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.I know there are a lot of premium members here at WA. I don't want be seen as doubting what anyone has said. But, are there any metrics as far as member income vs time of membe
I fully understand what you are referring to and by all intensive purposes so does the community, and the owners.
This is evident in the course material at Wealthy Affiliate as we are all encouraged to participate in the thread that highlights what each of our expected money goals are.
Your goals may not be my goals or vice versa but there is a universal understanding I believe, that for the most part we are in this community to learn how to make an extra monthly income amount for whatever the reason may be.
It goes without saying that you get out of this training what you put into it by way of taking action, unfortunately not everyone will put in the same effort to be successful.
However, it also stands to reason that if you are giving it a considerable amount of effort and after a year goes by you are still only making a few bucks, then perhaps you need to re-evaluate the benefit of the community vs your growth here vs the money spent to remain a member.
An expected income potential graph based on the time spent in the community would be nice to reference as a guide to follow, but the way I look at it, the overall accountability lies with us as we are the only ones that are responsible for attaining our goals.
A graph of where we should be income wise after a few months or a year would be in my opinion, be based on the estimations of someone else's ability. Not everyone would have the same amount of time or money to commit to reaching those goals.
For example if I expect to reach my goal to be making an extra 3000 per month by the end of a years time, then I need to figure out how much money I need to be making in each of those 12 months in order to be able to reach that goal.
I would want to have a goal to know how much I should be making after 30 days of hard work, 60 days of hard work, 90 days of hard work, etc. etc. as I approach my 1 year's goal.
I would also want to focus on promoting affiliate programs with higher commissions and choose some affiliate programs that have recurring commissions if my expectation was to be at a consistent 3000 per month income each month from a year's time moving forward.
I really hope that Kyle and Carson eventually decide to have a dedicated area for all the Success Stories so that they don't get buried in other content!!
In my opinion there should be a Success Stories tab on the left in the menu area below Keyword Lists or below the Affiliate Bootcamp menu tab.
I don't think anyone is understanding my question. Is there anyone here that has fully applied the techniques, tapped Kyle and Carson for everything they have in their tool kit, spared no expense on time/effort or money, that has been able to walk away from their day job and turn this into a $30K/mo or more net profit business....just blogging, not creating a product or a membership revenue? If so, I want to get in their back pocket and learn everything they did to do that. If someone can prove to me they have done that through WA and show me exactly step by step to do the same, I will be willing to pay them way more than $47/mo.
I am not an if's and but's or candy and nuts type of guy....where is the real success?
OK. I am going to just ask the dang question....is any premium member that has applied the techniques as taught by WA been able to earn enough money to replace their income and if so, how long did it take? I would have to replace a 10K a month income in order to leave my day job and I am 51 years old. I have a great niche idea with endless content updated every single day but I don't want to spend the next 2 years working on it to earn a few hundred bucks. Who has made the money here other than Carson and Kyle....there, I said it! :)
I don't need a community of happy people that haven't made serious money if I dedicate a couple years of spare time to this. I want someone that has had massive success and I want to do exactly what they did.....and, in my humble opinion, it isn't going to come through marketing WA
Good Question for debate. We all know success means different things to different people. I'm guessing one definition would be generating income monthly on a regular basis and increasing over the months. This is what my goal is. Reaching that first financial goal and maintaining it and moving to the next to me is being successful,
Thanks and please consider that my goal is not to cast a shadow of doubt on WA or any associates. I would just think that to claim success we need to know what success looks like! To me success would be a verifiable member income metric, that's all!
Having been in the online web marketing business for over 12 years (even though I'm a new WA member) I can honestly say that success is completely dependent on the effort you put in. With that said your own goals will measure your success. For some people a success is merely that first $1 coming in. For others it's $500 a month. And for some it's 6 figures. It really is up to you to decide. You're creating a real online business. Just like a brick and mortar location is completely dependent on the actual labor/marketing put into it, your online efforts will need constant care and attention. This is real work.
