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Full Backup Using WP Clone Plugin

There are a few popular backup plugins but they all have some drawbacks.

Updraft Plus does not work at Wealthy Affiliate because of the CRON settings.

BackWPup does not have a restore function. Backups can only be restored using the Premium plugin or FTP.

Duplicator’s restore function only works on a brand new site where WordPress has not been installed.

And WP Clone can create a lot of files on the server which could cause problems if they were allowed to build up.

My Recommendation: Use WP Clone as I show you in this video. Delete the older files as you create new ones. And, of course, deactivate the plugin when you’re not actually using it.

WordPress Tools Export backs up your posts, pages and comments. It doesn't back up your images, other media, plugins or themes.

WP Clone can back up the whole kit and caboodle. And restore it again if needed.

To be on the safe side I always use Tools Export as well as WP Clone. Yeah, I know, I'm a bit paranoid. I also like to keep at least 3 backups in 3 different places. And I don't always trust plugins until I've tested them thoroughly.


IMPORTANT: Always deactivate plugins that you only use occasionally as they can cause problems.


Related Training:

Use Tools Export every day 30 Second Daily Backups

Keep your website up to date Updates

If you want to use FTP How to Backup Your Website with File Zilla

More Training by Marion Black - Sorted


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MaggieR1 Premium
Hi Marion
Thank you for your wp clone back up training. I've tried to implement what I've learnt in this training but couldn't go far with it because I got a warning that " this plugin has not been tested with my current version of WordPress. " wp faills in 10 to 20 % of installations as such not recommended as a regular backbackup method. What do I need to do?
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MarionBlack Premium
The plugin appears to be abandoned, Maggie, but in most cases it still works. I'm still using it for my smaller sites but my main site is too big and the backup fails.

I always use more than one method of backing up. I use Updraft Plus daily and FTP once a month.
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MaggieR1 Premium
Thank you for your reply Marion. I'm still new in this business and I dont even know what an updraft plus is. Do you perhaps have some tutorial that teaches how to use an updraft method? Thank you once again for all your help.
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MarionBlack Premium
It's another plugin, Maggie. Go to Plugins > Add New and search for Updraft Plus.
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MaggieR1 Premium
Thank you. Will do.
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tudogz Premium
Hi Marion.
Just a couple of points.
1. I was under the impression that we didn't need to worry about back-ups, as WA takes care of that for us.
2. In your video you say Updraft won't work here at WA, yet in your comments you say you use it yourself.?
Thanks for another valuable training btw. Just wanted to clarify these points.
Thomas.
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MarionBlack Premium
WA does incremental backups and doesn't keep any historical files for you so they only have one restoration point. If you want to revert to what your website was like a few days ago then you'll need to have your own backup.

Updraft Plus can be used at WA manually but the automatic backups don't work here.
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tudogz Premium
Thanks Marion.
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CandP Premium
Hi Marion. We are a little confused as to which way we should go with our backups. Here you are recommending WP Clone and we can see why, at first sight, this would seem to be the best option. What concerns us is the fact it has not been updated for over two years and has not been tested for compatibility with the current version of WordPress. In fact, we seem to recall a comment by an Ambassador recently (can't remember who) who said it is not compatible. Also in your post, Website Backup and Migration (last updated February 9, 2018) you seem to be saying forget WP Clone, although we may be misunderstanding you there.
Clearly, it is easier to go with a single plugin that backs up everything. Is there another plugin you would recommend even if we had to pay for the premium version?
Right now we are using WordPress Tools Export but, as our website grows, we are getting increasingly nervous about only backing up the database and nothing else.
We value your opinion and would really appreciate your advice.
Hope you are having a great weekend.
Colette and Philip
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MarionBlack Premium
There's an old saying "If it's not broken then don't fix it". The only thing that's broken with WP Clone is that it no longer copies the link when you click on "Copy Link". But there's no point in copying the link anyway. Just download the file it generates and save it on your computer.

I still use WP Clone regularly but I also use Updraft Plus. It's the backup plan for my backup plan.
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CandP Premium
Thank you, Marion. Also, thank you for getting back to us so early in the morning (there), we didn't realize the local time when we sent our message.
Colette and Philip
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bpais1 Premium
Hi Marion,

Got an update for you. Trish (Triblu) recently posted a blog about WP Clone by WP Academy, , saying that WP Clone "hasn't been tested with the last 3 major releases of WordPress."

I checked the Changelog for WP Clone and saw that it hasn't been updated since 28 Jan., 2017.

This makes me very unsure about using it. Do you think it is still a valid and effective free backup plugin?

I hope so - because BackWPup won't work for me. It will run the backup job but, when I try to download the zip file, I get this message: "Response body too large." And, if I can't download a backup to my computer for safekeeping, I'm not happy using it.

Do I need to be searching for another free backup plugin that works as well as WP Clone? Or, is WP Clone still your top choice?

Jim
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MarionBlack Premium
Try Updraft Plus. I've been using it to run daily backups which I save on my computer. Until a few days ago I'd never tried to actually restore a website using Updraft Plus but I helped a friend fix his website after it had been hacked and Updraft Plus worked. It produces 5 zip files which you can extract if need be.

I'm not sure if it works on WA hosting.
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bpais1 Premium
Hi Marion,

I thought you said that Updraft Plus doesn't work in Wealthy Affiliates because of the CRON settings...though I'm WordPress challenged...because I don't even know what "CRON settings" are, actually.

:-)

Jim
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MarionBlack Premium
Best to ask Site Support about what's supported here, Jim.
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bpais1 Premium
Will do, Marion.

Just gave Updraft Plus a try. It took forever and a day to backup. And, I got the same message when trying to download the backup files to my computer. Go figure!

Maybe I'll give All in One Migration a try.

In the meantime, I'll keep pluggin' along with WP Clone - since it still seems to do the job.

Jim
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Labman Premium
I have been using the All in One Migration for several years now. It makes backups easy. I don't automate the backups though.
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bpais1 Premium
All-in-One Migration is next on my list, Craig. I still want to use WP Clone as long as I can - but, I also want a good backup.

