When I, as a seasoned Ambassador, don't understand the ranking system anymore, who else will. Can anyone here explain to me how it works. So I am able to answer questions about this system. It seems to me, it's a bit randomized lately.

I will show here my stats from the major drop on 12 September

17 September rank 9

5 October rank 11

7 October rank 10

Helper rank > keeps dropping down

Creator rank > a little uplift around the 23rd of September but ever since dropping, regardless for what I publish for blogs.

Activity rank > dropping down, slowly but steadily

Member rank > dropping down in the stats but climbing again 2 ranks from 12 to 10

I get PM's from members who want an explanation about their rankings and I can't give them an explanation, because it beats my imagination too.

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PatsyC Premium
Hi Loes, mine doesn't make sense either. It looks like a roller coaster at the one of those huge parks. It doesn't matter what I do.

I don't bother with it. If I need to share as I usually do when I find something of value I do. If there is nothing, I don't make up anything just to post like the 3 or 4 there are still doing. It's so obvious, I guess they don't realize how foolish they look. I also see them leave comments that don't make sense still. Now that isn't right.

If I see someone needs help on the live chat I'll take a look in case it's a new member looking where to start...then I help. Otherwise live chat makes me dizzy!

Our quality blog posts don't compare to 'theirs', it's too bad the value isn't reflected properly in the ranking graph...I think the guys are just continuing to adjust it. Otherwise it wouldn't look so out of wack!
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Loes Premium
So, you don't know either how the system is working right now, it's a total blur to me, Patsy
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PatsyC Premium
Actually, I just remembered.

Last week I sent Kyle a PM about this.
I sent him a screenshot of my ranking results showing the spike upwards and how my rank didn't reflect it properly, but the opposite.

I'm sure Kyle won't mind my sharing this, he said the following and I copied it:
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"The ranks are constantly shifting as we continue to roll out updates and improvements to it. Your rankings will also shift as a results and there are MANY very active people here at WA helping others out, so 16 out of 1.2 MILLION is pretty impressive indeed.

Different categories have different weights and there are 1,000's of things taken into consideration."
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This was when I was at rank #16 about 9 days ago.
The point isn't where I am, but...that the results did not reflect the proper score I should have had.

Like he said, still rolling out updates.

I sent him the PM so he can see that it's not accurate yet, it's an example of how it looks with mine.
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Loes Premium
I had the same email, not saying 16 out of 1.2 MILLION is pretty impressive indeed. But 9 out of 1.2 MILLION is pretty impressive indeed.
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PatsyC Premium
I guess we are pretty impressive indeed :D
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Tjennings122 Premium
I understand your pain with this ranking system. As I looked at the course on it, Course 2, Lesson 10, it still makes no sense to me as no matter how hard you try to build up it continues to slip-slide away. Due to all the one-sided nonsense with certain people on here I haven't been on except to respond to a few posts then off again. I have just lost all interest in WA due to those "evil few" that don't even get a slap on the wrist for their behavior. I'm not in school anymore so I don't need to subject myself to it any longer. The last time I blogged it was taken down for days...and it was the blog I did on Goddess Pele and Hawaii Volcanoes National Park. Go figure--Good luck with the outcome of the ranking~

Have a blessed weekend.

Tammy
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Loes Premium
Thank you Tammy, I see that kind of behavior too, have a great ☼ weekend :)
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TonyHamilton Premium
Hello Loes,

I have absolutely no proof at all my Friend and they way I see it is just from my observations.

1. Refer Friends to WA and the interactions with them.
2. Chat
3. Asking questions with the Ask a question platform
4. Questions answered 1st
5. Responding to new members in the WA training areas
6. Trainings created
7. Blogs
8. Commenting on blogs
9. Welcoming new Premium Members

I have most likely left some out but those above are what I have observed and can think of right now.

I do believe that there should and will be more in depth criteria soon in order to minimize the undeserving and maximize the deserving but also feel that it'll never be perfect.

Great question to get us all thinking Loes and like I have stated many times before, You are my Favorite Ambassador at WA.

