WA Keyword Tool vs Jaaxy vs Manual Search
just a quick question... Are you guys experiencing some extreme differences between the different keyword tools. Here is an example of what I mean
Edit: The last image is wrong. The result was 74, not 420. Screenshot the wrong screen :/
I searched another keyword earlier. the WA tool tool me 8,517 monthly searches and 387 QSR and Jaaxy told me 3,500 monthly searches and 401 QSR.
Just wanted to get peoples thoughts on this. Some of these differences are big, some are small. Some of these differences could mean the difference between using a keyword for your articles or site and purchasing a domain name.
Thoughts?
- Luke
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The initial post of Luke's blog dates back to September 24th, shouldn't it be about time to receive some feedback over the issues been highlighted here?
I am still trying to get informations out of Jaaxy, but I really don't feel confident at all; everytime I look for a low searches long tail keyword, I get invariably 100,128, 164 or 171 monthly searches...
it seems that despite the extreme diversity of searched terms, Jaaxy will always return very similar amounts of people searching for your keyword.
Google does the same thing and this is based on our own internal algorithm and based on data from many different search engines (the top 3).
If you do a Google search in their tool you will find that there isn't a very wide array of searches. That is because searches vary every month and this is just an "estimate" of the potential of that keyword.
i guess you're right but I've gotten pretty good searches a month with very low QSR so try refreshing the page 2 times before you come to a final decision. it'll suck to lose out on some good keywords that can probably double the worth of your business
I am running just these days my first Jaaxy keywords search in a very selected niche about a topic I know very well myself, being it about my "real life" profession.
One of the keywords that got my attention is a rather articulated 6 words phrase, for which I normally wouldn't have expected much traffic (if none), given that Jaaxy pulls results for Exact Match only; instead, as a nice and welcome surprise, Jaaxy came out with a very good 128 searches + 22 QSR.
BTW, Google KWT pulled "no results" for that same exact phrase.
The surprise for the unexpected good result has spurred my curiosity and for that I searched for the same keyword phrase, only changing the word describing the event location within the phrase, adding very unlikely locations (remember, I know very well about the subject environment).
The results for these "unlikely locations" are search results surprisingly very good and, quite often, identical to those of my actual phrase.
This is the main issue that is making me rather insecure about how to deal with Jaaxy's results.
Other unusual things catched my attention while performing the search:
- search figures tend to be repeating (e.g. 128,164,171 are very often recurring with low searches keywords)
- search results are often identical for 3
I have exactly the same queries and wonder whether these ones really do get that many monthly searches.
I searched "ghaelaehahglaeay gbaehal" and other variations on jaaxy and got 171 monthly searches
"for what and to how you" searches 14581424 QSR 0
"how can I drive a spider into space" searches 171 QSR 0
"does TduhT182 have a motorbike helmet site" searches 164 QSR 0
Not trying to offend here, just feel that something is very wrong with Jaaxy.
"does jaaxy the best keyword tool give you strange results" searches 100
"does jaaxy the best keyword tool give you strange results and a free coffee" searches 128
We will definitely look into these queries. Thanks guys, we are getting data back for some reason on these keyword variations.
I'd like to know how Jaaxy and Google handle words in phrases like:
to - from - for - how to - a - etc
Several times I've seen people post phrases with high search numbers, but the phrase is missing one of the words I posted above, however if you search the phrase and include common missing word, the search numbers stay the same but QSR is normally much higher, which makes sense as people wouldn't normally write content leaving out these words from the phrases.
Google and other search engines typically treat them differently in terms of the traffic they receive, but at the same time the phrase that doesn't make sense is a little more awkward to market typically (the one with the at, the, a, etc stripped). They will obviously have a different QSR as they are different phrases and with Google instant and the instant within the other search engines, people are search hacked down phrases these days.
how to win lottery
vs .
how to win the lottery
One is more grammatically correct than the other, but the two will produce different search results and both will get differing amounts of traffic and have a completely different QSR.
is there a reason why jaaxy would often display both of those searches with the same monthly searches?