@Kyle, one of the founders of WA took 3 months before he saw his first sale. Just think of the little engine that could (cliche' I know...but valid). Just keep doing and eventually you'll make it. You are building a real business and that takes actual time. Hope this helps :)
Thanks for the response, but I would rather have metrics than platitudes! After 12 years you should be doing quite well I presume?
I completely understand where you're coming from. But no one's metrics would ever match your own. I'm not trying to just offer platitudes. For example in my corporate gig I was directly responsible for my employer making millions of dollars. But they also had a brand name behind their product. My labor made them even richer while I was earning a fraction of it. It just takes time to build up your own exposure. Even if @Kyle on here were to show you his metrics from his most successful sites it still wouldn't be able to give you an accurate picture of what you'd be dealing with.
To be honest, I'm not really sure anyone on here could even really share actual metrics? Here's my own personal example (albiet prior to becoming a WA member) I'll share 2 examples to show how wildly it can potentially swing. Site #1 I built, ranked very well, got lots of views with very low bounce rate (the rate people leave due to disinterest because low quality content). This site while getting very good traffic didn't make me any money at all. I probably didn't have the right business set up to enable it to be monetized. Site #2 Similar type setup, started making me between $300 to $500 a month. Then it dried up for a few months (because Google changed their algorithm). Even when I mostly got it recovered it never was the same again... so I dropped it (wasn't worth keeping going). I'll toss in a 3rd example which makes me beat myself wishing it was my own site. Someone hired me to do this one. I built them a popular website based around a very popular movie hero. I did all the work, the SEO, the affiliate network stuff...literally everything. That site still to this day makes a buttload of money (couple grand a week going to my client's pocket...not mine.)
It really is just dependent on content/audience/effort. No single persons experience will be able to an accurate gauge for your personal business.
So essentially you have been in this for 12 years and haven't been able to make it a full time income generating business. My question to you in particular is why not? and why? are you still hanging around and paying a premium member fee? I don't understand.
I find it hard to believe the part about your clients site. If you built it, why don't you have 5 sites up and running doing the same thing?....there a plenty of other movie hero's out there. Just saying.
To answer your question...Because up until recently my corporate job was building websites for other people. I got tired of doing it for others so now I'm doing it for myself. I was in the "comfort zone" making a corporate 6 figure income. I definitely did well, but when I started being more privy to seeing how much my actual efforts made for others I decided to get into doing it for myself. So yes, after 12 years I have made a lot of money, but working for myself I can potentially make even more...Also, having just been a web developer it took me time to see how the innards works. I have no formal marketing training. So even though on a high level I knew how to improve metrics for my employer, there still are some smaller details I haven't figured out for myself. I am a brand new premium member specifically for the more advanced training and for the community support.
Also, really my 3 examples should be the explanation to your question about my client's site. It really depends on content/audience/effort. Just because I do a good job on a site, doesn't mean it's going to be a hit. Just like in business on a brick and mortar store. For example, Circuit City was considered very successful for a long time, but ultimately they went under. What's their excuse? I hope this makes the point.
Again, online the market changes constantly. ANYTHING can change in an instant and where you were making money before, you might not be tomorrow. This reverse is true as well. A previously failed idea, could potentially be tomorrow's hit.
Oh another point I forgot. That client's site that is making the couple grand a month didn't get to that point overnight. For the first 3 years it didn't make very much at all. It took a lot of babysitting, time and effort for it to get to that point.
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What is considered success at wa?
.I know there are a lot of premium members here at WA. I don't want be seen as doubting what anyone has said. But, are there any metrics as far as member income vs time of membe
I'm a little different than most folks here at WA. I don't absolutely need the money. So success to me is learning how to make a good website that gets traffic. Don't get me wrong, if I can make a few extra bucks that will be great too. Bottom line is that success is defined differently by different people.