Tony
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Loes Premium
Thanks Tony, that's a good list to refer too.
What do you explain to new people, who are dropping in rank enormously?
They did their best, climb up into to 200 rank and are very proud of it and dropped over night to 400+ again.
I keep on telling them, they are adjusting the algorithm, for months now, and that's the reason why, but it seems not the get steady at all.
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TonyHamilton Premium
I agree Loes that it's unfair and that the only thing that we can tell them is what you have mentioned. WA is making a lot of changes currently so the rankings will eventually be more predictable and correct but never perfect.
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JoseLuisR Premium
Hi Loes,
Sorry to hear :-( The only thing I could find though is the post updated by Kyle back in May this year, and explaining the rules for the ranking system. Have a good weekend.
JL
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Loes Premium
Thank you JL, I am familiar with that post:) Have a great weekend too!
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laparra1 Premium
Jose Luis, where have you been?

Have a good weekend, Taetske
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JoseLuisR Premium
Busy, busy, I am back though and catching up. Hope you are doing well and looking forward to read your next montly post ;-)
Big hug from the north of Spain.
JL
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laparra1 Premium
Hola Luis,

My coming monthly post is still in my head, I am fine tuning it.
I told you, the people at WA might not know we do a lot of hugging here in Spain, so I better send you un Abrazo.

Greetings from the south of Spain, Taetske
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PaulaKeen Premium
I DO hope Kyle and Carson can figure this out. It has been crazy and has created some super giant issues since the eclipse for many people.

When you've earned it legitimately like you have Loes, you deserve a solid answer.

Yes, rank can do all kinds of things for you, and Loes I can see exactly why you are concerned! It gives you clout out in the real world, as well as here at WA. People look up to you for quality, correct answers! It also allows you to see where you are among others here at WA, how you are doing in certain areas, etc. It offers as a reminder that we are worthy in ways to do with the online business world. And many other things!!!

For some it does work as a motivator and helps some with building self esteem and confidence, while others could careless or are just too busy in other areas to be concerned.

Looking through these comments, I just wish people WOULD STOP SAYING RANK DOESN'T MATTER, when they know damn well, if it were them, they'd be bawling their butts off about it.

If I could ask for one thing to be fixed Ambassadorship should not be part of algorithms, but instead more like a hiring process, where folks actually have to apply with a resume, or something with agreement that someone else could take your slot if they prove to be better at the job. SOMETHING.

Hopefully, it'll all get straightened out. :o)
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Loes Premium
Thank you, Paula, I am blank when people are asking me why their rank has gone from 236 to 876 overnight, what the heck do I answer them, I am ranked in the top 10, and they expect of me I know what happened.
It should be more transparent, so everybody knows what to do to gain rank, and know why they lose rank.
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littlemama Premium
WA Ranking is not important especially if you're just dropping a few slots, not sure why this is a big deal. I'd rather read about your Google ranking. :)

Besides, no one knows how it works but Kyle and Carson so asking this to the community is no use to you. PM the right people instead.
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Loes Premium
In the meanwhile, I understand no-one has a clue, Grace, so I will direct people who ask me about this to Kyle and Carson in the future.
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littlemama Premium
I'm just saying you should just ask Kyle & Carson if you want to know, not the community.
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PaulaKeen Premium
I'd like to see everyone get rank stripped to see how they react, since rank isn't such a big deal. It is a big deal to most here.
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littlemama Premium
There was a rank strip not that long ago and I even blogged about not having WA ranking here at all because it's such a distraction on what's really important.

All I know is that WA rank has nothing to do with why we are here in the first place.

Concentrating on our online businesses should be priority and our discussions here would benefit members more if they were about our online businesses instead of things like WA rank that has nothing to do with our online businesses.
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Loes Premium
I have asked and I can't do anything with the given answers.

We are continuing to improve the algorithms. Points are in parallel with everyone else, we put less value on certain things.

It doesn't explain the working, and I thought, perhaps some members here have figured it out
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PaulaKeen Premium
Precisely why I stated above about Ambassadorship positions. If you take notice in every single one of these rank conversations, you might notice the amount of people that "CLAIM" rank doesn't matter, yet if theirs drops they are whining. But when you have someone WHO HAS BEEN IN POSITION FOR OVER 3 YRS and all the sudden they're dropping!!??! There is something wrong Grace. You know it and I know it.