Sometimes this is the data provided through the API's, so this is coming from the search engines. From my tests they typically do vary slightly, but not always
There is a standard deviation depending on where the search is from that triggers the search. It is not usually more than 20 (either way) in this case there was a deviation of only 2 between what WA brought back (client driven, based on your location) and what Jaaxy brought back (server driven, server location).
Monthly searches should be the same as they are driven from the same database, but sometimes an old search could be cached here at WA and when you search in Jaaxy it could trigger a refresh of the results.
Isn't the manual search you showed the QSR by scrolling to the end of the last search page with kw's in quotes? At least that is what it looks like the manual search snapshot is of. It's qsr there and # of searches for the other two....
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Yes, that last screenshot, even though I screenshot the wrong keyword there, is of the last page in the google search results with the keyword in " " quotes
It's a really interesting question, Luke, although I must admit I've always ignored the low searches and anything over 400 QSR is a wildcard these days. I've found you can get Jaaxy to return figures for almost anything you enter, even > Martian Gerbils < so I guess there is some user discrimination required. I beta-test another research system and it returns comparable results to Jaaxy in c. 9 out of 10 cases, whereas it never agrees with Google's own figures. Just my worthless 2¢! Rich. x
I ignore anything under 100 monthly searches and anything over 400 QSR, although I have saved a few under 500 QSR because they "apparently" have 4 and 5 figure monthly searches so it's worth giving them a go just in case I can rank page 1.
Just don't know what to believe especially when one took is saying over 400 QSR and the other is saying less. I suppose 30mins on one article is worth trying anyway.
Just wanted to get other peoples views and what they do when they see similar results to this
im basically learning to be a lot stingier, when i first starte i thought 450 was "worth a punt" but now its 300 QSR max, depends on the grammar of the keyword too, if a "to" or "of" is missing, i search the "to" and "of" version as well cos im still not certain google will distinguish them
Really Dom? I've only been keeping the ones that make sense too, but I've been doing it will all the ones below 400 QSR. Did you rank well at all with ones around the 450 QSR mark?
the jaaxy result is a common number. "164" monthly searches comes up a LOT. I think WA tool and jaaxy and google use different algorhythms for averaging results
Yeah, I find 124 is a common number with the WA keyword tool. It's tough sometimes to decide what to go with, especially for a domain name which is what I'm looking for right now, if the search results are so different. I've found a good .org which according to Jaaxy gets 3,000 monthly searches and has 384 QSR. Should be able to create a rankin micro niche site with that I hope... Just frustrating sometimes when everything you search gives you a different number each time
why not wait a day until the free sites come, then use other means to drive traffic instead of a keyword rich domain
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It's 7 months since the latest comment here, but I want to revive the discussion as I just got very confused comparing the results in Jaaxy and the WA keyword tool.
For one keyword search Jaaxy gives me 466 searches and a QSR of 0 (which made me very happy), with the WA keyword tool I get 387 searches and a competition of 461.
For another keyword Jaaxy shows 157 searches and again a QSR of 0 (which again made me very happy). The WA keyword tool shows 88 searches and a competition of 1.280.000!
Any help would be very appreciated! I'm doing the certification level 2 course and just got stuck and confused.
i think 0 QSR is a glitch, try searching again with both tools. I've found 0 QSRs before but checked later and got a more accurate number. As for the difference in search numbers, it is because Jaaxy uses more recent data and a slightly more accurate algorithm, remember "monthly searches" isn't updated monthly, but more of an average, so the newer the data, the more accurate the average
Thanks DomW! I redid the search in Jaaxy, but QSR was 0 again. I will recheck with the WA keyword tool, when Jaaxy shows zero QSR.
yeah or you can type the keyword into google with quotations and go then search through to the final page
Thanks Dom:-)
so DOMW are you saying the jaaxy is clearly a better fit than the WA Keyword search?..
both work well and produce similar results, Jaaxy is more accurate and is easier to use