Full Backup Using WP Clone Plugin

There are a few popular backup plugins but they all have some drawbacks.

Updraft Plus does not work at Wealthy Affiliate because of the CRON settings.

BackWPup does not have a restore function. Backups can only be restored using the Premium plugin or FTP.

Duplicator’s restore function only works on a brand new site where WordPress has not been installed.

And WP Clone can create a lot of files on the server which could cause problems if they were allowed to build up.

My Recommendation: Use WP Clone as I show you in this video. Delete the older files as you create new ones. And, of course, deactivate the plugin when you’re not actually using it.

WordPress Tools Export backs up your posts, pages and comments. It doesn't back up your images, other media, plugins or themes.

WP Clone can back up the whole kit and caboodle. And restore it again if needed.

To be on the safe side I always use Tools Export as well as WP Clone. Yeah, I know, I'm a bit paranoid. I also like to keep at least 3 backups in 3 different places. And I don't always trust plugins until I've tested them thoroughly.


IMPORTANT: Always deactivate plugins that you only use occasionally as they can cause problems.


Related Training:

Use Tools Export every day 30 Second Daily Backups

Keep your website up to date Updates

If you want to use FTP How to Backup Your Website with File Zilla

More Training by Marion Black - Sorted


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My-Mate-Bert Premium
HIya, Marion - brilliant stuff here.

Very sound info & very sound advice - well done & thanks. And thanks for the WP Clone plugin link on a different training article you've kindly done to help us all - very handy to know.

I was in business systems development for decades and we always taught users about backups - they're vital.

We always recommended a 4 set backup system - 3 in daily rotation + 1 monthly backup. That way no client ever lost more than 1 day's work at the very most.

Having always used FTP full backup we've always found this to be a reliable method but it can take an hour to download a full FTP backup when, like us, you've got loads of stuff (products mainly).

Over the years because we've all added more and more to our websites the full backups of data don't seem to have changed much in how long it can take to do a full FTP backup with 25,000 + files to download.

But, no matter how long full backups ever take they are still vital and a MUST DO.

They should become routinely anyone's last compulsory job of the day & should, for data safety sake, be done WITH NO OTHER ONLINE ACTIVITY during the backup. it's amazing how many data errors can creep in otherwise.

Hope this helps re-enforce the idea that BACKUPS ARE COMPULSORY FOR ALL WEBMASTERS!!!

All the best - Andre
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MarionBlack Premium
Absolutely Andre. I use WP Clone often and FTP at least once a month.
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TMcCaskie2 Premium
Hi Marion, appear to be doing well with the backup, but it has not given as shown on your Video, backup successful, the download or the URL.

All have is; System Info:

Memory limit: 768M
Maximum execution time: 0 seconds
PHP version : 5.6.31
MySQL version : 5.6.36
Root directory : /home/lifeando/public_html/howitaughtmyself.net/
Backup directory : /home/lifeando/public_html/howitaughtmyself.net/wp-content/uploads/wp-clone/
Files : Number of files in wp-content directory - 23834, and their total size - 587.47 MB (files larger than 25MB will be excluded from the backup, you can change it from advanced settings)
Database size is 5.74 MB.

I am possibly looking at what I need but I cannot see it. Is it the backup directory that I need,or the root directory? Lost again.

Tom.
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MarionBlack Premium
The developers of WP Clone admit that it fails in around 10% of cases. In particular it fails when the website is getting large. At 587.47 MB your website is getting large, perhaps too large for WP Clone.

If WP Clone isn't working for you then I recommend using a database backup plugin (WP DP Backup) and FTP
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TMcCaskie2 Premium
Thank you Marion, I still have all the original scripts saved for this site.

There are an exceptional amount of images, as it is an art site.

If I removed the script and the images, do you think that it might reduce the size from the 587.47. If that is not doable I will attempt the other method that you suggest.