Thanks,

Jim
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MarionBlack Premium
Are you using the premium version, Craig? The free version has a size restriction unless you edit the code on a legacy version. And I don't know what app to use to open a .wpress file.
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bpais1 Premium
MarionBlack Premium
WOW! It's extracting right now. I'm impressed! Thank you.
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bpais1 Premium
You're quite welcome! I think when I use it, I'll probably re-package everything into a zip file for easy storage.

Jim
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Miranda6 Premium
Thank you so much for making this video! It wasn’t very helpful. I did this because I have to leave for a bit but eventually do want to join back up with WA. So do you know how I go about seeing my website? When I sign back in, how do I retrieve my website?
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MarionBlack Premium
You'll want to contact Site Support, Miranda. According to Kyle, your website can be restored up to 6 months after you leave. But please, download the backup file and save it on your computer.
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FutureGuru Premium
I'm moving my site and the host I'm moving it to will move the site for me. So some hosts move it for you and some don't, I suppose. I made a backup and downloaded it. It's all very easy but I have 2 questions.
1) On the WP Clone page it says the restore process fails 10% of the time. Is it more reliable when the host moves the site for you than if you do it yourself?
2) The only restore options on the WP Clone page restore from a URL. How do you restore from a backup on your PC? Thanks.
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MarionBlack Premium
If you have a professional moving the site for you then they probably use more reliable methods of backing up and restoring. I do. Check out my instructions at http://marionblackonline.com/move
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preciepas Premium
Hi there. I did the first part of the backing up lesson (export), the thing is that I can't find that WordPress Express website builder that Kyle used to get a free domain so I can import back my files. I tried the site website builder with a free domain, but its not working. I need help. Thank you.
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MarionBlack Premium
I read elsewhere that you got it sorted now, well done.
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bpais1 Premium
Hi Marion,

Recently, I tried to restore my "test website" with a backup of my "main website" - using a WP Clone backup zip file.

It successfully migrated all posts and pages - but, it did not migrate the media library.

Do you have any thoughts as to why the media library didn't get cloned?

Is there another way to migrate the media library to my "test website?"

Jim
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MarionBlack Premium
Try Updraft Plus or FTP.
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bpais1 Premium
I've got BackWPup, WP Clone, and All-In-One WP Migration - and none of them did a complete restore for me - so, I just contacted our wonderful SiteSupport. They fixed it.

Jim
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Cheri7 Premium
Hi Marion,
Thank you for your video about "backup".

Could you help me?
I need update "WordPress" to the newest version and it says I should backup before I do.

I haven't backup before. This will be the first time.
So I followed your way and just did "export".
Then I just got a question... can I install WP clone now?
Your way seems updated before install.
But I have 7 updates ( WordPress, 2 plugin, 4 theme ) and I am not sure if it is ok to install WP clone before these updates. Or should I update some of these before?

I'm not good at computer.
I would appreciate it if you would give me some advice.

P.S. English is my second language, so I am sorry may not be correct English...
Cheri
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MarionBlack Premium
I backup every day and check for updates every day. I recommend that you install and run WP Clone and then use it to backup your website. It gets easier every time.

Your English is much better than my attempts at any other language.
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Cheri7 Premium
Hi Marion,
Thank you very much for your really quick reply.
I will try to install WP clone first.

I appreciate your help.
Cheri
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HeidiY Premium
Thank you Marion, I have backed up my site for the first time ever using WP Clone, and so far no problems. It was one of those things I had been meaning to do and just not got around to it so thanks for the tutorial to spur me into action.
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MarionBlack Premium
Great! Now make a note in your diary/calendar to backup regularly :)
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monamassoud Premium
Hi Marion. I want to backup my website using a plugin and Triblu recommended your training on backing up using WP Clone. I'm glad I watched this video as I was about to install one of the first three plugins you mentioned at the beginning without knowing the cons.

My question here is does it matter if the WP Clone plugin is not compatible with the latest version of WordPress?

Thank you,
Mona
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MarionBlack Premium
WP Clone hasn't been updated for about a year but it still works fine. I'm still using it to backup my websites and also to migrate other people's websites from one hosting to another. I work on the theory if it's not broken then don't fix it :)
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monamassoud Premium
OK sounds good. Thanks Marion :)
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BrigitteB Premium
Hi Marion

In trying to get my head round what/how to do with setting up a new drag & drop theme, I thought it would be better to do it on a test site first and if all is well then transfer it to the live site as previously recommended. So I'm testing different things.

I remembered you made this fab training :)
It turns out I used your training to create a backup in March 2017 of this live site. All was successful, I have made another backup today & have them on my hard drive. What I hadn't tried was restoring using the backup file to see if they worked as yours did in the video. I've just tried restoring both back ups on a test site several times & keep coming up with the same error message:

The plugin encountered an error while downloading the zip file,the following error message was returned:
Error Message : cURL error 7: couldn't connect to host

Temporary files created in **SITE-ROOT**/wp-content/wpclone-temp will be deleted.


- What do you think this means?
- Does it make a difference that the test site is a siterubix subdomain?
- When restoring on another site do we need to set it up in any specific way beforehand (i.e. users, theme, plugins ...) or should the restore take care of all that?

As you can see I don't fully understand it all & would love your guidance.

Many thanks
Brigitte
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MarionBlack Premium
Yes, it makes a difference that you're using a SiteRubix subdomain. Wealthy Affiliate hosting doesn't permit migrating a website from one domain name to another using WP Clone. You can only restore a website on its original domain name.

If you'd like to make sure that the restore process is working for you then you could create a practice subdomain on your own dot com, back it up, delete all the content and then restore from the backup.
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BrigitteB Premium
Fancy that! I already have a subdomain on this particular dot com, which I was using for testing things. However from what you're saying the backups of my main site can't be tested on my own subdomain of same site. Mmmm... so I guess I need to rethink my strategy.

