At what point do you wave the white flag?

Last Update: August 06, 2019

Update: Pedro (I-Pedro-I) sent me some great links about E.A.T., which is something that Google is looking for now, especially with health and money sites. EAT means Expertise, Authoritativeness and Trust. I'm going to post the links here in case this helps anyone else.

Thank you, Pedro!

New question: how do we show that we're authorities in our niches? I don't know about you, but I haven't personally written any books on the topic on MMO (something they look for) and I don't have a degree in it. Any ideas?



At what point do you evaluate your webiste and say "This clearly isn't working?" and move on?

I know most people say "Just keep going, just keep going!" but there has be a point when it doesn't make sense to keep going anymore?

I've put a lot of time and effort into my site, but traffic is getting worse and worse by the day.

I had a total of 30 people on my site yesterday. Just a couple of Google searches. This is great if you're just starting out. Not so much when you're 11 months in.

I'm just wondering if you have a set point where you decide it's not working and you need to move on to something else?

I would hate to spend even more time and effort on this and be in the same spot a few months from now.

What are your thoughts?

- Christina

P.S. To anyone new, this is not to discourage you. Thisis a great business. But not everything you do works out perfectly and sometimes you need to adjust.

P.P.S. I don't recommend starting with the make money online niche. :)

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Kyle Premium Featured Comment
Although this is probably not the success you imagined, you likely are not far away from further traffic growth.

At 30 uniques per day, and the fact that you are getting rankings, you are still in a pretty good position. 900 uniques per month, if paid for through PPC, you would be looking at a minimum of $0.50 per click, or $450 worth of traffic every month coming to your website.

It is easy to get discouraged when you look around and see the success of people getting 1,000's of uniques daily, people that have been at it 4-5 years, but they have also been at it 4-5 years.

What if you continue down your path that you are and are able to get up to 300-500 uniques by this time next year? The most work to set up a business online is the foundation, and that is what you have set out now. Maybe it took you 11 months to establish this foundation, maybe the next 11 months are growth months.
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cld111 Premium
I understand what you're saying. I don't think it's the fact that I'm getting 30 visitors a day that's frustrating. It's the fact that I had more traffic, and my traffic is decreasing instead of increasing.

As I write more and more, I would expect to get more and more traffic. Not less and less.

I'm comparing myself to other Super Affiliates in their 11 months and I know they they had 10,000 + visitors per month by that point.

So I'm just trying to figure out when it makes sense to say "this isn't working" and move on to something else that can work better.

I'm going to keep going with this site for longer because I do think the potential is there. And I know I have places on it that I need to improve. And hopefully I can get the traffic up.

Thanks for your response, Kyle! It's appreciated.

- Christina
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ghimes Premium
Hi Christina, to improve your level of expertise to on your site continue to research your niche by adding new material and refining the importance and what benefits readers can take away to benefit their needs. I've gone through this a few times and determined that I just need to keep bringing newer materials to my website.. Do not give up and above all else keep your genuine passion evident about your site; it will get better with time. Hope this insight helps and best success to you.
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cld111 Premium
Thank you, I will definitely keep this in mind. I always aim to provide the best content I can, but I know there's always room for improvement.

- Christina
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OSegun Premium
Hi Christina,
I am not much of an expert in this myself as I am a little more than three months on this.

But one of the things that I have learned that I believe works is the mastery of SEO. I am getting to understand how it helps your content get good ranking. My website is https://allaboutholiday.com. And I am getting No 1 ranking even if you put allaboutholiday on google search engine. All through the use of SEO.

You may explore SEO opportunities the more.


I wish you all the best.

Segun
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cld111 Premium
That's awesome, you're off to a great start!

- Christina
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OSegun Premium
Thank you Christina.

Success to all of us.

Segun
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AlexEvans Premium
Hi Christina, I think that the MMO niche can be one of the hardest eggs to crack, from my personal perspective it can be about that niche within a niche within a niche kind of thing.

As long as when we arrive in that clearing, the people there are intent on spending money then we can create the returns we are seeking.

Bridging the gap can be hard, the difference is the number of words from observation, if you look at the guys here in WA there is a formula, look at the folks going to Vegas and look at there online footprint, consistently their battleships have in excess of say 300 plus posts and that figure increases at a rate of three to four a week.


When we are trapped in no-mans-land the whole process can seem overwhelming, the biggie bridge to cross is am I wasting my time.

Basically, we are here to learn to create change, we are seeking change, but then we don't want to change, because we have one foot in our old lives.