Again, I have my thoughts shared above about Ambassadorship.

It has hindered me a bit here and there, I have to admit for myself! It IS a distraction... for everyone whether they want to admit it or not. I guess we could all just start covering that area of our screens with tape like we do with our cameras...

Loes has been Ambassador nearly as long as Kyle, Carson, Jay, Nathanielle, and Boomer! Ms Marion follows suit! So yes, she has a good reason to be concerned.
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JeffL61 Premium
I have said it along with you Grace, I abhor the ranking system. I'm in favor of keeping the ambassadorship achievement, but the ranking system I feel is such a distraction to so many members here at WA!

As Loes stated in her article, no one seems to have any idea regarding the algorithms that go into Kyle and Carson's system.

It being human nature, so many members place such a heavy weight on where they are ranked individually instead of putting all of their attention on what it should be: going through the training, learning and then applying that knowledge to building passive income through a website(s).

Some people got incredibly annoyed a month or so ago when their ranking went the wrong way after the new "system" went into effect. Conversely, I have no idea why mine got where it is now as I was in the 400s. Admittedly, I do not spend a lot of the time that I've allocated for my business repeatedly posting articles here on the dashboard. I guess in the past this was emphasized entirely too much according to the ranking algorithms.

There are people, especially after you wrote your outstanding dashboard article stating your belief, Grace, that the ranking system should be eliminated who disagreed with you. One person in particular, coming from a business corporate background stated that it is often done with a lot of companies.

You know, I'm sorry but WA is not some corporation where we are all trying to climb over another to get to the top of the ladder. Imo, that person was entirely wrong!!

It's all about learning how to build a online business for one's self, and as part of the community trying to help one another. Those who go especially out of there way, deserve to be provided the distinction of being called an "ambassador". It's why I am in favor of keeping the "ambassadorship" designation, only.

Conversely as we are a community, one should not have to be rewarded by getting points to help with ranking just because a good deed was done for others.

You should help genuinely help others as an act of human kindness. Not to see your ranking improve as a reward doled out by the two co-founders of WA.

I have been told that the issue regarding the ranking system and even the need to have one here at WA was brought up at a recent Super Affiliate Vegas conference a few years ago by several in attendance. Obviously, it got rejected by Kyle and Carson.

To be honest with you as seemingly no one has a real grasp on how it works, and any explanations by Kyle/Carson just do not answer everyone's questions - perhaps eliminating it entirely would serve the greater good.
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Loes Premium
Thank you, Jeffrey, as you say, no one has a real grasp on how it works, and I second the idea of eliminating it entirely, it will not change my whereabouts here.

But now, being an ambassador, I need to know how the current ranking system is working, in order to be able to answer questions about it correctly.

What do I answer to someone who just released a post, hurray, I am in the top 200, and the next day they have been served down to 400+ ?

The way it's going now, is demotivating and disappointing.
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ChrisScott Premium
I genuinely love to help others but I am not an Ambassador because I cannot complete with those who have nothing to contribute except hollow butterfly kisses and "hang in there kitty" posters.

Being an Ambassador also contributed to my income off this platform as it lent credence to my niche which is an online mentor.

However, I am not avoiding being WA now because of spite but the simple fact that since being an Ambassador did increase my income off platform and now that I cannot be an Ambassador, I do not have as much time to spend on WA helping others actually succeed because I have to work harder off site replacing the income loss.

Anyway, I just accept that the community here at large cares more about damn "Hang in there Kitty " posters than they do about providing for their families.
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NEH Premium
I agree with you Jeff and Grace. I too was in the 400's until "the change," and now am suddenly 100-something.

That's fine by me, but I'm not exactly sure why.

It also doesn't bother me, I think the whole ranking system should be thrown out. Perhaps replaced with something or other, I'm unsure what. I think it's more of a distraction that a benefit to a majority of people here.

People weren't happy with it how it was... and now a whole bunch of other people are unhappy with how it's changed. So, nothing is resolved really!