I fully understand what you are referring to and by all intensive purposes so does the community, and the owners.
This is evident in the course material at Wealthy Affiliate as we are all encouraged to participate in the thread that highlights what each of our expected money goals are.
Your goals may not be my goals or vice versa but there is a universal understanding I believe, that for the most part we are in this community to learn how to make an extra monthly income amount for whatever the reason may be.
It goes without saying that you get out of this training what you put into it by way of taking action, unfortunately not everyone will put in the same effort to be successful.
However, it also stands to reason that if you are giving it a considerable amount of effort and after a year goes by you are still only making a few bucks, then perhaps you need to re-evaluate the benefit of the community vs your growth here vs the money spent to remain a member.
An expected income potential graph based on the time spent in the community would be nice to reference as a guide to follow, but the way I look at it, the overall accountability lies with us as we are the only ones that are responsible for attaining our goals.
A graph of where we should be income wise after a few months or a year would be in my opinion, be based on the estimations of someone else's ability. Not everyone would have the same amount of time or money to commit to reaching those goals.
For example if I expect to reach my goal to be making an extra 3000 per month by the end of a years time, then I need to figure out how much money I need to be making in each of those 12 months in order to be able to reach that goal.
I would want to have a goal to know how much I should be making after 30 days of hard work, 60 days of hard work, 90 days of hard work, etc. etc. as I approach my 1 year's goal.
I would also want to focus on promoting affiliate programs with higher commissions and choose some affiliate programs that have recurring commissions if my expectation was to be at a consistent 3000 per month income each month from a year's time moving forward.
I really hope that Kyle and Carson eventually decide to have a dedicated area for all the Success Stories so that they don't get buried in other content!!
In my opinion there should be a Success Stories tab on the left in the menu area below Keyword Lists or below the Affiliate Bootcamp menu tab.
I don't think anyone is understanding my question. Is there anyone here that has fully applied the techniques, tapped Kyle and Carson for everything they have in their tool kit, spared no expense on time/effort or money, that has been able to walk away from their day job and turn this into a $30K/mo or more net profit business....just blogging, not creating a product or a membership revenue? If so, I want to get in their back pocket and learn everything they did to do that. If someone can prove to me they have done that through WA and show me exactly step by step to do the same, I will be willing to pay them way more than $47/mo.
I am not an if's and but's or candy and nuts type of guy....where is the real success?
OK. I am going to just ask the dang question....is any premium member that has applied the techniques as taught by WA been able to earn enough money to replace their income and if so, how long did it take? I would have to replace a 10K a month income in order to leave my day job and I am 51 years old. I have a great niche idea with endless content updated every single day but I don't want to spend the next 2 years working on it to earn a few hundred bucks. Who has made the money here other than Carson and Kyle....there, I said it! :)
I don't need a community of happy people that haven't made serious money if I dedicate a couple years of spare time to this. I want someone that has had massive success and I want to do exactly what they did.....and, in my humble opinion, it isn't going to come through marketing WA
Good Question for debate. We all know success means different things to different people. I'm guessing one definition would be generating income monthly on a regular basis and increasing over the months. This is what my goal is. Reaching that first financial goal and maintaining it and moving to the next to me is being successful,
Thanks and please consider that my goal is not to cast a shadow of doubt on WA or any associates. I would just think that to claim success we need to know what success looks like! To me success would be a verifiable member income metric, that's all!
Having been in the online web marketing business for over 12 years (even though I'm a new WA member) I can honestly say that success is completely dependent on the effort you put in. With that said your own goals will measure your success. For some people a success is merely that first $1 coming in. For others it's $500 a month. And for some it's 6 figures. It really is up to you to decide. You're creating a real online business. Just like a brick and mortar location is completely dependent on the actual labor/marketing put into it, your online efforts will need constant care and attention. This is real work.