Thank you for your ongoing support,

Tom.
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MarionBlack Premium
I prefer using a database backup and FTP because I know they save everything.
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TMcCaskie2 Premium
Hi Marion, just an update, I have removed enough material to get the necessary back-up file.

I have not worked on this site for several months, and when I looked at it , it is dreadful and in desperate need of a total overhaul.

As I now have the back-up can I now proceed with the transfer of this site, with the technical help?

When I get the domain name transferred, can I start again and build a new site within the 'Site Rubix' system, if so how would I do that? The reason is the dreadful state of the site, it will need to be rebuilt.

If I did this, create new, would I just republish and improve the saved data?

Sorry for being a little backward with regard to these things, but I am trying hard to improve my abilities in this field.

Thanks again,

Tom.
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MarionBlack Premium
If I was in your shoes I would contact Site Support and ask them to help with the move. You may have to use FTP to upload the file for them. They will let you know what needs doing and when.

Loes has written a tutorial on how to contact Support for a website that's not on the list
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realpurdy1 Premium
Thanks for making this video Marion! :)
My friend has hired me to update his antiquated website and the old site is mostly pictures and very little text.
3 pages and very simple.
He has given me a flash-drive with all of the pictures he wants on the new website.

I've picked out a new theme and two plugins to accomplish his desired result for the new site.

1)If you were doing this would you just build a new site from scratch?

2)What do you think it the easiest route to go about doing this?

Thanks in advance, I appreciate your feedback.
~Shawna :)
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MarionBlack Premium
It would probably be easier to start from scratch. Copy the original site (if it's still active) using right-click > Save As to store the HTML pages on your computer so you can refer to them as you recreate the new site.
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realpurdy1 Premium
Thank you Marion, I'm really glad you said that! :)

So then all I will need to do is transfer his domain-name to WA then, is that correct? And then just use that domain-name in site builder?
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MarionBlack Premium
Yes, once you've copied everything you need change the nameservers to WA and build the website.
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realpurdy1 Premium
You're awesome! :)
Much appreciation....Cheers :)
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bjdluna Premium
You got that right, Marion is awesome!
Barbara
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AussieAnita Premium
Hi Marion

Thank you for this training, was very easy to follow.

I have a question... is it possible to set WP Clone to automatically backup daily, weekly etc., or is it only possible to backup manually as shown.

A few years ago now I was using a plugin where it did this and emailed you the backup to save on computer.

Thanks
Anita
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MarionBlack Premium
WP Clone does not have an automatic backup but it can be used at WA. Updraft Plus has an automatic backup feature but it uses a cron job which is not permitted at WA.

I use Updraft Plus for my sites that are hosted elsewhere.
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Cindyda1 Premium
Marion, I have been looking for this information, not sure how I missed finding it before. I have a site built via goaddy site builder. I want to move it here to WA (It is not a word press site). Speaking of being paranoid, would using Tools Export, WP Clone and Duplicator be overkill? ;-)

Can I safely just use Duplicator since my transferring site is not done in Word Press?
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MarionBlack Premium
I have no experience with GoDaddy's Site Builder so I don't know if it's compatible with WordPress.

You may have to use copy and paste to transfer all the pages.
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Cindyda1 Premium
Uggg! I was afraid of that! Thanks!
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JoseLuisR Premium
Hi Marion, I have a couple of doubts and would appreciate your advise.
1. As part o the premium service, we have a daily website backup service included. Wouldn't it become redundant to have yet a plugin for backups?
2. With the Export tool to export all the site including entries, pages, media, forms and so on. Wouldn't this be the same as a backup? We could then import it back, right?
Thanks for the training and any advise you might be able to provide.
JL
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MarionBlack Premium
Tools > Export creates an XML file which includes the links to the media items but not the media items themselves. It's very important to back up your website periodically and especially just before any updates to plugins, themes and WordPress itself.
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JamesJB Premium
That's a great question, Jose...
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JamesJB Premium
Many thanks for this, Marion...so far I've been risking things by not doing a backup, but that should be in the past now :)
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JoseLuisR Premium
Clear as spring water. Thank you Marion :-)
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lgobeille Premium
Marion, I'm confused.
I just read Carson's recommendation to use the Updraft plug-in if I want to back up a site so I can move it to WA But here you say Updraft doesn't work with the WA platform. I notice this post is older than Carson's, so maybe they've fixed the CRON problem (like I know what the means!) Should I use WP Clone instead? I'm feeling very tech challenged!
Your explanations are always understandable to me. Thank you!
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GaryHorton Premium
Hi, Laura!

