Are These Juicy Keywords a Waste of Time?
Hope I can stir a discussion about a question I've had for a long time about selecting keywords that don't make grammatical sense. Some of them look like juicy opportunities and Kyle's "Weekly Diamond List of Keywords" is full of them. Let's look at examples of two sets of these types of keywords.
1) Let's say I found a great keyword combo called "how make apple pie" Jaaxy QSR of only 26... pretty juicy! But, as you can read, it doesn't read well.
2) It should read "how to make apple pie." Adding the "to" makes it read more natural. But, with the added preposition, Jaaxy says the QSR rises to 172. Not near so juicy!
It's impossible to write naturally about the first set. So, how should writing the content be approached? Why is the competition avoiding it? Is the competition not as smart, or are there bombs awaiting our efforts?
This situation happens over and over again with other keywords. If you know the answer, especially if you have detailed info, I hope you'll jump into discussion.
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I put these keywords in the meta, not in the copy. I know that when I am personally looking for something, I often shorten the search string, especially if it is long.
Interesting... you're straddling the fence. Have you had good results in the rankings doing this this way? Wondering if putting unnatural keyword phrases in the meta hurts potential high rankings for the keyword phrase that makes sense?
Anyone getting hungry? Great discussion Famous, I try my best to pick natural keywords in the title (how to make apple pie) then write naturally the rest of the way. I truly believe that's all that crazy hummingbird is looking for. I'm heading to the diner.. who wants join me?
Always need to focus on the keyword that makes sense...and that will be your true competition.
When you target ""how make apple pie" you are also competing with the people under ""how to make apple pie" so always do research on the keywords that make sense and target your content to those keywords (or it will come across very awkward).
You also need to think about bounce rate. It may be easier to rank for these incorrect phrases, but I expect any visitor coming to your site and noticing the error may lose confidence and click away. It is worth testing what you can, and can't get away with - but I wouldn't overdo it. Interesting topic, I'll keep an eye on this thread. Thanks, Paul
I think it just a question of people not being bothered to put the "to" in the search box. I'd use them. We're not here to educate, just satisfy demand.
What about how to rank? I don't care what they type. The problem is incorporating keywords in the text of a blog that make no grammatical sense. Google is looking for natural content, and these type phrases make it impossible.
I am thinking use "How Make Apple Pie" as Post Title. Then, write naturally about how to make apple pie. What do you think?
It is the contradiction that puzzles me. Does google expect potential customers to have poor English, and website owners to have good English? (Suddenly I am very conscious of my grammar, etc. LOL)
The only sense I can make is that we are suppose to rank at all costs. So, we use the title "How Make Apple Pie" to capture the "low hanging fruit" and write naturally. Hopefully, that'll be good enough to rank. I can't image writing and ranking with nonsense sentences about bad grammar keywords.
The only other option would be to not choose the nonsense keywords in the first place. But, I did notice the "Diamond List" from Kyle is loaded with them.
Once we get more traffic and deserve Google Authority we can chase the higher volume keywords that make grammatical sense.
No. I have wondered about how to get a phrase like that into an article but it has to make sense. "I always wanted to make my apple pies just like my Gran but never knew how. Make apple pie from this recipe and you can see how"
Its a bit hard to put in together like this, and I dont really see the point - in that when you do a normal non " " search you get mixed up word order anyway.
The search suggestions are what people are typing in, people could be typing all sorts of daft stuff. If enough 3 year olds searched for < ahdiddii and chips > it would show up as a keyword. People may put in non gramatical searches but I am pretty sure they dont want to read articles with what they actually typed.
Good thinking Josh! Many students here should be told not to use the Keyword Diamond List without first researching their related keywords that make sense.
This gets to the heart of the problem. Nobody speaks like number 1, while most people speak like number 2, yet we are told that google likes plain language that people speak every day. This is given as the reason why google prefers good content to many links, yet good writing skills when choosing keywords is a disadvantage sometimes.
I have thought about this. Cheers for beating me to it. Sorry I don't know. I would like to see wahat the answer is.
I have thought about it for a while but have come to the conclusion that it's a distraction.
In the end well written content is king. Remember that searches are only one way to get traffic to your site.
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@famous With the new Google hummingbird, the content is more important than the keywords. I now put the related keywords in the meta, then keywords show up in the content organically. This is what the new algorithm is looking for.
Here is a link that might help explain.
https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/paul-dean/blog/latent-semantic-indexing-why-it-matters