Nat
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Loes Premium
We have to cope with this system, for the time being, Nat. I have proposed to Kyle to stop this rat race. But as long as this system is in order, I have to answer questions of people, newbies, who are victims of enormous fluctuations, what the heck happened, for 2 months now, I am answering that it is caused by the adjustments of the algorithm, and therefore, their rank went down that much, but it's demotivating and disappointing.
And yes, I went down too, and I don't understand why some people are pushed up, and why others are served down huge.
And as far as I can read in the comments here, it's all a riddle to them too.
It's time for some clarity, Nat
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MozMary Premium
Why don't you ask Kyle

You had a post on this yesterday too and before.

One thing we all know is that when someone writes about rank they get a lot of comments and it puts up their rank, I think it is clear you do understand the system.

What is not clear is why you are so concerned with rank at WA, or why you'd bring this issue and your rank to the concern of the dashboard so often as that is not why any of us sign up and there are many good people here.
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Loes Premium
Hi Mary, this is not an answer to my question and not an explanation of how the ranking system works.

I had a post on it yesterday, and today I have a question about it.
Please refrain yourself from answering when you do not have a correct explanation of how the ranking works.

This is a direct attack on me personally and is totally of limit.
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bmark Premium
Perhaps they are going to do a rollout pretty soon and at this point in time its affecting the ranking system? I have no idea what goes on in the background of WA. My guess is when they add a feature to WA it affects other areas. Just a guess Loes.
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Loes Premium
Most of us are guessing about what's going on, Bruce
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MKearns Premium
If you evaluate the definitions of activity, creativity and helper they don't always match the nominal description. There are many many things involved now"
1. the algorithm has a multitude of additional factors weighting in than ever before and the range may have been expanded where activities in say the 500 to1,000 range affect those in the less than 500 range.
2. The type of actions weighing in have a bearing I haven't seen before. Those who hold quizzes and surveys can rank a lot more in creativity than just putting out blogs .
3. As has been mentioned the algorithm is more of a dynamic creature now with constant tweaking and upgrading.

Ranking can be important to your proof and credibility as a measure on your website and will be affected by your site development as well.
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Loes Premium
Thank you Michael, so what you say is, that, the current ranking factors are so immensely complicated and huge, that there is not much fluctuation? Are your stats as straight as mine?
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Rwohler1 Premium
I'm not sure how this effects credibility of a website.. Do you mean in WA or are you talking about SEO ranking? This is a real question..
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Loes Premium
Good question
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MKearns Premium
If you're promoting a service like mentoring in WA Being ranked as an ambassador or certain level tends to command respect and help your business purpose!
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Loes Premium
That sounds sensible for outstanders
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Rwohler1 Premium
Thanks for the reply. It makes sense then to promote a product or service such as WA being high in rank with that product or service, and as a testimonial for that product or service.
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Rwohler1 Premium
To honest I don't really understand it all that well either.. but for me I really don't have the time for it either. The way I look at it is I'm working on my business and if I'm on I will answer any questions I can, and if I learn something blog it out. Other than that at least for me it takes away what little time I have and I really don't see my in the way of benefits other than a title.. Maybe as things progress and time opens up then I will look into it more..
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Loes Premium
I understand, most people here have about 1-2 hours a day, I have 8-12 hours time a day:)
I write a blog daily on one of my websites, and on other forums as well:)
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DaveSw Premium
It appears to me that the algorithm is still being adjusted, and a work in progress? in that case, the general guidelines as laid out most recently by Carson I believe may be a good starting point...Likely though, some changes to them from that point...No matter to me hehe, I am more interested in my sales numbers! : )
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Loes Premium
I read that guidelines, but I do not see them back in my stats, I have been down with the flu a week ago, before that I was active, after that I was active, during the flu I was not active. Can you see that back on my stats? I don't, it's going down>down>down
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DaveSw Premium
Yeah, this is why I think they may be fiddling with the algorithm, or maybe testing some new things...The pattern does not match activity, as you say...
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Loes Premium
That's right, I don't see any fluctuation, only going down, it doesn't make any sense
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munazira Premium
My ranking was good when I do blog, do answer some member questions from group etc. Again goes up when the activity is not done much. So a set of things to rank as keep the activity more if you want to rank good . I guess this is what my experience and see what others do say on it. thanks,
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Loes Premium
Thank you for your response Shahid:)
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mistia Premium
I've just accepted that they are still working on it. My rank changes about 400 points every other day. I wouldn't mind if my rank was not displayed. I'd like it if I would have to intentionally seek out. It is such a distraction from the real reason why I am here.
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Loes Premium
It does work as a distraction from the real thing, but it is displayed, and people are having a lot of questions about it which I can not answer.
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DEversley Premium
Well said. I agree.
When a ranking system of any sort is introduced, it can become a catalyst for disgruntlement and unhealthy competition. Especially if you are competing against "high ranked" officials who suddenly find themselves becoming "ousted" by newbies. It probably feels like betrayal of the system.