I used Updraft about two years ago to move a site to WA. It worked, but there were glitches because of the security we have with WA. I had to coordinate between Updraft support and SiteRubix support.

Submit a support ticket to SiteRubix support and ask them what they recommend.

Gary
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MarionBlack Premium
Good question Laura. Carson's post was actually created years ago but may have been updated recently or it could just be showing the date of the latest comment.

I have tried using UpdraftPlus and always got an error message when trying to restore.

The only thing that seems to work is to ask Site Support for help after you've done the backup. I suggest you use both UpdraftPlus and WP Clone so they can choose to restore from whichever one they prefer.
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lgobeille Premium
I will take your advice and do both, and then ask Site Support for help. Thank you so much for your help!
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lgobeille Premium
Thanks Gary! I will do just that!
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lgobeille Premium
One more question: I've backed up my site with WP Clone, and saved the download to my computer. (ok, 2 more questions) Would it be better to save it to Dropbox? (I've never used it, but I'm feeling braver just now.) And should I deactivate the plugin now? Thank you!
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MarionBlack Premium
Check with Site Support. I'm not sure which they would find easier.
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lgobeille Premium
I have been migrated! Thank you!
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MarionBlack Premium
That's great. Which plugin did they want to use? And did they want the file(s) from your computer or DropBox?
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lgobeille Premium
I submitted a ticket, gave them my admin login info, and let them know that I had already used WP Clone. A few minutes I was notified that they had migrated my site.
I might still use Dropbox to store my backup files so they don't take up space on my computer, though.
The next step is to move my domain name registration to WA. The directions are quite a bit more involved, and I will tackle that this afternoon after work.
They -- and YOU -- are my heroes!
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MarionBlack Premium
Site Support are really great.

This is how to transfer a domain name from GoDaddy If you bought your domain name elsewhere then the method will be different. You may have to ask your current registrar for help.
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Linda3Adams Premium
Marion, I just watched your video & I'm totally blown away! It was so informative, you have a knack for instructing. You went slowly (for us newbies) and you covered EVERYTHING! I read your prior suggestion to backup your website and I didn't know how. This is very much appreciated, so, Thank you many times over!!!~Linda A.
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MarionBlack Premium
You're very welcome Linda. Thanks for taking the time to watch.
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pamdemonium Premium
Hi Marion, based on your video tutorial, I was thinking that this can be used for website development? I am assisting with creating a new website for a company, but their existing site has to continue being "live" and can't go on maintainence mode.

Looks like this plugin will be able to help with that, with the restore feature?

I can use a temporary URL to develop the new website, and then when finalised, use restore feature to migrate the new website to the existing domain?

Though something came to mind: won't there be problems if new links are built or new pages created? How can one solve this? Or will the plugin do all that for you?
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Labman Premium
You can use this to migrate a site or update. New links and pages are not a problem.

You clone the site to your development site, make the changes then clone the development site to the live site.

You can even use a SiteRubix site as the development site. Works well and they can monitor your progress if you provide them with the URL to the development site.
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MarionBlack Premium
I haven't had any success migrating websites TO Wealthy Affiliate but it works fine on most other hosting environments. Ask Tech Support to help you if you want to host the site here.