Thanks so much for your help Marion :)
I will test the restore in time as per your suggestion.
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bpais1 Premium
Well, Marion, I have to say that I like the functions of WP Clone much better than the BackWPup I have been using. Especially, since it looks to be a much easier and simpler way to restore a website.

But, I'm curious as to why WA support recommends BackWPup. They told me that BackWPup is preferable for backing up websites.

Why do you think that is?

Jim
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MarionBlack Premium
That's a very good question, Jim. I find that WP Clone is easier to use than BackWPUp, especially for newbies. BackWPUp has a lot of settings to tweak before you use it.
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bpais1 Premium
It looks to me like both WP Clone and BackWPup are fine to use and achieve the desired backup protection. They each have their own special positives and negatives.

Jim
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MarionBlack Premium
I use WP Clone and Updraft Plus. I'm paranoid.
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bpais1 Premium
Well...Marion. I've now become a WP Clone advocate!

BackWPup seemed to fill my needs - until I was not able to download the zip file to my desktop the other day. And, their customer support was absolutely no help at all.

So, I followed the K.I.S.S. principle and just finished my first backup with WP Clone. It went well - no glitches. And, it provided me with an automatic download link to the zip file.

Moving on...

Jim
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saraeannette Premium
This is awesome thank you!! So I have done a full back up on my site just now. I would like to move it into WA. I have already moved over my hosting into wealthy affiliate, and I am working on moving over my domain name. So now I just have to move over the website. Do I just go into WA Build my website and do it under my domain name, create a new website under it and then restore my files onto the new website just like you did? Once I have done that what happens to the previous website? Is there now two websites running on this server and will that mess up my traffic? How do I go about doing the move? Thank you! :)
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MarionBlack Premium
WA is a bit different to other hosting in that there's no access to the databases (for the safety of newbies). Contact Site Support and they'll walk you through the process of restoring your website here.
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saraeannette Premium
thank you so much
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saraeannette Premium
Is it ok that I moved my hosting and domain name before moving my website? I just want to make sure I am doing everything correctly so I don't lose my site. Thanks again, you have been more than helpful!
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nathaniell Premium
I would do one at a time. Sounds like you are in the middle of transferring your domain here, so I'd finish that up.

Site Support can get you set up pretty easily from there.https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/websites/support

If you do it yourself, you'll have to then build a blank website website here, import your XML file (that you downloaded while your site was active), upload your wp-content folder via FTP, and then switch over your DNS to WA's servers.

SiteSupport may have a different order of events!
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saraeannette Premium
Thank you! I went ahead and let SiteSupport do it. I’m not good with all the really technical stuff. They took care of it, and very quickly too. :)
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MarionBlack Premium
Thanks for stepping in Nathaniell.
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BooBish Premium
I just installed WP Clone and downloaded zip file, as shown in video, Marion.

I have a few questions:

1. So do we need to go through procedure to back up every time we write a new post or page? And that would mean that we often have to delete the old backup files on the plug-in (to leave just the most recent two), right?

2. Not sure what you mean exactly to deactivate plug-in when not in use. I mean, what is the criterion in terms of time span of plug-in being not in use that determines to turn it off or not? If we don't expect to use a plug-in in, say, 5 days, should we deactivate the plug-in? And does this apply to ALL plug-ins? (I assume All-In-One-SEO should always be activated whereas EWW Image Optimizer should be deactivated, but when exactly?)
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Labman Premium
Backup with the WordPress Export feature when you add content. A full backup should be done when you are updating WordPress or your Plugins.

This plugin should be enabled, used, then disabled when you are done with your backup.

Most plugins will always be enabled the backup plugin is the exception.
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BooBish Premium
Thanks for the clear explanation, Labman. I see. I'm going to deactivate (only the WP Clone) right now then, since it will be used rarely.
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islantresj Premium
Hi Marion,
I just followed your WP Clone steps, clicked on the download zip file, and got the following message:

"wpclone back up. zip is not commonly downloaded and may be dangerous" [Discard] [Keep] [Learn More]

Is this an error message you've ever encountered before?
(Not sure what to do...)

Thx!
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Labman Premium
All In One WP Migration will work for you.
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islantresj Premium
Thank you, Craig :)

I like that in Marion's post above she mentions that WPClone provides a complete backup:

She says -- "WordPress Tools Export backs up your posts, pages and comments. It doesn't back up your images, other media, plugins or themes. WP Clone can back up the whole kit and caboodle. And restore it again if needed."

Craig, do you know off hand if WPMigration does posts, pages, comments AS WELL AS images, other media, plugins and themes, and restores if needed?

thx again :)
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SurfsideBob Premium
You'll see this message when downloading any files that have an executable (.exe) code in them. This is the file that actually initiates the software to run. WP Clone is safe and is used by the techs here at WA. It's on 10 of my sites. Hope this helps! :-)
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islantresj Premium
Thank you Bob! So... (just because I'm paranoid), I can feel confident going ahead and clicking the link provided that says, "[Keep]"?

(By the way hope all is well at the beach... send me a postcard, won't you?) (sigh) ;)
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SurfsideBob Premium
Yes ma'am, my pleasure, and you are certainly safe in running this. In fact, the best way to do an install is as follows:

Log in to your site dashboard, on the left side select Plugins > Add New. In your search bar enter WP Clone. You'll see WP Clone by WP Academy. Select Install Now, and then Activate. From there follow the prompts they give you and you're all set.

Here's a direct link to the plugin at the WP Repository to learn more. https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-clone-by-wp-academy/
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islantresj Premium
Thx again, will check out that link :)
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islantresj Premium
Oh ya, one more thing... You rock!
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islantresj Premium
Hey Bob,

I just checked out the WPClone documentation and noticed it says something I have a question about...

Marc says...
"WP Clone is NOT intended as a regular backup method, its strength consists in migrating WordPress installations."

I was intending to use it as an everyday back up (since I'm working on my site daily for now).

