MOBE &. A BIG Silver Cloud

Last Update: June 14, 2018

Yesterday, I read a post on here about MOBE

It Stunned me, but I have to say, I wasn't unduly surprised by what I read

It stated that MOBE has been shut down by the FTC. This is a fact

I was stunned because, prior to coming to WA, I had been a huge advocate of MOBE and was positioned at the GOLD membership, having been invited to join it by a business associate of mine, who I respected and as much as my previous LEO experience had taught me, trusted his judgement

Now it was through the MOBE 21 step business education, that I came to be at

Wealthy Affiliate

Since being here, the education, and affiliate bootcamp courses coupled with the live training and community support have shown and taught me, that the WA way is... The right way

Now that is not said lightly or because of what has happened to MOBE

It is said with the realism and acknowledgement that having tried other so called good established ventures in the past, which have worked, but had their flwas as well, that there is simply nothing out there to touch

Wealthy Affiliate

I earned through MOBE, I got back my investment, through showing others what I genuinely believed to be a good way of educating small business owners

However, Promotion of MOBE, as stated in the FTC papers, was hard, in some cases near impossible, because the links were blocked in most promotional places

I contacted my introducer to MOBE yesterday, to inform him of the news, because I knew he was working on another project and expected him to be as stunned as I was

He wasn't!!!... and knew about the news days before, but 'neglected to tell me

In fact he said, I'll TRY to call in the next couple of days, to discuss it with you, or if not I'll TRY to call later today

I have advised him not too, and explained my reasons why not

MOBE did advocate the use of Wordpress, which is another reason I ended up here at WA

After yestardays news, I spenf a good time addressing my profile here, and on another blog which was set up specifically for that. Luckily that one is not indexed for the search engines yet, nor is it hosted here

BUT

Every cloud has a silver lining, being here is home for me, the training, and webinars along with the community are excellent, first class and second to none

Yesterdays news also re~inforced to me a decision I had made a couple of weeks ago, which was

Scaling back on MOBE for the reasons listed above and one other venture I have, simply because compared to WA... They are not in the same class

For any newbies reading this, do not fall for shiny object syndrome... it does not exist

Truth, reality and working the smart way does exist here in WA, that much I can say is truthful and with enough support to ensure you make it

Onwards and Upwords

Applied Education really is the Difference

Thanks for reading

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Squiresp Premium
Hi Dave
I too, nearly invested in MOBE. Fortunately, I did not have the money to invest and also thought that Mobe would be a great all be it the expensive vehicle to earn money online. It seemed to me that we would earn from mobe by other people investing in the program. So, all in all, it was probably fate that intervened in me not going with Mobe.
I can't even remember how I came across WA but I am really pleased I did. Although I have not yet earned a penny, I have learned a hell of a lot about creating websites, SEO and content writing so as far as I am concerned so far, its been money well spent for the education alone.
Onwards and upwards.....

Regards
Paul
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davehayes Premium
Paul, believe me you are in the right place here to achieve all you need to, thats based on 18 years experience of most other ventures

One thing, thats noticeable, is that by being here, you get to see other marketers, who are not using this platform and other ventures, you get pitched either by them, or others, in their true light, so, by default, the replies you send back, should attract them to you

I had experience of this at the weekend, trying out a platform, I have been part of for around 5 years, but never fully understood how it works, yet by spending time there, which was about 30 minutes, potentially I may have 3 or 4 good prospects for WA

Hope that helps
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Roybretton Premium
Hello Dave, thank you for your excellent blog post and thank you for being so honest about it, I really appreciate it! This is an interesting one, I read on your profile a few weeks ago and saw that you were involved with Mobe, which kind of surprised me.

As you know, I started researching and learning about Internet marketing back in 2004 and I had never heard of Mobe at all until I went to an Internet marketing seminar with my girlfriend in 2015 (who is now my wife, fantastic) that she had signed up for.

I wasn't particularly interested because I've been to quite a few Internet marketing seminars before, but I went. It was basically a seminar telling you how hard it was to make money online and the organiser told us the wonders of Mobe and how amazing it was and how much money he was making, if you were new to Internet marketing you may have been taken in by the seminar, but I certainly wasn't, I really didn't like the product whatsoever, even though I have never heard of it before!