Sometimes when I'm moving a site I have to edit the database, but most times WP Clone does the job without a hitch.
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pamdemonium Premium
thanks for your reply. What I mean is, if I create new pages, they will be http://developmentwebsite.com/newpage for example. How do I ensure when I bring this over to the existing URL, it will automatically become http://existingURL.com/newpage. Or do I have to manually change the URLs?

Sorry, I'm confused with the process!

Do I need to do a 301 redirect or similar?? Or will using the plugin resolve this issue?

Just preempting possible problems before I get stuck!
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pamdemonium Premium
Hi Marion, thanks for your help and help.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by database? Thanks!

PS. When did WA introduce the @-tagging in comments? It's really great, since now we can clearly see who is being replied to!
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Labman Premium
If it is a siterubix.com site the 301 redirect will be done for you. It sounds like you are moving from a live URL to the same URL after development of a new site so you shouldn't have issues. There may be a plugin that you need to run to sort all of the old links to keep from referring back to the development site. I'd have to look back in my notes for the name of the plugin.

The WP clone handles all pages created when you backup the site to move.
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pamdemonium Premium
To be clear, the existing live site is not hosted on WA. I am happy to use siterubix as a temporary development site then migrate it back to the existing live site's URL (not sure if I'm describing it right). The last thing that should happen is the live site gets broken when I migrate the development site to it. The existing live site is a client's.

Is what you described in your reply still applicable? i.e., "if it is a siterubix site the 301 redirect will be done for you"?
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MarionBlack Premium
This may help explain things Pam http://wpencyclopedia.com/enc/index.htm ?moving-wordpress.htm (remove the space)
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TravelCarrot Premium
Another question... I just tested this on my two test sites. Right after it finished restoring, I clicked on my Dashboard, and it kicked me out - asking me to login in WP. I tried, but it kept saying my password was incorrect.

I attempted to use the password from the original test site that I was pulling from to see if it might have "cloned" that too, but that did not work either.
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MarionBlack Premium
Contact SIte Support and explain what you've done. They should be able to use a backup of your sites.
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TravelCarrot Premium
It was only on my 2 test sites, so thankfully it's not a pressing issue... however I will say I did get it to work, finally. I just went on Site Manager on did a password "reset", and it was fine.

So does this mean it doesn't normally require a password reset? After I got it to work, I thought maybe that's what it might always do after you do a restore.
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MarionBlack Premium
It backs up the database as well as the pages, posts and media. So it restores the username and password that were active when the backup was made. At least that's the way it's always worked for me. There's some restrictions with accessing the databases here at WA which usually means that you can only restore to the same website on the same server.
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TravelCarrot Premium
Finally got to watching this... so glad I did! Excellent tutorial.. thank you so much.

I do have one question though, I will test this on a test site first, but should I just save the zip and URL in my own files, or should I ALSO create an entirely new site rubix website that is a replica of my actual site, and repeat this every week or so?

Thank you :)
Jen
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MarionBlack Premium
Save the zip file on your computer, you don't need the URL. You can't create a replica of your site on a SiteRubix subdomain as the plugin can only restore your website to itself when you're hosted at WA. It has to be the same domain name and the same server.

If you ever want to move your website to a different host then you would be able to use WP clone for the migration. But I would back up with FTP and a database backup plugin as well as WP Clone if you're moving.
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TravelCarrot Premium
I think I understand. However, I did a test...
I ran a back up on Test Site A, saved the files, and "copied" the URL... then I took this URL as explained and placed into the appropriate box to restore Test Site A by inputting it into my Test Site B. And it appears to be fine, so I think I did something right.

However are you saying that I wouldn't be able to do this with my current site because it's not a site rubix site? So sorry.. I think I'm probably a bit confused, and I may even have some of my terminology incorrect.
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TravelCarrot Premium
Okay, I think I might have had a "lightbulb" go off!

When we are doing this restore, it is within THAT very same website? I thought if your website failed, the purpose of the clone was so that you could actually move it to a new site.

