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Hey, everyone...We need help...we have a question for you. We have a friend who, with his partner, have an existing website, traffic and 40 paid subscribers. They update their site

You know what, DjRoxxy? It's easy to overly complicate things. I truly understand where you're coming from and have no doubt this will work itself out. My concern for you is not how you'll get paid (both you and your friend will get paydays when you utilize all that WA offers). Instead, my concern for you is the fact that you are going into business (so to speak) with a friend. We love our friends and in the beginning of a business relationship with them, things generally go smoothly. Still in all, I will gently suggest that you protect yourself, and protect your friend, by entering into a legal agreement with each other. This way, there are no surprises and each of you understands exactly what to expect of the other. Our human tendency is to think that a friendship gone sour due to a business deal would never happen to us, yet there are countless lawsuit out there that suggest otherwise. Friends protect and take care of each other. Please consider doing this for each other now - at the beginning of the business relationship. Hope this helps! ~Cathy

Thank you so much for your comment Cathy! You have brought up a very important matter. Although being new to this, we have both been around the block a few times in general and have discussed this in length with my friend (we don't know his immediate partner and probably won't for awhile considering he lives in Canada and we're in Vegas). The point being that everything will be in place legally to protect both party's. The old adage about going into business with friends or family is generally true, but, as is everything, there are exceptions. This particular venture is more than 2 friends starting a project together, but again, thanks for your interest and concern! Any advice or thoughts you have will be greatly appreciated! dj & roxxy

WFS, Thanks again for your time and input. We don't know if we're not explaining ourselves right or if we're missing something in the whole big picture. We do NOT have any STAKE in the business itself. They are friends who have an up and coming website related to sports handicapping/ gambling. If you look at their website you will see that they do not have any links to related products/services. They are just a couple of guys who devote all their time to handicapping sports (Worldwide; including soccer, cricket, darts, etc.) They know all about what they're missing and the benefits of having it, but don't have the time or "know how" to do it.
...Neither do we completely, but like I said, we're friends and have an opportunity to be in charge of providing related affiliate programs to attach to their daily updated site with 40 & counting subscribers. Again, having nothing to do with any stake in the site itself (beyond making some extra cash betting games on the side. We do live in Vegas), what we have in mind is setting up their site (if you look at it, it is a blank slate) with links to relevant affiliate sites. Out of the money that is made from these affiliates alone, we would take a % (40?). This is the question we are asking. Are we way off base here in our thoughts about the proposed percentage? Is this something that would typically be done as a percentage or a one time payment? Does this seem like a profitable project? Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

I understand what you're saying DJRoxxy. Profit aside, I don't feel it's the company's best move to start promoting other products/services to their subscribers.

They should focus on their core offering and continue building their subscribers. If you're at 40 subscribers at $250/month than the site is grossing roughly $10k/month which is a great start. I would streamline the options because there are too many choices.

Offer only one subscription that includes all sports. Monthly is $299, Quarterly is $999, Yearly is $2,999

3 Day Pass for $49

They also need a free offering to collect leads. "10 Secrets to Successful Sports Betting - Enter your E-mail "- otherwise they are leaving money on the table for every person who visits the website but isn't ready to purchase. They have no way to contact those people again. With an e-mail list they do. With a free offer they can build a list of people who bet on sports. If anything, the affiliate offers should go out to that list, not your subscribers.

I had a client give away an old product he wasn't selling anymore on his website. He built 1,000 subscribers in 6 months (while he was working on his new product). When he launched his new product, he sent an eblast out to his list and sold $15,000 from that one e-mail. Point is - you've got to build an interest list.

It's also time to get off PayPal if they are at 40 subscribers. That's roughly $2k/year they could save using a real merchant processor (and not paying 3% + .30 per transaction). That money could go into PPC ads and grow their subscriberbase by 5-10 each month.

