If this is the case, even if you accept one comment, that person will still not get any credit.

But it's mostly due to less people buying credits, so there's not enough to go around?

Whatever the case, hope Kyle & Carson will get it fixed soon.

You and me both we rely on it until organic traffic starts t stream through although even that is being put to questio.

Google distinctly abhors gaming of the system and it is warning that it is well aware of platforms such as WA attempting to circumvent its organic comments ethics...it appears we are between a rock and hard place on this one no matter which way we turn.....

Be safe!

R.

I'm replying about 1 hour after your comment. It's 7.34am here lol and I'm at my workdesk laptop!

Idris

Thanks Jim!

Sorry, I do not understand how this is unethical. Giving comments earns us credits. Getting comments gets us rankings. This is why we want to get comments in the first place. It is mutually beneficial.

It is unethical because the comnenters are taking the time and effort to respond hoping they will earn a cedit for their work. If 10 people submitted a comment and you asked for one than that means 9 people have not earned their credit . I believe the system trusts us to be upright in our dealings!
R.

Additionaly nothing stops us from buying or working ourselves to earn the credits to ensure everyone in the system is being treated fairly...or am I missing something and being naive?
R.

I see where you're coming from but if I'm not mistaking you get your credit no matter what. If you've written a comment for someone you earn a credit even if you're the 8th person to write a comment for that person.

I've always earned credits as soon as I hit the enter button to submit the comment.

Melissa

I'm not sure if we're on the same page.

https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/websites/comments

Is this what you're referring to? Or somewhere on WA where you randomly ask for comments?

The long term implication being if people feel or are being cheated it's a simple check to see if you have used their comment and they have not received a credit for it then they will not bother to write any more comments I wouldn' t....which is going to be a bad outcome for all concerned!!
R.

I highly suggest you click on the link and see for yourself.

Read the upper part where it says " Offer Comments Earn 1 Credit"

Everybody who leaves a comment earns a credit.

If that is the case Mellisa all good! I always assumed I received my credit because the receiver accepted and approved my comment!!

Nope, you receive it as soon as you hit enter ☺️

One time I had written a comment and then person didn't approve it for over 24 hours but I still got my credit so you're safe, no worried about getting cheated out of credits.

Melissa

I am not too sure as I explained I also know I paid 1 credit for 1 comment not 10 so I quesrion the validity....I m sitting on a lot of commennts which I work through offerring comments receiving credits and pay for the comments I use...
R.
If the system allows me to ask for 1 comment and get 10 in return I will be delighted.

Thank you MelissaI;)
R.
PS. Its got nothing to do with being safe and everything to do with right and wrong but I get where your coming from all good;

It's like what the original poster mentioned.

Sometimes when you request a comment, a lot of people probably click on it at the same time so you get more than you requested.

I once requested 1 and got 9

I understand where you are coming from. Its actually a win-win situation. If you ask for 1 comment and you get 5, all 5 of those who commented still get their one credit! We will always get one credit when we offer a comment, regardless whether its accepted or not.

Not if your comment is not accepted, your one credit is deducted and your rating slashed ;
R.

I had a comment rejected, but I don't think my credit was deducted. Ratings slashed yes, but credit remains. Anyone else can verify this?

Your credit is deducted!
R.

Anyways, bottom line, all those who submitted a comment WILL get their one credit! So if I ask for one and get 8 comments, all 8 of them will get a credit each. So far I have not rejected any comments.

And also you are right that credit is deducted if its rejected.

I am still not sure about from where their credit is coming from I have always taken the one comment that I earned and paid for, the rest I decline. I am going to do some investigation to check if I understood the rules and fairness right...Good day!
R.

I know....because I take care to understand the rules and intention of anything that I do as I do not want to disadvantage anyone;
R.