Any further thoughts on this would be great! thx again for everything.
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SurfsideBob Premium
Ha, into the wine already? lol Need to press on and get dinner ready for my bride. Talk soon, peace. :-)
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islantresj Premium
No worries! will keep on trekkin' along here...
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Labman Premium
WP migration does all of the above. It is typically used to move a site to new hosting. Creating a backup of your current site and saving it to a file is what it does then you can restore it to a new site or just keep the file as a backup.
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MarionBlack Premium
Your computer is not used to you downloading zip files so it gives you a warning. It will give you that warning every time you try to download a file of any format that you haven't saved before.

The file you get from WP Clone is perfectly safe to save on your computer.
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SurfsideBob Premium
Hey there, a little middle of the night catch up before going back to bed. lol

Yes my friend, WP Clone is used primarily for migrating sites rather than backing them up. I use Filezilla FTP Client Server to copy most of my site files.

Marion provided a training on site backups that you can find here. Peace my friend.
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islantresj Premium
Thanks Craig, that clarifies things for me!
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islantresj Premium
Thanks Marion,

- So do you think I should expect to get that warning every time?

When I used to use Weebly I actually saved a backup zip everyday -- but of course it wasn't through a plugin so maybe that's the difference?

Thanks for all of your thorough training!
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MarionBlack Premium
I expect it will happen a few more times until you 'teach' your computer that zip files are OK.
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islantresj Premium
Thx again Bob :)

Yes, I had seen Marion's training about WPClone, installed & tried it out, and then got the scary 'this zip file could be dangerous' message and freaked out, which brings me to today...!

So another question (if you have time...)

When you say above that you use Filezilla FTP Client Server to copy site files, do you mean that's your backup method?
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islantresj Premium
Ok that makes sense, thank u!

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Another question if you have time...

I noticed that the creator of WPClone Marc in a YouTube vid on the WP Academy site says...
"WP Clone is NOT intended as a regular backup method, its strength consists in migrating WordPress installations."

Marion, as I was intending to use WPClone as an everyday backup method, I'd be interested to know your thoughts on whether I should use it everyday.

thx again for everything.
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MarionBlack Premium
The thing with using it often is that it makes huge files which take up room on the server. Each time I create a new backup I delete one of the old backup files so I only ever have 2 backups on the server at any given moment.

I also use Updraft Plus to backup to Amazon S3, plus a database plugin and FTP. I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to protecting my business assets.
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islantresj Premium
ok thank you... and yes, I'm just as paranoid! (if you couldn't tell ha ha).

Thanks for all your info, it helps me to narrow it down.

If you happen to have any tutorial or other resource regarding the FTP method in relation to WA, I'd be interested.

So you are still using WPClone? (along with the other items you mention)

I too would like to establish a foolproof routine!
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MarionBlack Premium
Yes, definitely still using WP Clone.

Re FTP, here's one I prepared earlier :)
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SurfsideBob Premium
Marion, I thought you indicated that Updraft doesn't work on the WA platform.
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MarionBlack Premium
Updraft Plus requires outbound connections which are not automatically available at WA. You can ask Site Support to make an exception for you. I have my main websites hosted elsewhere.
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SurfsideBob Premium
Are you talking about outbound connections to upload directly to Amazon or another server type? I typically ran the backups and downloaded the files to my hard drive. I'll install it and see how I fare. Thanks Marion!
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islantresj Premium
Ok great, and (oops) sorry forgot about that other FTP training you had done (thanks for the link!)
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SurfsideBob Premium
Hey there I&T,
When I had all my sites elsewhere I used Updraft Plus as a backup https://wordpress.org/plugins/updraftplus/ and also utilized FileZilla for FTP. I misunderstood one aspect of Marion's training, which seemed to indicate that Updraft did not work here at WA.

It does work, however the feature that doesn't work properly is then uploading those backup files to a remote server. Since I never used that method anyway, I decided to install Updraft and see what happened.

I installed and activated Updraft, then ran the backup. As in the past, I then downloaded each of those 5 backup files to my computer. You will have to manually tell your computer to "keep" each file when it is downloaded. This is simply a security measure.

You will probably not be able to download the Log file, so simply copy that data and paste it into a plain text document. Go to your desktop, right click and create a compressed folder. For example, the one I created today was 17.1118_MayhemBackup. Then drag all of your backup files and log file into this compressed folder.

At this point you can delete the files from Updraft so that the files do not take up server space. Once your files are saved into your compressed folder and you have deleted them from the server, you can then deactivate Updraft so that it doesn't affect site speed. Simply activate it whenever you want to conduct a backup and repeat these steps.

With all of that in mind I would (and do) use FileZilla FTP to save documents, images, etc. Hope this helps! :-)
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Neil Little Premium
This depends on whether or not you have a managed account because if you do you do not need to do this.
I have hosting here plus other hosting which is looked after for me.
But if you don't have this type of hosting then it is a good idea to Back Up your own site.
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wendyg53 Premium
I finally sat and watched this twice and actually did it on my own. Thank you Marion for training that cuts right to the chase, no fluff.

One question - when I press the URL feature to copy a URL nothing happens I have TextEdit instead of Notepad since I'm on a Mac. Any ideas why this might be. I'm ok with just a backup zip file on my computer, so if the URL feature doesn't work it's probably not a big deal. At least I hope it's not a big deal.

Thanks again for excellent training.

:-)
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MarionBlack Premium
I totally ignore the URL but I think it copies the URL to your clipboard so you can paste it into TextEdit. I save all my backups to my computer.

Nobody's got time for fluff (◠‿◕✿)
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My-Mate-Bert Premium
HIya, Marion - brilliant stuff here.

Very sound info & very sound advice - well done & thanks. And thanks for the WP Clone plugin link on a different training article you've kindly done to help us all - very handy to know.

I was in business systems development for decades and we always taught users about backups - they're vital.

We always recommended a 4 set backup system - 3 in daily rotation + 1 monthly backup. That way no client ever lost more than 1 day's work at the very most.

Having always used FTP full backup we've always found this to be a reliable method but it can take an hour to download a full FTP backup when, like us, you've got loads of stuff (products mainly).

Over the years because we've all added more and more to our websites the full backups of data don't seem to have changed much in how long it can take to do a full FTP backup with 25,000 + files to download.