My suggestions is for WA to have a (human) committee, which gives out rank based on certain defined criteria. That criteria can include,
Quality input from blogs
Correct guidance to members
Recruitment of new members
Positive contributions
Successful websites (based on reviews)

Basing rank on answering questions (at the right time) content-submission, and current activity may have thrown this thing off a bit and disadvantaged older members; who may not be doing these things as often.

Of course the resolve still has to be fair to allow new members to rise in rank as well.

Don't be discouraged! Focus on the main reason we are here.

Just saying...I might be wrong and I usually am :).
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Loes Premium
There are some suggestions I would endorse, David. But you are proposing another ranking system. I asked for an explanation of the current system so I can explain it to other members as well
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PaulaKeen Premium
Yep, that's what I was saying. Hand picked, or needed to be applied for like a job. I mean really, it would be an honorable position to have! It gives a person some clout, around WA as well as promoting their own business as stated here in these comments somewhere.

I do know some people get obsessed with it, but when you have those who have been here and help the position for the length of time Loes has, it becomes a stinky fish. In other words, somethings up. Something screwy going on. Ya know?
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laparra1 Premium
Good Morning Loes,

Please excuse, my understanding of this is limited so I will tell you what I think but it might be completely wrong.

Whenever you are active, be it helping, creating etc, this activity is compared to the, that time, overall activity of WA members. If it should happen you are very active at a certain time and hardly anybody else is, your rank will be better.
If your activity coincides with a lot of other people doing the same or perhaps even more, your rank will stay the same or get worse.
To my understanding, it is an internal WA family competition issue.

Anyhow, I might be right or wrong.
I wish you a good weekend and try to relax some, what is important are the websites and your success with it.

Greetings from the south of Spain, Taetske
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Loes Premium
Thanks Taetske, I did believe the points you get for e.g. creating stuff is personal, but you might be right, that it is compared to what others do.
I was down with the flu, and naturally, doing only the most important things, my stats would go down. But the past 5 days I am totally active again, and still my stats go down daily.

It totally beats me!
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DEversley Premium
Well said
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laparra1 Premium
Come on Loes, Dutch women do not get beaten that easily.
Can I do something to pep you up?

Taetske
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laparra1 Premium
Gracias!

Taetske
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Loes Premium
Haha, I am not down Taetske, I do think it's weird, that whatever I do, create training, blog or am down with the flu doing nothing, it doesn't reflect my stats at all, it's going down in a straight line
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laparra1 Premium
Well, I just looked at the ranking list.
You have gone up 1 point, that is from 11 to 10, so there is some movement.

Taetske
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Loes Premium
Yes, in that area there has been movement, from 4 to 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,11,10 the past 2 weeks :)
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verazhelvis Premium
I presume you are right, and comparison is certainly involved.
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laparra1 Premium
Good afternoon Vera,

Sometimes it looks like kindergarten, oh well.
At least we got a friend back these days.

Have a good weekend, Taetske
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verazhelvis Premium
oh... You did make me laugh! I even spilled my tea! LOL!
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verazhelvis Premium
And of course so very happy about Rick.We need to hope that he will stay after being blocked for two weeks for nothing.
Have a great weekend, too!:))
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Loes Premium
So was I, happy to see his post back from the dead:)
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verazhelvis Premium
Oh, sure. .Just don't want to go on... :)
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