Here's my contact info if you'd like to get on the phone for 30 minutes and talk shop: http://adventurepaul.com/contact




Here is what I gather: you don't really really know what you are getting into, but you know more than your friends and you want to help them. You should get paid for your work even though you are learning as you go, so you don't want to charge too much, but you don't want to do it for free, either.
That said, I agree with you and so I suggest starting at 10% of their revenue derived from your work. Once you have done it a while and feel more comfortable, have more experience and are more familiar with what is involved, perhaps you can then revisit that percentage and increase it if the arrangement is working out for everybody.
If it is a case where your friends just want you to set up their affiliate accounts for them (set it and forget it), then I suggest charging a flat fee for each affiliate you set up. If you have a job, charge them based on your current hourly rate, maybe 150%. For example, if you earn $10 an hour now, charge them $15 per hour to set up the affiliate relationship.
Does it seem like a profitable project, you asked.Yes, I say. You will learn something from it,even if it does not bring the financial reward. Experience is priceless. Hope it works out well for you. All of you!

Thank you Empress, that's exactly what we're trying to figure out. You input helps a lot!

Hey WFS, so sorry, but we missed your last reply. Would definitely like to 'talk shop'. Probably not today (I woke up to find out it is my birthday and Roxxy's insisting I take a 'fun' day. UUUGH!. I'll probably have to do as told, but I'm fighting it. I want to figure this stuff out) Things aren't exactly as you have in mind, but close enough. Thanks again for your time. Will get back to you soon. dj @ roxxy

Taking a percentage of affiliate sales is one idea. Almost like you're a Top Tier affiliate that gets a percentage of every other affiliate who joins. Example: If I signed up to be an affiliate and earned 40% of the recurring membership fee each month, you could earn 5% so the company is paying out a total of 45% in affiliate commissions. Wealthy Affiliate uses a company called http://www.postaffiliatepro.com/ to manage their affiliate network, which you can do the described scenario above with.

Another idea is to just charge a flat rate to manage the program each month. Or a combination of the two. For example, (making up numbers) $2,000/month to manage the affiliate network + 5% of all sales that derive from affiliates.

When deciding what to do I would consider that there is a LOT of work at the beginning to set it up and recruit new affiliates, so make sure to cover your operating expenses at the beginning. Find something that works for both of you.

Thank you for your input. Maybe we have this all wrong. Doesn't affiliate marketing involve signing up with companies that sell a product or service, adding a link to their business on the site in question, then getting a % of any sale that is made while they browse the products or service of the linked site? If we're just hooking up the links to relevant businesses (after making an affiliate contract, in this case with sports and sports gambling related products and services), wouldn't it be smarter to just take a higher percentage/commission instead of a monthly fee (these are friends and don't have the extra capital to pay an extra bill right now anyway. They haven't been around long, but are growing at a nice pace. Check it out if you want. http://www.globalsportsmarkets.com/) if you believe in the potential growth of the site? Again, if you haven't seen, we're newbies to all this. Just trying to figure it all out and not miss what seems like a great initial opportunity for getting our feet wet. Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Yes you're correct about affiliate marketing, but that's in terms of when you are the Publisher (affiliate). That's when you represent other companies for a commission.

I thought you were talking about managing your friend's affiliate network as the Company (ie: signing up Publishers/Affiliates to represent YOUR company for a portion of the proceeds) as a means to grow your subscriber base from 40 to 400.

That seems like a better use of you and your friends time. Focus on growing your core product first. Build an affiliate network under you to sell your products. It will prove to be more profitable than trying to sell other people's products to your visitors or customers.

We have a marketing strategy, yes. It is for an existing site that has traffic as well as 40 paid subscribers to their business (it is sports handicapping). They sell a monthly subscription to have access to their info and game picks. They have thought about adding affiliate marketing, but don't have the time or know how to add affiliates. To our way of thinking, from what we have learned (please keep in mind we are true newbies), this site seems like a blank canvas for us to add affiliates and take a percentage of sales (seems to be the way it would be done). Are we looking at this right? Please check it out if you want: http://www.globalsportsmarkets.com/

There is a guy on here that I know who is focused on disability Bill67 might be of interest to him why not pm him

Thank you for getting back to us Katie ! We have sent a message to Bill67 and will wait to hear back.

What all are you talking about here. Are you meaning to put together a complete marketing strategy and implement it?
Also, what would you be marketing? Do they have a product or products?