But, no matter how long full backups ever take they are still vital and a MUST DO.

They should become routinely anyone's last compulsory job of the day & should, for data safety sake, be done WITH NO OTHER ONLINE ACTIVITY during the backup. it's amazing how many data errors can creep in otherwise.

Hope this helps re-enforce the idea that BACKUPS ARE COMPULSORY FOR ALL WEBMASTERS!!!

All the best - Andre
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MarionBlack Premium
Absolutely Andre. I use WP Clone often and FTP at least once a month.
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TMcCaskie2 Premium
Hi Marion, appear to be doing well with the backup, but it has not given as shown on your Video, backup successful, the download or the URL.

All have is; System Info:

Memory limit: 768M
Maximum execution time: 0 seconds
PHP version : 5.6.31
MySQL version : 5.6.36
Root directory : /home/lifeando/public_html/howitaughtmyself.net/
Backup directory : /home/lifeando/public_html/howitaughtmyself.net/wp-content/uploads/wp-clone/
Files : Number of files in wp-content directory - 23834, and their total size - 587.47 MB (files larger than 25MB will be excluded from the backup, you can change it from advanced settings)
Database size is 5.74 MB.

I am possibly looking at what I need but I cannot see it. Is it the backup directory that I need,or the root directory? Lost again.

Tom.
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MarionBlack Premium
The developers of WP Clone admit that it fails in around 10% of cases. In particular it fails when the website is getting large. At 587.47 MB your website is getting large, perhaps too large for WP Clone.

If WP Clone isn't working for you then I recommend using a database backup plugin (WP DP Backup) and FTP
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TMcCaskie2 Premium
Thank you Marion, I still have all the original scripts saved for this site.

There are an exceptional amount of images, as it is an art site.

If I removed the script and the images, do you think that it might reduce the size from the 587.47. If that is not doable I will attempt the other method that you suggest.

Thank you for your ongoing support,

Tom.
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MarionBlack Premium
I prefer using a database backup and FTP because I know they save everything.
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TMcCaskie2 Premium
Hi Marion, just an update, I have removed enough material to get the necessary back-up file.

I have not worked on this site for several months, and when I looked at it , it is dreadful and in desperate need of a total overhaul.

As I now have the back-up can I now proceed with the transfer of this site, with the technical help?

When I get the domain name transferred, can I start again and build a new site within the 'Site Rubix' system, if so how would I do that? The reason is the dreadful state of the site, it will need to be rebuilt.

If I did this, create new, would I just republish and improve the saved data?

Sorry for being a little backward with regard to these things, but I am trying hard to improve my abilities in this field.

Thanks again,

Tom.
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MarionBlack Premium
If I was in your shoes I would contact Site Support and ask them to help with the move. You may have to use FTP to upload the file for them. They will let you know what needs doing and when.

Loes has written a tutorial on how to contact Support for a website that's not on the list
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realpurdy1 Premium
Thanks for making this video Marion! :)
My friend has hired me to update his antiquated website and the old site is mostly pictures and very little text.
3 pages and very simple.
He has given me a flash-drive with all of the pictures he wants on the new website.

I've picked out a new theme and two plugins to accomplish his desired result for the new site.

1)If you were doing this would you just build a new site from scratch?

2)What do you think it the easiest route to go about doing this?

Thanks in advance, I appreciate your feedback.
~Shawna :)
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MarionBlack Premium
It would probably be easier to start from scratch. Copy the original site (if it's still active) using right-click > Save As to store the HTML pages on your computer so you can refer to them as you recreate the new site.
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realpurdy1 Premium
Thank you Marion, I'm really glad you said that! :)

So then all I will need to do is transfer his domain-name to WA then, is that correct? And then just use that domain-name in site builder?
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MarionBlack Premium
Yes, once you've copied everything you need change the nameservers to WA and build the website.
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realpurdy1 Premium
You're awesome! :)
Much appreciation....Cheers :)
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bjdluna Premium
You got that right, Marion is awesome!
Barbara
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AussieAnita Premium
Hi Marion

Thank you for this training, was very easy to follow.

I have a question... is it possible to set WP Clone to automatically backup daily, weekly etc., or is it only possible to backup manually as shown.

A few years ago now I was using a plugin where it did this and emailed you the backup to save on computer.

Thanks
Anita
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MarionBlack Premium
WP Clone does not have an automatic backup but it can be used at WA. Updraft Plus has an automatic backup feature but it uses a cron job which is not permitted at WA.

I use Updraft Plus for my sites that are hosted elsewhere.
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Cindyda1 Premium
Marion, I have been looking for this information, not sure how I missed finding it before. I have a site built via goaddy site builder. I want to move it here to WA (It is not a word press site). Speaking of being paranoid, would using Tools Export, WP Clone and Duplicator be overkill? ;-)

Can I safely just use Duplicator since my transferring site is not done in Word Press?
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MarionBlack Premium
I have no experience with GoDaddy's Site Builder so I don't know if it's compatible with WordPress.

You may have to use copy and paste to transfer all the pages.
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Cindyda1 Premium
Uggg! I was afraid of that! Thanks!
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lgobeille Premium
Marion, I'm confused.
I just read Carson's recommendation to use the Updraft plug-in if I want to back up a site so I can move it to WA But here you say Updraft doesn't work with the WA platform. I notice this post is older than Carson's, so maybe they've fixed the CRON problem (like I know what the means!) Should I use WP Clone instead? I'm feeling very tech challenged!
Your explanations are always understandable to me. Thank you!
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GaryHorton Premium
Hi, Laura!

I used Updraft about two years ago to move a site to WA. It worked, but there were glitches because of the security we have with WA. I had to coordinate between Updraft support and SiteRubix support.

Submit a support ticket to SiteRubix support and ask them what they recommend.

Gary
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MarionBlack Premium
Good question Laura. Carson's post was actually created years ago but may have been updated recently or it could just be showing the date of the latest comment.

I have tried using UpdraftPlus and always got an error message when trying to restore.