When I returned home I checked out Mobe and saw the reviews and it really wasn't very popular. The biggest thing that surprised me was that none of the Internet marketers that I have followed over the years and still follow now have never tried to promote this product, which suggested something to me! Incidentally, I do follow quite a few successful Internet marketers, probably too many!

I don't like the idea of having a product where there are potential losers, I believe that the people at the top of Mobe making huge amounts of money, but people right at the bottom of the scale and I guess there are huge numbers of them will be big losers. This is why I will never enter into this type of money making online.

The great thing is Dave that you are a member of the great Wealthy Affiliate community and there are plenty of great ways to make money online through learning the principles through this great program!

I sincerely hope you haven't lost money through what is happening and trust that you will be highly successful through your hard work and efforts at Wealthy Affiliate.

For your interest Dave, I have looked at many things online and in the early days I would have been much more tempted, but now and as you are, I believe we are much better to stick to a solid online genuine business.
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davehayes Premium
What a very comprehensive reply Roy, thanks for taking the time to write a lengthy one, which I enjoyed and can relate to

I haven't lost money as such, well maybe a few pounds in terms of the commission paid, but over all, I got back most of what I invested, shall we say, the rest I have written off

Like you I went to a seminar, and was gobsmacked to find people had literally arrived with BRAND new credit cards and were going all in on the day... Some were running to pay for it!!

I was heartened by the fact that two MLM marketers who I know personally and are fairly well known were in it, these people don't make illi nformed decisions, as far as I am aware, so I was 'happyish' being in it

My introducer, didn't do as I do, when in an opportunity, he was all in, but promoting only on facebook and not mich else

the promotions I tried, were poor, blocked links on Facebook and through various Manual Traffic Exchanges, ,which it has to be said didn't fill me with confidence

I got a couple of referrals as I did believe in what was being taught, the fact that they encouraged WordPress as a a blog platform, brought me here, rather than use Pure Leverage, which I was using, but which was fraught with issues, but paying me and still paying me, but problematical, so I looked for another blog platform, but wanted one which has exactly what we have here

PL claimed to have that, but in truth doesn't and the training through the smart marketing coaching programme, amounts to basic YouTube Videos and no more

There is far more here

You are right, WA provides everything we want right here and I believe, you and I have both found a home and business we can confidently call 'ours'... Well the fact that we have both adjusted several social profiles elsewhere to show WA, is testimonial enough really.

I have zero intention of going anywhere else, I have one other venture which I have been affiliated with for 9 years, that is established and compliments WA very nicely, by putting more meat on the meat we get here and certainly has had a very positive impact on it

In fact, there is another member here, also with the same venture and who has had very similar results to me with it and agrees with my thoughts, so its nice to have confirmation of that : )

Wow.. a very long reply, but at least our posts will help others here and possibly like you may be, I plan to document this on my blog

Incidentally and in closing, my MOBE introducer, despite me saying not to call... Hasn't anyway and I don't believe he is a good online marketer anyway, as he uses Facebook Only

Have a great weekend, and glad your girlfriend is now your wife, marriage is a great club and we are both fortunate to have very good wives

I've finished now!!! : )
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Roybretton Premium
Thank you, Dave, you have also sent me a very comprehensive answer!

I find it amazing how people are sucked into programs like this or maybe it is through desperation! I wonder what the percentage of people who make money out of Mobe actually is and how many actually take action at all.

I'm guessing that platforms like Mobe probably rely on people buying and never taking action and this is the part that I don't like. I agree that it is up to us to take action but I can imagine people start to take action and then find they are up against so many obstacles that they give up and lose all their money, very unfair!

With a platform like Wealthy Affiliate, there are no deadlines to meet, we can go at our own pace and it works, we are building something really genuine.

I'm very pleased that you haven't lost money as such Dave and also by sharing your story hopefully other people won't buy into similar programs.