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How much should we charge for just hooking up affiliate marketing for an existing website?  Should w

How much should we charge for just hooking up affiliate marketing for an existing website? Should w

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Hey, everyone...We need help...we have a question for you. We have a friend who, with his partner, have an existing website, traffic and 40 paid subscribers. They update their site

You know what, DjRoxxy? It's easy to overly complicate things. I truly understand where you're coming from and have no doubt this will work itself out. My concern for you is not how you'll get paid (both you and your friend will get paydays when you utilize all that WA offers). Instead, my concern for you is the fact that you are going into business (so to speak) with a friend. We love our friends and in the beginning of a business relationship with them, things generally go smoothly. Still in all, I will gently suggest that you protect yourself, and protect your friend, by entering into a legal agreement with each other. This way, there are no surprises and each of you understands exactly what to expect of the other. Our human tendency is to think that a friendship gone sour due to a business deal would never happen to us, yet there are countless lawsuit out there that suggest otherwise. Friends protect and take care of each other. Please consider doing this for each other now - at the beginning of the business relationship. Hope this helps! ~Cathy

Thank you so much for your comment Cathy! You have brought up a very important matter. Although being new to this, we have both been around the block a few times in general and have discussed this in length with my friend (we don't know his immediate partner and probably won't for awhile considering he lives in Canada and we're in Vegas). The point being that everything will be in place legally to protect both party's. The old adage about going into business with friends or family is generally true, but, as is everything, there are exceptions. This particular venture is more than 2 friends starting a project together, but again, thanks for your interest and concern! Any advice or thoughts you have will be greatly appreciated! dj & roxxy

WFS, Thanks again for your time and input. We don't know if we're not explaining ourselves right or if we're missing something in the whole big picture. We do NOT have any STAKE in the business itself. They are friends who have an up and coming website related to sports handicapping/ gambling. If you look at their website you will see that they do not have any links to related products/services. They are just a couple of guys who devote all their time to handicapping sports (Worldwide; including soccer, cricket, darts, etc.) They know all about what they're missing and the benefits of having it, but don't have the time or "know how" to do it.
...Neither do we completely, but like I said, we're friends and have an opportunity to be in charge of providing related affiliate programs to attach to their daily updated site with 40 & counting subscribers. Again, having nothing to do with any stake in the site itself (beyond making some extra cash betting games on the side. We do live in Vegas), what we have in mind is setting up their site (if you look at it, it is a blank slate) with links to relevant affiliate sites. Out of the money that is made from these affiliates alone, we would take a % (40?). This is the question we are asking. Are we way off base here in our thoughts about the proposed percentage? Is this something that would typically be done as a percentage or a one time payment? Does this seem like a profitable project? Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

I understand what you're saying DJRoxxy. Profit aside, I don't feel it's the company's best move to start promoting other products/services to their subscribers.

They should focus on their core offering and continue building their subscribers. If you're at 40 subscribers at $250/month than the site is grossing roughly $10k/month which is a great start. I would streamline the options because there are too many choices.

Offer only one subscription that includes all sports. Monthly is $299, Quarterly is $999, Yearly is $2,999

3 Day Pass for $49

They also need a free offering to collect leads. "10 Secrets to Successful Sports Betting - Enter your E-mail "- otherwise they are leaving money on the table for every person who visits the website but isn't ready to purchase. They have no way to contact those people again. With an e-mail list they do. With a free offer they can build a list of people who bet on sports. If anything, the affiliate offers should go out to that list, not your subscribers.

I had a client give away an old product he wasn't selling anymore on his website. He built 1,000 subscribers in 6 months (while he was working on his new product). When he launched his new product, he sent an eblast out to his list and sold $15,000 from that one e-mail. Point is - you've got to build an interest list.

It's also time to get off PayPal if they are at 40 subscribers. That's roughly $2k/year they could save using a real merchant processor (and not paying 3% + .30 per transaction). That money could go into PPC ads and grow their subscriberbase by 5-10 each month.