The only thing that seems to work is to ask Site Support for help after you've done the backup. I suggest you use both UpdraftPlus and WP Clone so they can choose to restore from whichever one they prefer.
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lgobeille Premium
I will take your advice and do both, and then ask Site Support for help. Thank you so much for your help!
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lgobeille Premium
Thanks Gary! I will do just that!
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lgobeille Premium
One more question: I've backed up my site with WP Clone, and saved the download to my computer. (ok, 2 more questions) Would it be better to save it to Dropbox? (I've never used it, but I'm feeling braver just now.) And should I deactivate the plugin now? Thank you!
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MarionBlack Premium
Check with Site Support. I'm not sure which they would find easier.
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lgobeille Premium
I have been migrated! Thank you!
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MarionBlack Premium
That's great. Which plugin did they want to use? And did they want the file(s) from your computer or DropBox?
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lgobeille Premium
I submitted a ticket, gave them my admin login info, and let them know that I had already used WP Clone. A few minutes I was notified that they had migrated my site.
I might still use Dropbox to store my backup files so they don't take up space on my computer, though.
The next step is to move my domain name registration to WA. The directions are quite a bit more involved, and I will tackle that this afternoon after work.
They -- and YOU -- are my heroes!
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MarionBlack Premium
Site Support are really great.

This is how to transfer a domain name from GoDaddy If you bought your domain name elsewhere then the method will be different. You may have to ask your current registrar for help.
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Linda3Adams Premium
Marion, I just watched your video & I'm totally blown away! It was so informative, you have a knack for instructing. You went slowly (for us newbies) and you covered EVERYTHING! I read your prior suggestion to backup your website and I didn't know how. This is very much appreciated, so, Thank you many times over!!!~Linda A.
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MarionBlack Premium
You're very welcome Linda. Thanks for taking the time to watch.
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pamdemonium Premium
Hi Marion, based on your video tutorial, I was thinking that this can be used for website development? I am assisting with creating a new website for a company, but their existing site has to continue being "live" and can't go on maintainence mode.

Looks like this plugin will be able to help with that, with the restore feature?

I can use a temporary URL to develop the new website, and then when finalised, use restore feature to migrate the new website to the existing domain?

Though something came to mind: won't there be problems if new links are built or new pages created? How can one solve this? Or will the plugin do all that for you?
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Labman Premium
You can use this to migrate a site or update. New links and pages are not a problem.

You clone the site to your development site, make the changes then clone the development site to the live site.

You can even use a SiteRubix site as the development site. Works well and they can monitor your progress if you provide them with the URL to the development site.
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MarionBlack Premium
I haven't had any success migrating websites TO Wealthy Affiliate but it works fine on most other hosting environments. Ask Tech Support to help you if you want to host the site here.

Sometimes when I'm moving a site I have to edit the database, but most times WP Clone does the job without a hitch.
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pamdemonium Premium
thanks for your reply. What I mean is, if I create new pages, they will be http://developmentwebsite.com/newpage for example. How do I ensure when I bring this over to the existing URL, it will automatically become http://existingURL.com/newpage. Or do I have to manually change the URLs?

Sorry, I'm confused with the process!

Do I need to do a 301 redirect or similar?? Or will using the plugin resolve this issue?

Just preempting possible problems before I get stuck!
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pamdemonium Premium
Hi Marion, thanks for your help and help.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by database? Thanks!

PS. When did WA introduce the @-tagging in comments? It's really great, since now we can clearly see who is being replied to!
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Labman Premium
If it is a siterubix.com site the 301 redirect will be done for you. It sounds like you are moving from a live URL to the same URL after development of a new site so you shouldn't have issues. There may be a plugin that you need to run to sort all of the old links to keep from referring back to the development site. I'd have to look back in my notes for the name of the plugin.

The WP clone handles all pages created when you backup the site to move.
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pamdemonium Premium
To be clear, the existing live site is not hosted on WA. I am happy to use siterubix as a temporary development site then migrate it back to the existing live site's URL (not sure if I'm describing it right). The last thing that should happen is the live site gets broken when I migrate the development site to it. The existing live site is a client's.

Is what you described in your reply still applicable? i.e., "if it is a siterubix site the 301 redirect will be done for you"?
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MarionBlack Premium
This may help explain things Pam http://wpencyclopedia.com/enc/index.htm ?moving-wordpress.htm (remove the space)
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TravelCarrot Premium
Another question... I just tested this on my two test sites. Right after it finished restoring, I clicked on my Dashboard, and it kicked me out - asking me to login in WP. I tried, but it kept saying my password was incorrect.

I attempted to use the password from the original test site that I was pulling from to see if it might have "cloned" that too, but that did not work either.
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MarionBlack Premium
Contact SIte Support and explain what you've done. They should be able to use a backup of your sites.
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TravelCarrot Premium
It was only on my 2 test sites, so thankfully it's not a pressing issue... however I will say I did get it to work, finally. I just went on Site Manager on did a password "reset", and it was fine.

So does this mean it doesn't normally require a password reset? After I got it to work, I thought maybe that's what it might always do after you do a restore.
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MarionBlack Premium
It backs up the database as well as the pages, posts and media. So it restores the username and password that were active when the backup was made. At least that's the way it's always worked for me. There's some restrictions with accessing the databases here at WA which usually means that you can only restore to the same website on the same server.
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TravelCarrot Premium
Finally got to watching this... so glad I did! Excellent tutorial.. thank you so much.

I do have one question though, I will test this on a test site first, but should I just save the zip and URL in my own files, or should I ALSO create an entirely new site rubix website that is a replica of my actual site, and repeat this every week or so?

Thank you :)
Jen
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MarionBlack Premium
Save the zip file on your computer, you don't need the URL. You can't create a replica of your site on a SiteRubix subdomain as the plugin can only restore your website to itself when you're hosted at WA. It has to be the same domain name and the same server.