@Kyle, one of the founders of WA took 3 months before he saw his first sale. Just think of the little engine that could (cliche' I know...but valid). Just keep doing and eventually you'll make it. You are building a real business and that takes actual time. Hope this helps :)
Thanks for the response, but I would rather have metrics than platitudes! After 12 years you should be doing quite well I presume?
I completely understand where you're coming from. But no one's metrics would ever match your own. I'm not trying to just offer platitudes. For example in my corporate gig I was directly responsible for my employer making millions of dollars. But they also had a brand name behind their product. My labor made them even richer while I was earning a fraction of it. It just takes time to build up your own exposure. Even if @Kyle on here were to show you his metrics from his most successful sites it still wouldn't be able to give you an accurate picture of what you'd be dealing with.
To be honest, I'm not really sure anyone on here could even really share actual metrics? Here's my own personal example (albiet prior to becoming a WA member) I'll share 2 examples to show how wildly it can potentially swing. Site #1 I built, ranked very well, got lots of views with very low bounce rate (the rate people leave due to disinterest because low quality content). This site while getting very good traffic didn't make me any money at all. I probably didn't have the right business set up to enable it to be monetized. Site #2 Similar type setup, started making me between $300 to $500 a month. Then it dried up for a few months (because Google changed their algorithm). Even when I mostly got it recovered it never was the same again... so I dropped it (wasn't worth keeping going). I'll toss in a 3rd example which makes me beat myself wishing it was my own site. Someone hired me to do this one. I built them a popular website based around a very popular movie hero. I did all the work, the SEO, the affiliate network stuff...literally everything. That site still to this day makes a buttload of money (couple grand a week going to my client's pocket...not mine.)
It really is just dependent on content/audience/effort. No single persons experience will be able to an accurate gauge for your personal business.
So essentially you have been in this for 12 years and haven't been able to make it a full time income generating business. My question to you in particular is why not? and why? are you still hanging around and paying a premium member fee? I don't understand.
I find it hard to believe the part about your clients site. If you built it, why don't you have 5 sites up and running doing the same thing?....there a plenty of other movie hero's out there. Just saying.
To answer your question...Because up until recently my corporate job was building websites for other people. I got tired of doing it for others so now I'm doing it for myself. I was in the "comfort zone" making a corporate 6 figure income. I definitely did well, but when I started being more privy to seeing how much my actual efforts made for others I decided to get into doing it for myself. So yes, after 12 years I have made a lot of money, but working for myself I can potentially make even more...Also, having just been a web developer it took me time to see how the innards works. I have no formal marketing training. So even though on a high level I knew how to improve metrics for my employer, there still are some smaller details I haven't figured out for myself. I am a brand new premium member specifically for the more advanced training and for the community support.
Also, really my 3 examples should be the explanation to your question about my client's site. It really depends on content/audience/effort. Just because I do a good job on a site, doesn't mean it's going to be a hit. Just like in business on a brick and mortar store. For example, Circuit City was considered very successful for a long time, but ultimately they went under. What's their excuse? I hope this makes the point.
Again, online the market changes constantly. ANYTHING can change in an instant and where you were making money before, you might not be tomorrow. This reverse is true as well. A previously failed idea, could potentially be tomorrow's hit.
Oh another point I forgot. That client's site that is making the couple grand a month didn't get to that point overnight. For the first 3 years it didn't make very much at all. It took a lot of babysitting, time and effort for it to get to that point.
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The link in an email from Carson takes me there but the site doesn't seem functional. Should I use godaddy or is there a better alternative?
Hi everyone. I would use and recommend using namecheap.
They are trusted by Kyle and Carson, I moved all of my domains to them and I am having my domains hosted here at Wealthy Affiliate.
I hope that helps!
Best wishes for smooth sailing.
Feel free to private message me at anytime!