Here's my contact info if you'd like to get on the phone for 30 minutes and talk shop: http://adventurepaul.com/contact




Here is what I gather: you don't really really know what you are getting into, but you know more than your friends and you want to help them. You should get paid for your work even though you are learning as you go, so you don't want to charge too much, but you don't want to do it for free, either.
That said, I agree with you and so I suggest starting at 10% of their revenue derived from your work. Once you have done it a while and feel more comfortable, have more experience and are more familiar with what is involved, perhaps you can then revisit that percentage and increase it if the arrangement is working out for everybody.
If it is a case where your friends just want you to set up their affiliate accounts for them (set it and forget it), then I suggest charging a flat fee for each affiliate you set up. If you have a job, charge them based on your current hourly rate, maybe 150%. For example, if you earn $10 an hour now, charge them $15 per hour to set up the affiliate relationship.
Does it seem like a profitable project, you asked.Yes, I say. You will learn something from it,even if it does not bring the financial reward. Experience is priceless. Hope it works out well for you. All of you!

Thank you Empress, that's exactly what we're trying to figure out. You input helps a lot!

Hey WFS, so sorry, but we missed your last reply. Would definitely like to 'talk shop'. Probably not today (I woke up to find out it is my birthday and Roxxy's insisting I take a 'fun' day. UUUGH!. I'll probably have to do as told, but I'm fighting it. I want to figure this stuff out) Things aren't exactly as you have in mind, but close enough. Thanks again for your time. Will get back to you soon. dj @ roxxy

Taking a percentage of affiliate sales is one idea. Almost like you're a Top Tier affiliate that gets a percentage of every other affiliate who joins. Example: If I signed up to be an affiliate and earned 40% of the recurring membership fee each month, you could earn 5% so the company is paying out a total of 45% in affiliate commissions. Wealthy Affiliate uses a company called http://www.postaffiliatepro.com/ to manage their affiliate network, which you can do the described scenario above with.

Another idea is to just charge a flat rate to manage the program each month. Or a combination of the two. For example, (making up numbers) $2,000/month to manage the affiliate network + 5% of all sales that derive from affiliates.

When deciding what to do I would consider that there is a LOT of work at the beginning to set it up and recruit new affiliates, so make sure to cover your operating expenses at the beginning. Find something that works for both of you.

Thank you for your input. Maybe we have this all wrong. Doesn't affiliate marketing involve signing up with companies that sell a product or service, adding a link to their business on the site in question, then getting a % of any sale that is made while they browse the products or service of the linked site? If we're just hooking up the links to relevant businesses (after making an affiliate contract, in this case with sports and sports gambling related products and services), wouldn't it be smarter to just take a higher percentage/commission instead of a monthly fee (these are friends and don't have the extra capital to pay an extra bill right now anyway. They haven't been around long, but are growing at a nice pace. Check it out if you want. http://www.globalsportsmarkets.com/) if you believe in the potential growth of the site? Again, if you haven't seen, we're newbies to all this. Just trying to figure it all out and not miss what seems like a great initial opportunity for getting our feet wet. Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Yes you're correct about affiliate marketing, but that's in terms of when you are the Publisher (affiliate). That's when you represent other companies for a commission.

I thought you were talking about managing your friend's affiliate network as the Company (ie: signing up Publishers/Affiliates to represent YOUR company for a portion of the proceeds) as a means to grow your subscriber base from 40 to 400.

That seems like a better use of you and your friends time. Focus on growing your core product first. Build an affiliate network under you to sell your products. It will prove to be more profitable than trying to sell other people's products to your visitors or customers.

We have a marketing strategy, yes. It is for an existing site that has traffic as well as 40 paid subscribers to their business (it is sports handicapping). They sell a monthly subscription to have access to their info and game picks. They have thought about adding affiliate marketing, but don't have the time or know how to add affiliates. To our way of thinking, from what we have learned (please keep in mind we are true newbies), this site seems like a blank canvas for us to add affiliates and take a percentage of sales (seems to be the way it would be done). Are we looking at this right? Please check it out if you want: http://www.globalsportsmarkets.com/

There is a guy on here that I know who is focused on disability Bill67 might be of interest to him why not pm him

Thank you for getting back to us Katie ! We have sent a message to Bill67 and will wait to hear back.

What all are you talking about here. Are you meaning to put together a complete marketing strategy and implement it?
Also, what would you be marketing? Do they have a product or products?

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