If you ever want to move your website to a different host then you would be able to use WP clone for the migration. But I would back up with FTP and a database backup plugin as well as WP Clone if you're moving.
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TravelCarrot Premium
I think I understand. However, I did a test...
I ran a back up on Test Site A, saved the files, and "copied" the URL... then I took this URL as explained and placed into the appropriate box to restore Test Site A by inputting it into my Test Site B. And it appears to be fine, so I think I did something right.

However are you saying that I wouldn't be able to do this with my current site because it's not a site rubix site? So sorry.. I think I'm probably a bit confused, and I may even have some of my terminology incorrect.
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TravelCarrot Premium
Okay, I think I might have had a "lightbulb" go off!

When we are doing this restore, it is within THAT very same website? I thought if your website failed, the purpose of the clone was so that you could actually move it to a new site.

So if we were to do what I just explained, we would be "moving" it to another...not restoring, right?
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MarionBlack Premium
The purpose of the clone (backup) is so that if your site breaks you can restore it to an earlier version which was working when you created the backup.

It's especially important to do a backup before you do updates just in case the updates break your site.
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TravelCarrot Premium
Got it, I think it's clicked now.

Whew, so much to learn. Thank you so much!
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NicoleJBN Premium
I was using the plugin WP-DB-Backup to back up my websites. They haven't updated it since 12 months and I'm not very comfortable with using it anymore.

I just tried WP Clone as you show us in the video. Works like a charm and it seems like a better plugin, too.

Thank you for this training, Marion!

Keep your websites backed up! ;)

Nicole
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MarionBlack Premium
Good to see you're backing up Nicole. WP-DB-Backup backs up the database only, not the images and other media. There's another database backup plugin I use with a similar name but a different developer. Look for WP Database Backup by Prashant Walke. It's up to date and works, again just for the database.
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RachelR1 Premium
Hi Marion,
I have installed WP Clone and done a backup of my website but when the little page pops up saying 'Backup Successful' and giving the URL of the backup, when I click on it to save it onto my computer, it opens a new page that says 'Internal Server Error'. So I can't save the backup onto my computer, only copy the URL. Any suggestions? I want to move my website from a different host to WA but can't do it without backing up first...
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MarionBlack Premium
Try again and see if the issue resolves itself. If not then contact your hosting company's support team.
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pamdemonium Premium
Thanks for this training, Marion.I'm doing exactly as you've described in your video. I agree that it's better to be safe than sorry when ensuring a back-up is done on our end as opposed to solely relying on WA's site back-up feature. I'm backing up because I'm updating to WP 4.7 - Pam
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MarionBlack Premium
That's great Pam. It's a good habit to get into.
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PatriciaWarf Premium
Thank You Marion,
I downloaded WPAdmn backup using Dropbox. I received an error for the wp_cron. They sent this:
You can try to change this setting by yourself, by adding this string:

define( 'DISABLE_WP_CRON', true ) to the end of "wp-config.php" file in the root of your WordPress website.
Now.... I think I do not mind doing that, but..... where do I find the WP Root code? Sounds like changing our Constitution!! LOL
Thank You
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MarionBlack Premium
When you're in FileZilla open httpdocs folder (not httpsdocs) and you'll find wp-config.php there. This file is absolutely essential to your WordPress installation. It contains the information of where to find the database and other vitally important stuff. Make sure you back it up before you make any changes. If you accidentally kill your website then put the original file back and it should work OK again.

You'll need Notepad++ or Atom to edit the file - it's not a normal text file.
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MacMcKenzie1 Premium
Hi Marion, I thank you so much for this information as you know I was having the same problem. So Thank You so Much For You Knowledge and Experience it has helped me so much. Thank You For Taking Time out of your busy schedule to help us all. I also thank you for the follow and I followed you back!! Thanks Again Marion....YOU ARE AWESOME!! Wishing You Continued Success Here at WA!!
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MarionBlack Premium
Thanks Logan.
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MacMcKenzie1 Premium
Oh no Miss Marion Thank You So Much!! I appreciate you and your research. I know we all can benefit form this, especially me lol. Thanks Bunches :)
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jakobia Premium
Hi, I was checking one of my Wordpress blogs and find backups in the tools section of wordpress. Is the backup function now integrated in the wordpress core? Have you tried the function? Looks that you do not need any plugin, or is this some plugin that is automatic installed from my host?
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MarionBlack Premium
I have a plugin which backs up the database and I access it through Tools > Backup it's probably the same one. It only backs up the database not your posts, pages, comments, images, media files etc. etc. So I use WP Clone and Tools > Export as well as Database Backup.
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jakobia Premium
ok thanks,
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WealthyAthar Premium
Very good information thanks , i would like to know can i use this clone Technic to build my other website to save my time but how about website name is different , did this cloning will restore website name too or i can build another name and restore theme content and rest on my brand new website, Hope you understand what i mean
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MarionBlack Premium
It gets a lot more complicated when you try to clone a website. I'm in the process of creating a video course of at least 20 videos to cover that process.
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WealthyAthar Premium
I am try to make another web site but would like to clone and then modify like web address different but content body similar to eaz up process , thanks any way will like to see once you make the video
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JavierLopez Premium
Thank you so much for this great tutorial! The only thing I found didn't match what you were doing in your example was when I tried to copy the url from where it says "copy url". So I copied the actual back up url itself directly. This looks like the actual back up file. The other one just gave me an admin url which didn't look right. Thanks again for all your help.
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MarionBlack Premium
Downloading the file is the best way to save your backups.
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DonnH Premium
Hi Marion,
You are truly a huge asset to the forum and this plugin lesson is one more example. Thank you for all you do to assist. Regarding Jeff's question, you mentioned that the "Restore from URL" doesn't work on siterubix sub-domains, do premium members have sub-domains? I know that my site is a siterubix website, but I designed it after becoming a premium member. Does that have any bearing on it being a sub-domain or not? Finally, what is a top level domain?
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MarionBlack Premium
A top level domain is one you purchased like mydomainname.com and a subdomain is like mydomainname.siterubix.com. Premium members can get their own domain name for $13.99 a year for a dot com and have it hosted here as part of the premium package. Free members can only have a SiteRubix subdomain hosted here (for free).

