there out there? Yet people still make them, still have an interest in it, and still want to find a voice that speaks to them. All it takes is a few hundred visits per day out of the millions and millions of people online for you to make a few grand out of your site.

You do not have to be the next Mark Zuckerberg to be a success. You basically just need a few hundred visits per day to start making money. And you don't have to make $10k per month to be a success - even just $1k per month would make folks feel like they made it. It's not *that* hard to earn $30 per day online if you apply yourself here.

I do dislike the argument that somehow because of my success it makes me different than everyone. "Your smarter, younger, etc etc, it won't work for everyone". The whole reason why I'm such a WA fanboy is that I am not that smart, and everything I know I learned from WA. Lots of stuff I learned outside WA broke my businesses (Penguin style)

BTW this post was not a rebuttal or response to your post coolcity...I was just thinking about the gym trainer and how much people pay him.
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coolcity Premium
Nothing really happened Rick, I think pretty much the same as you but mostly, my back problems are genuinely a limiting factor because they rob me of so much time, i.e. try concentrating for a long as you need to when in a lot of pain and you will understand how limiting it can be. I'm not complaining, it is what it is.

However, 20 years ago in the same scenario I have no doubt I would have had some success by now as I would have spent much more time on it. Sometimes I can't do anything much for days. I need to crack on with it because I'm attacking a major niche which is hard enough as it is - again I knew that when I started so I'm not complaining - but I do need to create more time and in leaving WA, which I don't think can teach me an awful lot more to get me where I need to be, it's mostly about time and effort now, it makes sense not to renew at the end of my annual subscription - today - and utilize the freed up time on building my website to the size it needs to be to compete.

More info is in my own "Goodbye" blog where I have replied to everybody there, and which gives a little more insight but there isn't much more to it than that, there is no hidden agenda. Maybe when your first 12 months is up you might feel the same, maybe not.
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coolcity Premium
No, I'm not knocking what you said nathaniell, I agree with what you say to a point and of course if everybody chose to become truck drivers there would not be enough jobs. However, everybody doesn't choose to do that and there are not enough jobs so you are almost certain to succeed.

With the "Make money" niche though I believe it is different. I believe there ARE too many promoting WA and unless you are smart enough or lucky enough (and I do believe there is an element of luck) to get to the top then you're never going to make it.

Sure there are some who will make a little and that little extra will be enough for them, but many will never achieve their dreams of what they thought they were able to do. With truck driving you KNOW what you are going to earn and so can accept that, there are no ifs and maybes, but I do see your point.

I'm not sure that anyone suggested that your success is down to you being different, if that comes as a result of something I said I apologise, it wasn't intentional, but I can say with near certainty that if you had the problems I had now you would not have been as successful, or it would have taken you much longer. I know how much quicker and easier I could have done this if I had been in the better health and at the age I was 20 years ago.
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RickBell57 Premium
Sorry to hear. I too suffer from extreme pain and an on lots of meds daily which are guaranteed to shorten my life with liver, and kidney failure.
When I hear it will take two to there years just to start breaking even within the program and making some money above and beyond what we spend and including our time at the computer....I am struck dumb!
That is why people fail here. It takes too many years of believing we are going to make money.
The few money makers here may even be paid by Kyle and CArson to come in and bolster the program! I doubt it though because so many members like me can come along and then they have to listen to both sides of the conversation. Which members here always try to make it sound one sided.
Oh the cost is terrific! :) Sure it is. Until you work the program for years and fail for whatever reason, and then your not going to say the money was worth it, right? :)
I have less time then most and need to see some sort of improvement month after month. At the end of year one, I too will be gone regardless of the price of admission. the admission everyone talks about is a mute point in my opinion. Just someone trying to make WA sound so great. And it is as long as you profit from it....not so much if you aren't.
Like back pain. How great is that when one suffers? Is it worth it? Hell no it is not worth having back pain. Same with a program, if it is painful to you, then no it is not worth the price, not at that point in time.
So everyone has their own opinion on everything and life and this is mine.
I hope the best for you and I hope you can keep your pain levels down. Good luck and keep the faith that our time will not be much longer with the pain we have.
rick
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nathaniell Premium
@Rick, sorry man, but that's total BS about members being paid to "bolster" the program. This comment is absolutely unfounded.

I made money with the Online Entrepreneur Certification for 3 years before even starting to promote WA so you do not have to promote WA or be affiliated with it to make money. You can check my blog history to see proof.

The whole point of this post was not to get people to sign up or stay on. It was to compare to other industries that also do not guarantee results and charge MUCH higher rates.

If you went to the gym to get slim, and after 6 months you told your trainer, "Why am I still fat?", he would say, "What kind of exercises are you doing outside of our training session?"

Results are in YOUR hands as much as they are in the hands of your mentor, regardless of industry.
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Starcreator Premium
Excellent informative post. I actually did take classes at a community college and online university. The cost is high and they only teach the bare minimum. You are right, we are getting a good deal.
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rarediva Premium
Excellently articulated and well thought out!
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wildcatblue2 Premium
Very good comparative analysis Nathaniell, it is obvious to most of us who take the premium membership here what a fantastic value WA is. Thanks again to Kyle and Carson for creating this great opportunity to the masses at such a low price point.