Enjoy your week and kindest regards,

Roy
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WOW! I'm not sure why I didn't, but I really didn't expect to find others who were experiencing the FTC closure of MOBE. I was positioned at Titanium and am one of those "poor souls" who didn't have it to begin with. Now I'm flailing to recover and pay off the huge debt for THAT lesson learned. Unfortunately, it is not my first time experiencing the govt intervening in something I FINALLY decided to jump on. That first one emptied our retirement. I look forward to learning from you all here at WA. SO GLAD I found it!
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davehayes Premium
Thanks for commenting and really sorry to hear of that. I was recently 6 weeks ago 'bombarded' with calls from my uplines, upline, to get me to Titanium

I resisted, and am so glad I didn't, as my entire focus is here and staying here.
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michelemarie Premium
That seems a little suss to me!
Maybe your upline knew what was coming!
Good grief the greed for loot throws integrity under the bus!
Michele
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davehayes Premium
Absolutely, but every cloud!
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michelemarie Premium
Yes, I know, love that; ' look for the silver lining', Mmmm....but
I think I am a cynic!
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davehayes Premium
We are all Cynics Michele in some form, but my silver cloud is that I found this, which is awesome and teaches aboslutely the right way to brand, promote and earn, and gives me my own business... While my former MOBE upline, is STILL promoting affiliate only ventures and hustling on facebook!. I know this because I am still in on the groups he has, not for any other reason, than to see what drivel he is putting out

He is spouting passive income via affiliate ventures, whereas I am teaching passive income in the smartest possible way, through your own bloffice(blog/office) and have learned way more than he is ever likely to
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JooKwang Premium
Thanks for this important share. I mentioned in my blog review and also in another WA blog that MOBE did not struck me as being unsustainable. Initially it was the massive up-sells that unsettle me but gradually it boils down to this. I'm glad I didn't invest in it. I was actually close to going for their 3 day workshop back then in 2017.
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davehayes Premium
Jook, thanks for the reply and comment, I appreciate it. As mentioned and ironically enough, having landed here, through MOBE and having experienced other education systems, everything I want is here, which is awesome.

Online, in My Opinion and having experienced life as both an 'affiliate' only and now as a 'business owner' with this great membership platform, there is really only one way to create a good sustainable business which will produce the type of income we all wish for and that is

Building our OWN WA Membership site, because we have total control over the entire process, plus excellent support to boot
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GlenPalo Premium
Right or wrong, I thought MOBE was a good idea executed poorly.

Considering the cost of the program, I felt it was better to get training from well-established experts on an ad hoc basis. For example, Neil Patel occasionally offers an advanced marketing course, which cost $1,000 several years ago the last time I checked.
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davehayes Premium
Glen, you make a valid point, from experience which we both have over the years, good training is available for sure, we have both experienced that

However, quality premium Wordpress and Social Media training to build our OWN membership sites, is not so readily available, UNTIL we come here, then its in ABUNDANCE for sure
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BetterDays2C Premium
WOW! I dodged a bullet! I was also looking for something else, and ran into a very sweet older couple that ran an ad. I called them up and they were selling MOBE. I spent quite a lot of time talking to the woman, and after she told me they had borrowed almost $60,000 on 6 different credit cards (offered by "friends" of MOBE) and had made back $40,000 in 11 months, I calculated it would take them 2 more years of selling before they EVER made a dime! And they had 6 credit card payments every month totaling over $1,000 per month. One thing I will not do is borrow money to be scammed! Sometimes I have had the money and gotten scammed. But I have never incurred debt to be scammed! That has probably saved me many times, and this was one of those times. I gratefully thanked her and hung up, knowing that we would not be signing up. THANK YOU GOD!! I really feel sorry for them now because they are older and retired like myself and my husband. They are going to lose their shirts! SO SAD!!!
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davehayes Premium
BetterDays, Yes you may have dodged a bullet !... However, let me reassure you, as for looking for something else, you have everything you want here. I feel sorry for the beesleys and others who put heart and ssoul into it, being affiliates.
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AlexEvans Premium
Hi Dave, thanks for sharing your experiences, there is some info at this link.

http://www.bernet-receiver.com/

The American legal system seems really interesting, looking in.

Many of us have had experiences with platforms that at the time we took to be the bee's knee's it is only with an expanded knowledge we can look at things and see where there could be improvements.