If you have a SiteRubix subdomain you can buy a real dot com and move all your content over to the new domain name.
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garvalnay Premium
This was really helpful. Thank you. I have a problem. I bought a woo commerce theme but did not renew - well nothing was happening on my site before. But do you think using this I could buy the new version of my theme from woo commerce and just restore my old blogs etc using this plugin?
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MarionBlack Premium
Use Tools > Export to save your posts and pages. Then create a copy of your entire website with WP Clone before you make the switch (just in case). If you lose your content then use Tools > Import to restore
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garvalnay Premium
Thank you Marion.
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Marcus1978 Premium
Thanks, Marion!

I have changed from BackWPup to this now. I have also referenced this in my training about the regular website maintenance tasks I do each week: No point me explaining it again when I can just point people to your video :-)
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MarionBlack Premium
Thanks for the backlink Marcus. I've been sending people to you for the things you explain so well :)
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annarella Premium
Hi Marion,

I'm trying to back up my website following your instructions but ran into a little problem. Right after I click "run now" I get this notification:
"Not Expected HTTP response body".
What should I do? Tried twice and got the same thing!

Thanks so much for your help! :)
Anna
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MarionBlack Premium
Can you try again and this time take a screenshot of the notification?
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annarella Premium
Sure, here it is!
http://screencast.com/t/Jx9bCf5Bvxyy
First time doing screenshot - did I do it right?
Thanks Marion!
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MarionBlack Premium
Congratulations on the screenshot YAY! OK, can you try again without the DB Check? As long as you use Tools==> Export you don't need to check the database. Also, if it give you the option to 'download' then download the zip file to your computer where you can open it and see if all the files are there.
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annarella Premium
Thanks to you for teaching me!! :)

I think I know what the problem is...could it be that I'm doing a "new job" when I should just run the one that I did in December to update it? I went through all the steps (i.e. Dropbox) all over again and maybe I don't need to do that?
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MarionBlack Premium
You're right. You used the same name for the job so the plugin got confused. Try running the original job again, download the zip file and check to see if everything is there. If that doesn't work delete all the jobs and start from scratch.
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annarella Premium
Will do - thanks so much for the help! :-)
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NWTDennis Premium
Thanks Marion. I use Tools>Export all the time, especially before I do any site plugin updates. My plan was then to use the daily site backup feature WA hosting provides if my site ever crashes.

I know you do not host at WA, so understand your search for another solution. But I did not know that Tools>Export does not back up images, which are a significant part of my content.

I'm trying to minimize the number of plugins I use, but I'm going to check out this plugin.
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MarionBlack Premium
As this plugin is only for occasional use you can safely deactivate it when you're not actually using it.
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Linda-777 Premium
Thank you, this is easy.
I would just like to know, if ever I need to use the backup, because of something that went wrong, how does it work then? Is there another tutorial on how to upload the backup to the site again?
thank you
Blessings in abundance
Linda
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MarionBlack Premium
That's when you would need to use FTP. But don't worry, it's not too likely to happen, but if it does then I can walk you through it.
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Linda-777 Premium
Ok, thank you. I'll bookmark your tutorial on FTP as well, just in case I need it. I did watch it (a while back) and it makes FTP look less difficult to understand, but I would still prefer not to use it if it is not truly necessary.
Thank you for the offer, I'm glad I've got someone to help when I may need it. I'm not the most technical person, most of the time I don't even understand what Google is trying to tell me - but I'll keep looking up and moving forward.
blessings in abundance
Linda
PS: I just saw when I added this plugin to the next site there is one called "Dropbox backup and restore" do you know it? It looks like it backs up everyting?
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MarionBlack Premium
I'm not familiar with that one Linda. But I do know that BackWPup works here.
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Mike1942 Premium
Very good advice, unfortunately too late for me. I got some backup but the most important I do not have, email backup. The email addresses and saved emails usually are lost. I did buy a fairly good recovery program for my PC called Stellar something but the price is quite high and it only recovered my "older" emails, not very useful for what I needed: so I didn't finish my purchase.
So be it, Monday I'll start again, from scratch.
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MarionBlack Premium
Sorry to hear that Mike. What a b^mmer!
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Mike1942 Premium
Not really Marion, it gives me a new lookout on what I was doing every time (the second time in two weeks due to changing from a PC to a MAC). I see a lot of things I still need to learn and other things like my blogs I need to edit and change. Loosing them is the best way to renew them! Like they say there is a silver lining in every cloud.
Now I can make sure to have a proper backup system. I do have the external hard-drives (2 of them) and just need to figure out how to use them for the backups.
But thanks for the compassion
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Everlight Premium
Hi Marion,nice video there. Is there any difference with the FTP method? I think it is easier and less techy with plugin, but I want to make sure that both ways have the same result.

If we want to restore the backup, do we need to use the same plugin or is there other way to restore it?
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MarionBlack Premium
Restore is only possible via FTP, or WA hosting may be able to restore for you. The plugin only works one way. But at least it backs everything up.
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Harrysastar2 Premium
Hi Marion, I back up using FTP, but I don't think it backs up your images, or does it?
Do you know of any way to back up your images without using a plugin? I don't like using plugins unless they are absolutely necessary.
Thanks for the training Marion, bookmarked.
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MarionBlack Premium
Hi Harry, FTP can back up everything and it's great to get used to using FTP in case anything goes wrong. If we have to restore our website then we need to know FTP or get someone who does to do the job for us. I deactivate the plugin between uses so there's no problem with having too many plugins.
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paulgoodwin Premium
Hi Marion this sound fantastic as I have lost so much after the upgrade and still cannot find colour pages or over lays so I was thinking to change my theme to the new 23/16 would what I have left just move over or could I lose more - best regards Paul
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MarionBlack Premium
So much has changed with this update Paul. I'm sorry my video came a day or two late. I just don't know the answer to your question.
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TPBDCoach Premium
Im showing an error message every time I try to backup. How do I resolve this?
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