So if we were to do what I just explained, we would be "moving" it to another...not restoring, right?
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MarionBlack Premium
The purpose of the clone (backup) is so that if your site breaks you can restore it to an earlier version which was working when you created the backup.

It's especially important to do a backup before you do updates just in case the updates break your site.
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TravelCarrot Premium
Got it, I think it's clicked now.

Whew, so much to learn. Thank you so much!
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NicoleJBN Premium
I was using the plugin WP-DB-Backup to back up my websites. They haven't updated it since 12 months and I'm not very comfortable with using it anymore.

I just tried WP Clone as you show us in the video. Works like a charm and it seems like a better plugin, too.

Thank you for this training, Marion!

Keep your websites backed up! ;)

Nicole
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MarionBlack Premium
Good to see you're backing up Nicole. WP-DB-Backup backs up the database only, not the images and other media. There's another database backup plugin I use with a similar name but a different developer. Look for WP Database Backup by Prashant Walke. It's up to date and works, again just for the database.
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RachelR1 Premium
Hi Marion,
I have installed WP Clone and done a backup of my website but when the little page pops up saying 'Backup Successful' and giving the URL of the backup, when I click on it to save it onto my computer, it opens a new page that says 'Internal Server Error'. So I can't save the backup onto my computer, only copy the URL. Any suggestions? I want to move my website from a different host to WA but can't do it without backing up first...
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MarionBlack Premium
Try again and see if the issue resolves itself. If not then contact your hosting company's support team.
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pamdemonium Premium
Thanks for this training, Marion.I'm doing exactly as you've described in your video. I agree that it's better to be safe than sorry when ensuring a back-up is done on our end as opposed to solely relying on WA's site back-up feature. I'm backing up because I'm updating to WP 4.7 - Pam
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MarionBlack Premium
That's great Pam. It's a good habit to get into.
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PatriciaWarf Premium
Thank You Marion,
I downloaded WPAdmn backup using Dropbox. I received an error for the wp_cron. They sent this:
You can try to change this setting by yourself, by adding this string:

define( 'DISABLE_WP_CRON', true ) to the end of "wp-config.php" file in the root of your WordPress website.
Now.... I think I do not mind doing that, but..... where do I find the WP Root code? Sounds like changing our Constitution!! LOL
Thank You
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MarionBlack Premium
When you're in FileZilla open httpdocs folder (not httpsdocs) and you'll find wp-config.php there. This file is absolutely essential to your WordPress installation. It contains the information of where to find the database and other vitally important stuff. Make sure you back it up before you make any changes. If you accidentally kill your website then put the original file back and it should work OK again.

You'll need Notepad++ or Atom to edit the file - it's not a normal text file.
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MacMcKenzie1 Premium
Hi Marion, I thank you so much for this information as you know I was having the same problem. So Thank You so Much For You Knowledge and Experience it has helped me so much. Thank You For Taking Time out of your busy schedule to help us all. I also thank you for the follow and I followed you back!! Thanks Again Marion....YOU ARE AWESOME!! Wishing You Continued Success Here at WA!!
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MarionBlack Premium
Thanks Logan.
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MacMcKenzie1 Premium
Oh no Miss Marion Thank You So Much!! I appreciate you and your research. I know we all can benefit form this, especially me lol. Thanks Bunches :)
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jakobia Premium
Hi, I was checking one of my Wordpress blogs and find backups in the tools section of wordpress. Is the backup function now integrated in the wordpress core? Have you tried the function? Looks that you do not need any plugin, or is this some plugin that is automatic installed from my host?
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MarionBlack Premium
I have a plugin which backs up the database and I access it through Tools > Backup it's probably the same one. It only backs up the database not your posts, pages, comments, images, media files etc. etc. So I use WP Clone and Tools > Export as well as Database Backup.
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jakobia Premium
ok thanks,
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