Idris do you not see it as unfair that you paid for one you know you paid for one yet you take 8 or 5 or even 2 which part don't you understand it is a trust based credit based system as I understood????
R.
PS I would also encourage you to stop encouraging people to do as you are doing until we get to the bottom of this, as I am pretty sure it is both morally and reprehensively wrong!!!....think of it this way if I was a long term member and played by the rules as they were intended to be applied and paid for one and took one do you think I would be happy that some one is paying for 1 and taking 8 and may be ruining a sytem that I rely on in obtaining comments for my content in my website? You can rest assured that I would for my sake and others stop that person dead in his tracks!!

There is a purchase element as I have explained to you before which you have offhandedly swatted away as some stupid man after all like you said you want to save your money I understand that, we all do only not in my book at the expense of another, I sicerely hope that you will aknowledge that, if you want eight then pay for it buy 10 credits and pay for it by buying the 8 or work for them, do not game the trust based system and be an honest person! This is my advice as from the beginning of all of this...I warn you, you have irked me by disrespecting me like I am some stupid old man who wants to earn or have to pay for his credits I say to you, I have always done that and make no apology for it and I sleep better for it, thank you!! SLo be prepared there are consequences to that kind of action when you play with this not so old and not so stupid man as you take me for a joke!
As I have informed you we will get to the bottom of this if there is no impediment to paying for one and getting 8 in a trust based credit system than I for one do not see the point and a donkeys a$$. If you think it is perfectly Ok than I am not responsible for your actions you are a man and responsible for them. Forgive me for believing that they are wrong and I have taken time and effort to explain to you why I think so because I really care and will take care of both me, those in my network(which you are a part of) and outside it, as I see fit!!!!!
R.
PS It is also evident you have no standards either you young pup ;)

Hi Mr Ramco sir

I really don't get which part of my reply was disrespectful. Or is it that you find that all those who disagree with you are disrespecting you?

I feel obliged to respond to this long comment of yours because you question my integrity, and also hope you understand my point of view. Those who agree with my explanation are more than welcomed to like my comment, and those who agree with his explanation are more than welcomed to like his comment too, so we can have a general consensus of this matter. (For those who read this anyways.)

The system is as it is. I didn't 'game' the system by changing the code so I get more comments or go through any loopholes. When someone asks for a comment, it gets put up at sitecomment, and most times more than one person gets to open it. If they don't skip it, then the requester will get more than one comment. I didn't rig anything so I can get more than one comment (nobody can!). The system is just as such. You yourself has experienced it, not just me. In fact, plenty has experienced it.

Now why don't you see the other side of the coin. You reject the extra comments that you receive. Now, these extra comments are of no fault of the commenters that they get the chance to comment on your requested post. What I would do is accept all of them so all of them get their due credit. But you choose to reject them, even if they actually put in effort to give you a good comment. You deny them of a credit. If everyone here does what you do, there really isn't enough credits to earn because high chance it'll get rejected because it was second to be submitted (or third or fourth and so on).

So my thought on this is, why deny them a credit? The system is fair. Even for myself, I'll get one credit for one approved comment, and most of the time get more than one when I request. It's the same for everyone, not just specially to me.

I give you an analogy. If I buy something from a shop, and the shopkeeper give me extra change, I would return it. It's the simple value of honesty and integrity, because in this case, if I keep the change, I'm at the advantage and the shopkeeper would be at a disadvantage. Now come sitecomment. I ask for one, I get more than one. It's an advantage for me, and when I accept all the rest, it's an advantage to all of them too because they get their credit! It's a win-win situation for both parties. When there are, say, 7 extra comments, and you reject all of them, you put 7 of them at a disadvantage. Not only they lose the credit, their approval rate drops. So this is called supporting the community? I mean, I understand if a comment is rejected because it's out of topic, but to reject it because it came in second place and beyond, is beyond me.

So bottom line, you do you, and I'll do me. I'm not gonna force you to accept my explanation, but I just want you to understand. Just like how I understand your point, though I disagree with it.