I think that you have expressed it really well, "applied knowledge " here at WA not only do we get the knowledge but also the resources to make it possible to achieve and these resources seem to be in a state of constant development which brings a unique value to the members in that the membership fees are constant.
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davehayes Premium
Alex, thanks for commenting and the link, which I have seen, courtesy of Mikhael
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Sammy-B Premium
This is an interesting story, Dave. I think we are, of course, far less critical of something if recommended to us by a trusted person. What I wonder is - was your business associate aware of what he recommended to you or did he actually believe in MOBE when he invited you to join? How long did you stay with MOBE before you noticed the flaws/problems promoting it?
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davehayes Premium
To answer your question about my associate Sammy, he actually believed in MOBE and so recommended it too me, after seeing a blog I sent to him, which he stated I would do well with MOBE, hence I joined

I was with it for about a year, before I noticed the flaws and my reason for joining was to start my own membership site, using my experiences in affiliate marketing to show others the right way

Ironically, MOBE and another venture I have been part of for the last 9 years, were the catalust for that, the other venture I am with I feel lucky to be part of because, it puts more meat on the meat we get here thriugh the training

Even more ironical that since being here, I have now discovered that I have what I wanted through MOBE... only BETTER and way more thorough, hence the Silver Cloud

Thats not me being full of hype or anything, just a realistic overview of what we have here.
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Sammy-B Premium
Thanks for the realistic overview, Dave. I think it's quite scary that sometimes there is no way to tell whether there are issues with a platform when you join.
This is one of the reasons I chose WA - I thought a platform that has been around for so many years must be viable. But that sort of decision is rarely that easy.
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RobFore Premium
Dave - over the past two decades me and my wife have made money with a half dozen programs that no longer exist today. It happens. MOBE took me by surprise as well because it has been around for what... 5, 6, 7 years? Usually if fraudulent, the go down in less than 3.
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Borneoman Premium
Are you the Rob Fore the Network Internet Marketing Coach? :-)
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davehayes Premium
Rob, thanks for your comments my friend and good to see you here at WA, as you will see on the profile message I left you, your membership here, is great testament to HOW goo this platform is, especially for the newbies and those looking for the right way

As for MOBE, I agree with your sentiments entirely, in fact I think Matt Lloyd may have created it off the back of previous ventures he was an affiliate with, along with us, if his bio was to be believed
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herc01 Premium
I like yourself was involved with MOBE , but wasn't convinced into taking the expensive plunge into the full platform. I am surprised that the platform has been shut down , it did seem like a reputable business model.
I to cannot speak highly enough of Wealthy Affiliates Platform. For me, the fact that it can be started for free, thus giving time to analyse and review systems before taking on the up sell for the full program.
Support ,knowledge,training, social network and value for money are massive ticks for me with Wealthy Affiliate.
I feel my story to a lesser degree is similar to yours, so I am now following you and wish you all the best with Wealthy Affiliate.
Cheers Matt
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davehayes Premium
Matt,thanks for taking the time to comment, as you say, the business model seemed reputable enough and I took assurance that some of the big names in affilliate marketing were associated with it, and because they were earning big bucks, thought that was how they did it

However, when you have issues promoting things, you ask questions

I know that MOBE was influencing people towards the WSGT & WSGC as traffic models, which for their costs were expensive, when there was no real evidence that those people had actually got any traffic from it

Now I used a traffic exchange myself, still do, which is at the bottom end of the scale, however, the traffic and buyers from it, are good, which is why I still use it, its the only one I do use

Reason why?... Because for the last 9 years gave relied soley on attraction marketing to get my prospects & that works far better for me
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herc01 Premium
Very handy tips with the traffic exchange , I’ll check it out . I may need to add it to my strategies. Cheers Matt
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Jnsiah Premium
Thanks Dave, wow this is the first time I am hearing about the MOBE closure. I read about it but found it too good to be true so never signed up.
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davehayes Premium
Thanks for commenting Jnnsiah
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Nick-at-WA Premium
Hi Dave, I was also involved with MOBE, but luckily I only lost that initial $39. I smelled a rat when they came with those ridiculous upsells. I immediately quit.

The good thing is that I also stumbled upon WA through them.
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davehayes Premium
Nick thanks for commenting and as you can atest too, evey cloud has a silver lining
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Nick-at-WA Premium
Sure...
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HeidiY Premium
I feel so lucky to have stumbled upon WA first and not had to wade through a heap of other programs to find it.
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MKearns Premium
Like getting rid of a launch phase vehicle. You move on!
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RichBrennan Premium
Someone tried to get me into MOBE / MTTB a couple of years back. I'd been in Empower Network for some time and look what happened to that, too. I've tried others such as MLSP, Carbon Copy Pro, DotCom SecretsX, to name but a few and none of them are a patch on Wealthy Affiliate.
Here, what you see is what you get at a consistent and extremely affordable price.
Within all of the other programmes you get constantly bombarded with upsells that you apparently can't do without, always at that very familiar $997 'today only' price tag.
Wealtthy Affiliate has everything we need. There is no need to look anywhere else. I only wish I'd found it before wasting literally $1000's on other 'flashing bells and whistles' programmes.
Thanks for sharing :-)
Cheers
Rich
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davehayes Premium
Oh Rich, nate... like you I was part of Empowerm but didn't like their commission structure, MLSP I have done with some success, Carbon copy Pro, was a pile of rubbish when I got it and got a refund on it