Your friend on the journey,
Eileen
Thanks for the suggestion. I switched to CheapDomain and like them so far. I got privacy for under $2, which I hadn't been using before. ;) -Alexx
I had problem right off the bat with the DNS not transferring quickly. Later I realized EVERY TIME I BOUGHT A DOMAIN I WOULD GET A BUNCH OF PUSHT SALES CALLS AND A TON OF SPAM. On a later order I decided to shut that mess down by blocking the callers number and THEY STARTED DEMANDING I SEND A COPY OF MY DRIVERS LICENSE BY FAX threatening to TERMINATE MY ACCOUNT IN 3 DAYS.
I WILL NOT send my DL to these SPAMMERS AND SCAMMERS. If I have to I'll literally dump every domain name I have with them before I let them in my personal business.
TRIED to call and got an unintelligible Phillipino. No way to handle things during normal hours because Phillipino time is different. Can't call their security team without INTERNATIONAL CALLING CHARGE. They've failed to call ME even though I requested they do so.
OVERALL NOT NOT NOT at all worth it. I regret ever clicking on their site. -Alexx
I just transferred 3 of my domains over to http://namecheap.com I checked 1and1, they start out at a dollar but then it jumps to $14 or $15 the next year. I have heard that they are an O.K. company though.
I use it for hosting for my personal site. Only issue I've had is it that it takes some time to transfer the DNS but other than that I think I've always had good experience with it.
Yeah, it let me search and find a domain name but it just locked up and stayed locked up! I found another site though. Thank for the feed back!
I would try http://namecheap.com as I have seen godaddy's prices go up as I have been checking domain names there and before I get it purchased, they raise the price. Namecheap does not do that. Just a thought. :)
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Has anyone had problems with the 1and1 domain site?
The link in an email from Carson takes me there but the site doesn't seem functional. Should I use godaddy or is there a better alternative?
Hi everyone. I would use and recommend using namecheap.
They are trusted by Kyle and Carson, I moved all of my domains to them and I am having my domains hosted here at Wealthy Affiliate.
I hope that helps!
Best wishes for smooth sailing.
Feel free to private message me at anytime!
Your friend on the journey,
Eileen
Thanks for the suggestion. I switched to CheapDomain and like them so far. I got privacy for under $2, which I hadn't been using before. ;) -Alexx
I had problem right off the bat with the DNS not transferring quickly. Later I realized EVERY TIME I BOUGHT A DOMAIN I WOULD GET A BUNCH OF PUSHT SALES CALLS AND A TON OF SPAM. On a later order I decided to shut that mess down by blocking the callers number and THEY STARTED DEMANDING I SEND A COPY OF MY DRIVERS LICENSE BY FAX threatening to TERMINATE MY ACCOUNT IN 3 DAYS.
I WILL NOT send my DL to these SPAMMERS AND SCAMMERS. If I have to I'll literally dump every domain name I have with them before I let them in my personal business.
TRIED to call and got an unintelligible Phillipino. No way to handle things during normal hours because Phillipino time is different. Can't call their security team without INTERNATIONAL CALLING CHARGE. They've failed to call ME even though I requested they do so.
OVERALL NOT NOT NOT at all worth it. I regret ever clicking on their site. -Alexx
I just transferred 3 of my domains over to http://namecheap.com I checked 1and1, they start out at a dollar but then it jumps to $14 or $15 the next year. I have heard that they are an O.K. company though.
I use it for hosting for my personal site. Only issue I've had is it that it takes some time to transfer the DNS but other than that I think I've always had good experience with it.
Yeah, it let me search and find a domain name but it just locked up and stayed locked up! I found another site though. Thank for the feed back!
I would try http://namecheap.com as I have seen godaddy's prices go up as I have been checking domain names there and before I get it purchased, they raise the price. Namecheap does not do that. Just a thought. :)
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I'm a little different than most folks here at WA. I don't absolutely need the money. So success to me is learning how to make a good website that gets traffic. Don't get me wrong, if I can make a few extra bucks that will be great too. Bottom line is that success is defined differently by different people.