PS I respect everyone here and wont resort to name calling or giving snide remarks to anyone.

PPS When you edit you comment to add that last sentence, thanks for also editing my name and getting it correct.

I do my best to correct errors. It is obvious we are speaking at cross purposes. Forgive me but I said there are three options 1 Accept. 2. Decline 3 Reject. I said Decline where there is no penalty neutral position, you are talking Reject where you have already accepted there is a penalty although you did not at first as you were not aware of it until I informed you about it...

I do not want to take up too much of your very busy time. You are adamant that you see nothing wrong even though the system may be trusting you to do the right thing and take what is only rightfully yours you paid for one you take only one and "decline" not reject as you are asserting.

That is why it is a trust based system. The system trusts you to do the right thing.
R.

You are absolutely right. Now I get your point. I'm sorry for the trouble.

The next time I give a comment, I will first ask the site owner if he or she already received a comment and if the answer is yes, then I won't leave a comment. Because they requested only 1 so therefore leaving another comment would be unethical.

After all, it's a trust-based system.

I have received hundreds of comments but I've yet to notice a decline button. But if I find it, I'll be sure to keep clicking on it when I receive more than 1, never mind if the other person took the time to write it. And if I can't find the decline button, I'll just disapprove it outright. Because it's the right thing to do, never mind if their rating gets slashed and the person gets demoralized. And of course, not getting a credit as you mentioned.

Because the system trusts me to do the right thing.

Thank you for clearing this up.

Thank you for an answer that does not understand how the system works, the understanding of what a trust based system is and the rules governing the system it appears you are deliberatly wanting to be obtuse but rest assured there are repurcussions to both your dishonesty and repurcussions to the working of the system and the consequences to these. Your understanding of what I said is faulty and i advise you read up and understand the rules so the rest of the members are not disadvantaged further by your dishonest practices. You two are taking out more than you put in its as simple as that. When you are being trusted to do the right thing simple.

Once again, I apologize for wasting your precious time. I myself have something much much more important to do, my dog has to pee.

Good day, sir.

I have to say, they're not the only ones doing it that way. I'm sure there's hundreds of not thousands of us doing that.

It's not our fault if we put out 2 credits to get 1 comment and end up receiving more than 1 comment, right? All we asked for was 1 comment but more than 1 person got to it so they took their time to read our page and comment.

I had points that I've received 3 comments when I asked for 1 but I approved all 3 comments because I'm "paying them back" for taking the time to check out my page and comment on it for me. I saw it as common courtesy not cheating.

If I had disapproved their comments I would've have been charging them out of the time they took to help me out. The only people getting cheated are the ones who are not getting their credit for leaving a comment because someone disapproved their comment.

I've never disapproved anyone's comment and I've never had any of mine disapproved and I think that is our trust system. We know that no matter what if we take the time to help someone we will get our credit.

We're not hurting anyone by approving all the comments we get, we would be if we didn't approve them all because the commenter gets cheated out of their credit which was supposed to be given to them for their time.

Anyway, I'm not trying to add to the credit craziness, I'm just saying that there's most likely thousands of people doing the same thing without even thinking twice. We're just being fair by accepting their comment so they get their credit that they deserve.

Melissa

Hello Melissa,

I totally agree with everything you said. You're right on all points. I feel bad for those people who actually put an effort to write quality multi-paragraph comments only to be rejected for no reason. That actually really sucks.

I'm taking a break. I think I'm having site-comment PTSD now

Sonny

Hi Melissa,
I know you so I will explain so you do not fall foul of the consequences. The problem lies in the fact that the workings and the rules of the system appear to be misunderstood by the dishonest few who do not bother to learn and are only interested in what they can get for themselves and not for the benefit of all.

The base of the trust based system is simple you only take out what you have paid for. So if you paid 2 credits for one comment you take only one comment you are being trusted to take.