WA is IT...and your comments are spot on
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RichBrennan Premium
Empower changed their commission structure every other month, it seemed like - giving a bit less every time. Dave W got a bit greedy, I think.
We're definitely in the right place at the right time here :-)
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RAFStuart Premium
Hi Dave,
Also in shock, whilst I personally did not have a good time with MOBE, though it cost me a few £K, I was still getting mails from them until a few days ago.
Agree we are better off here, whilst I think, my Google + account I take it that I can use any website on it, even if not yet on WA!
Regards
Stuart
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davehayes Premium
Stuart, yes any website that is not an affiliated link. in other words a blog is fine
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RAFStuart Premium
Many thanks Dave.
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davehayes Premium
Your welcome and while it may not make much sense, it shows Google that you are an author producing quality content, or at least thats how they see it.

It also helps your rankings as well

Its one of the reasons I use Google+ and YouTube
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RAFStuart Premium
Just an awesome fountain of knowledge. Will be doing you tube as I progress, do you use your own cameras, or a program on the pc!
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davehayes Premium
Not sure about fountain of knowledge, as such: ) but thanks for the kind words

As for camera, I got a Advent PC camera which sits n top of my office Desk Top and use Screencast omatc, because of all the ones I have used, such as JING, its theeasiest to use, with less hassle

I use it to produce my video training here at WA as well
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RAFStuart Premium
Many thanks for this.
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codevonish Premium
I was not aware of MOBE but I am curious.What was the issue with promotions ,how is the same issue different at WA?
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newmarketpro Premium
Both programs have their educational program. The major differences in them is that MOBE had products that their member can promote and be profitable from the sales.

WA is totally a membership site providing the education for the members. There is no side products we can promote (except Jaaxy which a tool related to the program).

From what I have read, FTC shuts it down on two counts:
1) Misleading marketing
2) Refund processing - some members actually lodged reports on this.

It is s temporary stop to the program. There is a hearing on 26Jun to determine if the ruling is going to be permanent or whether the sanction will be uplifted.

:)
Joe
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davehayes Premium
Courtney, they gave promotional links, which where you tried to promote them, EG on facebook, some traffic exchnages and such like, were blocked

They were leaningtwoards ClickFunnels for LCPs, but that never really took off
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davehayes Premium
Spot on Joe, either way, confidence llost with MOBE from my point of view

I am lucky in respect of the fact, that a venture I affiliated with 9 years ago and which I am still part of today, with no problems at all, actually has How To products, which put the meat on the meat of what we get here

So, every cloud does have a silver lining, it also makes promotion of WA, from my point of view at least, even EASIER!!

&Thats; is BIIIIGGGGGGG Silver Cloud : )
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codevonish Premium
Thanks for the clarification.No other place like WA.I knew Admin had a reason to hold back on that issue.
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codevonish Premium
I know you can list them under your profile but I was not certain about a blog post
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davehayes Premium
Joe has given a good reply to your question courtney
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newmarketpro Premium
The heading caught my attention Dave as I was with MOBE for a few months some years ago. MOBE had training platform, some checklist that you need to complete. I pity the owner if really the program had been shut down. I know there were many top online marketers affiliated with the program. Not really sure what had happened.

Thanks for sharing it here. WA is here to stay,

:)
Joe
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davehayes Premium
There were a a lot of TOP online marketers in it, some I know personally and one particular one, just by the fact they were, was encourgament to me, but there were far too many issues with it, from the start in terms of promotion restrictions, for me to be totally happy with it
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kimgwinter Premium
Great affirmation that WA is truly the best place to be with our online businesses. Thanks for sharing Dave.
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davehayes Premium
It is Kim, thanks for commenting and taking the time to do so
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