Jack :)
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Lancer501 Premium
Good post Nathaniell...you are making one of your rare appearances here, I guess at the behest of the owners to counteract the negative post by a disillusioned member from earlier this week. I still believe that some of the points made by this leaving member were very pertinent and need addressing. However, I guess, judging by the answers to your post that's not going to happen anytime soon. The masses appear to be happy and so be it.
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coolcity Premium
I may or may not be that member you refer to, and that's totally fine. I haven't posted a link to my own blog here because I don't want to confuse the issue and the reason nathaniell has posted this blog might be totally unconnected, but if anybody wishes to post a link to it here please feel free to do so.

I paid for a years' membership and I agree 100% with what nathaniel says. The value of WA is unsurpassed if you are just getting started on the road to internet marketing. In fact it is probably worth much more. My problem is that once you have gone through the training and got up and running it doesn't provide any deeper, more technical help. Time after time, for months now I have found the answers to many of the questions I have had not on here, but on the Wordpress forums or simply by doing a Google search. That's fact, not my opinion.

Try asking a question on anything you can't find covered on WA and you will either get a load of totally irrelevant and pointless answers or somebody will point you towards one of the basic training modules.

As a case in point I watched Jay's live webinar last night and as brilliant as Jay's webinars and videos are, they only show you the basics. I felt that I am a long way past that, perhaps because of a little previous experience, but after watching the webinar for 75 minutes last night I didn't see anything that was advised to anybody that I didn't already know. In most cases I would have advised the same myself. In otherwords it's just basics. As a basic training module to get you started WA is fantastic but beyond that I'm not so sure.

I would like to stress that I have not given up on my project, in fact quite the opposite. I have back problems which leaves me in a lot of pain a lot of the time. What it does rob you of is time. You can not get anything like as much done as you would like to, so that is also part of my reasoning for leaving WA. I had to create more available time for my project and the less time spent here, the more of my limited time I will have to spend on my website.

However my project, which was started mostly with the help of what is taught here at WA continues, I have not given up on it and never will. Once it is successful I will be back here posting blogs like this one.
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nathaniell Premium
I did nothing at the 'behest' of the owners. One of the downsides of becoming an affiliate of WA is that somehow folks start to invent conspiracy theories about how I'm in cahoots with the men upstairs. What you guys do with your membership is up to you and none of my business.

I wrote this post for the benefit of people asking themselves if WA was worth the money. A lot of folks contact me saying, "Can I pay after I start earning" or "Why is WA so expensive?"...

So the whole point of the post was to say that no matter how you look at it, WA is not "expensive". It might not be for everyone, but it's certainly not under-delivering for the price you pay, not by a longshot.
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chartreux Premium
Great analysis, Nathaniell. We'll done!
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RussStewart Premium
First class post Nathaniell.

Out there on the Internet boulevard of broken dreams a person can pay hundreds of dollars just to learn ONE of the many training modules that we have complete access to and oftentimes take for granted.

You know the one's, "Get Facebook Famous - $397" or "SEO Killer Software Get Pos' 1 on Day 1 etc" $497.

We have so much to offer here at WA and your article seriously hi-lights this fact.

With web hosting and community support, well - there's nothing quite like it!

Well done Nathanielle, great post!
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DoubleTap Premium
Wow... talk about makin' a case!!!!! Nice job my friend!
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WillingToTry Premium
Thank you for this Nathaniel, your post puts everything in perspective!
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SquidooSlfMstr Premium
Well done, Nathaniell! Everything is relative so it depends on what we compare WA to.

Thank you for gathering all that data and putting this together. It puts thing in perspective and makes the decision to come in WA or not a lot clearer.

Thanks!!
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Visions Premium
Excellent article. Thanks for writing and sharing. Wa is superb!
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fallguy Premium
Very true! Glad to be here!
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Ivy15 Premium
You are so right Nathaniel. WA is the better choice for the money!
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SowAndReap Premium
Very informative info Nathaniell.
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fairo Premium
For me WA is worth more than the money -it has had such an impact on my existing business - never mind what it will eventually bring in once my foundation is in place!
Like any other 'learning' - it is the learner who converts it into something valuable. Have seen many who went to university who frankly should not have bothered...
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cookma54 Premium
Way to drive the point home ... Thanks!
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RenatoC Premium
Great point of view! Thanks Nathaniell

Renato
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lbunton Premium
Great post! Everyone should copy & paste this for the eventual hard times in the business.
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tmaltz Premium
Great post, excellent comparisons. Well done!
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Drawshot Premium
Hi Nathaniell, spot on, I've been telling people that WA is the best education you can find for the money, anywhere on or offline. Best wishes on your endeavors.
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Scorpio15 Premium
Agreed Nathaniell and that is why I know that WA will be an online business leader and it will be the benchmark that all other online concerns will have to emulate. Great post and information, well done!
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JoAnnBass Premium
You are so very right, nathaniell. Certainly the reason I am here and plan to stay :)
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Wondermn Premium
Great post. Nat! Spot on with the details!
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TammiR Premium
This is a very encouraging post!
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chelletrina Premium
Agree all the way!
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mackiejw Premium
Hear, hear and pay attention. Thanks Nathaniell
John Worthy
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alexisp123 Premium
Couldn't agree more!
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judebanks Premium
I like the way you think, Nathaniell. The advice to do more than the actual lessons is spot on. ~Jude
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Maxiam59 Premium
and I totally agree with you all the best
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gener27 Premium
Wow. Very informative article. Definitely worth every cent!!
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Wow! Great examples!
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