You are right that you asked for one and many arrive is in built into the system to encourage comnents. It achieves three things:

a.It gives you a choice of selecting the right/best comment as you have paid for it with your 2 credits to give you value.

b. It gives you further choice to select other comments and pay for them through either buying credits to pay for the extra comments or make credits through the system to pay for them by offering comments building your credits and coming back to pay for them.

C. To decline them, to allow the system to offer you more comments choice in their place should you request more suitable ones. If you do not want any more, than your decline of the comment does not punish the person who made the comment as he is paid 1 credit by the system as it receives 2 credits for every one paid out which allows the system to be able to absorb that cost. This achieves two objectives to keep both the person writing and the person wanting the comment happy and the system working accordingly.

The reject option is to keep the system from malpractice eg people sending an inappropriate to the subject or of very low quality comment and there are additional penalties of a deduction of the credit already paid to the commenter and slashing his/her rating that they are able to be banned from commenting outright if they reoffend.

If people like Idris and sonny (and you are right) perhaps thousands others take comments without paying then that will eventually bankrupt the credit system because more is taken out than rightfully paid in and 1.9 million members will be affected by the dishonest actions of a few bad eggs and even more importantly the majority who are abiding by these rules will no longer have a system that we rely on for comments to lift our websites off the ground so that others outside the system start to give us the comments we need to maintain our websites into the long term.

For that critical function to continue these dishonest people should be asked tto stop their activities and if they don't eradicated from participating in the system. I have already asked them to stop. The system is not completely defenceless and has in built features to stop them in their tracks when identified.

I do not believe that these dishonest two plus countless others do not know they are doing wrong it is a very basic concept you do not go into a supermarket buy one orange and walk out with10 if you continue to do so in ever bigger numbers the supermarket will be babkrupt.

Trust this helps your understanding further....

Happy valentine Mellisa ;

Rami.

I think this is getting out of hand.
If we pay for one comment, and receive mutliples, I think that is simply a bonus. Obviously, the system is not able to stop multiple commenters from replying simultaneously.
By rejecting extra comments, you are actually doing the commenter a disservice, as they will have put effort into their submission for no reward
Best, I think, to just cool it and agree to disagree on the semantics.

C. To decline them, to allow the system to offer you more comments choice in their place should you request more suitable ones. If you do not want any more, than your decline of the comment does not punish the person who made the comment as he is paid 1 credit by the system as it receives 2 credits for every one paid out which allows the system to be able to absorb that cost. This achieves two objectives to keep both the person writing and the person wanting the comment happy and the system working accordingly.

The reject option is to keep the system from malpractice eg people sending an inappropriate to the subject or of very low quality comment and there are additional penalties of a deduction of the credit already paid to the commenter and slashing his/her rating that they are able to be banned from commenting outright if they reoffend.

You Sir are also confusing an "offer" of extra comments they are not a "bonus" and surprised you do not ask yourself why there is an option for you to buy credits? It is for you to buy those extra comments not walk away with what you have not paid for!!!! So that the system can thrive and be available to us in pepetuity!.
Rami.
PS Surprised that a man of your years can condone walking away with what he has not paid for incredible!!
R.

You can also work for paying for the extra comments on "offer" by building credits through writing comments and contributing to the system and paying for the extra comments if you do not wish to put your hands in your pockets.

You do not take comments that have been worked for by just walking away with them. You have not paid for them that is why it is a trust paid system.

You are being trusted to do the right thing and pay for them, for the good of others within the system and indeed the system itself.

Rami.

Anyone facing this problem with sitecomments?

Good point! Weekends might not be the best timing too. I myself am not on WA on most weekends lol.

Do you also offer comments? I became a certified commenter last week lol! I give comments to get credits and use those credits to get comments for myself.

I do! How else would I get credits lol. I'm not gonna buy them, I need to save my money. I've yet to become a certified commenter though.

You know, honestly, I am so tempted to buy credits. I find giving comments to be mentally draining sometimes