Basically, if we are doing the MMO thing in WA we are doing the same thing, sometimes it can be valuable to stick our heads out of the train window you get a real good view of what lies down the track. If you can see what is coming there are opportunities to be explored

That can help us to reinvent what we are doing, little changes can be what makes all the difference down the track.

I would keep going.

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cld111 Premium
Hm, a couple of people have kind of said the same thing. The MMO niche is competitive and you have to find your niche within it.

I understand that because when I'm researching different reviews, the kind of all look the same and I can see that I'm not standing out in any way.

The problem is that I don't yet know how to stand out. But I'll keep thinking on it...

- Christina
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dominic16 Premium
Okay, I'm gonna' spill the beans, Christina. My Bootcamp blog is already 3 years old, yet it still gets the same traffic as you do.

What happened? I got turned down so many times when I'm not getting the Google traffic I deserve, which made me quit my Bootcamp site numerous times. Long story short, I'm the living proof of someone who threw in the towel so easily. And my results tell the truth!

Should you stop in posting content, my friend, there's no reason why your traffic couldn't go even lower (like I did when it hit near bottom at 60 clicks a month!)

If you allow me to add my 2 cents, I'd say you keep on producing content as you always do, but realize that you gotta' add something to the mix. I'm also looking to pillar posts for gaining authority and links (the natural way) but I've yet to plan which type of content will suit that purpose.

Now, don't feel bad for yourself if your results don't par up with the Super Affiliates. I'm pretty sure they're not revealing everything and are doing something else on the side to succeed bigtime. After all, the 'make money online' niche is incredibly tough in the first place!

Should you display the same consistency in other niches, I'm pretty sure you could have already succeeded and made some money in the process.

It all boils down to two choices: To continue and figure out a way to penetrate the MMO niche, or to pick a less competitive niche, but retaining the same effort you've always had with your current website.


I hope you consider my insights,
Dominic
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sherlock77 Premium
Nicely put, Dominic.
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cld111 Premium
Thanks, Dominic. I know you're kind of in the same boat as me on this. It's just so hard to put so much effort in and see your results dwindling. I've had 8 people on my site today so far. 8.

I don't get it.

I might just have to let this site go for a while just because it's stressing me out too much.

I appreciate your words. Thanks so much!

- Christina
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dominic16 Premium
Another 2 cents Christina if you allow me again (which makes it 4 cents LOL), don't waste your energy on biz opp products and courses which you think don't have the potential to bring more traffic in the long-term.

In my experience, the ones I see in Muncheye.com have no potential at all to grow you long-term traffic because they're mostly W+ and JVZoo products (ClickBank might still work though). These same W+ and JVZoo gurus had caused me a lot of trouble back in 2017 when they enticed me to shell out 1,000's of dollars in order to try their methods (I loved shiny objects back then).

As much as I'd love to become an affiliate of their products (because they had yummy upsells), the truth sinks in when I realized I've been wasting my time and effort writing reviews about them. Such gurus launch their rehashed products and make the most money in the first week or two. But once the fad is gone, interest and traffic fades away.

Also, don't review a lot of work sites where people can just simply hop on for free to make money. Those people are never qualified to spend money in the first place. I know because the one post I had that went viral in Google was a work-at-home site with free admission. It only brought me 4 referrals in the month of July (and no one had set up their profile).

I guess my point here is, conserve your energy as much as you can so you could direct it to more important things (possibly a new niche site if you insist). It's also best if you could attract the right biz opp seekers (the ones who have the money and are willing to spend for education) to your website. My intuition tells me that MLM programs attract those type of people. That's why I'm going to attempt to attract that to my site. I hope to share with you my results in a few months or so.

Hope this helps!
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dominic16 Premium
Thanks Darren.
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cld111 Premium
I'm enjoying all of your cents, Dominic! haha

I almost never those shady ClickBank (or Warrior +, etc) products. Once in a while there will be a good product in there and I will promote it, but I do see that the traffic dies off pretty quickly with those.

I have been doing some of the MLMs. The issue with them, as I've seen other write, is that it's a completely different mindset and those people don't convert well.

I'm still throwing them into the mix so we'll see how they do (if I can get them to rank).

Keep me posted if anything happens with your MLM posts and if they convert.

- Christina
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dominic16 Premium
Okay sure, best wishes to both of us.
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JohnJStanley Premium
Hi Christina,
I agree with Ian and super coach Kyle,
Especially Ian's comments about mixing things up and ask yourself how can you be different?
For example, how about a Pillar Post to "knock the other posts out of the park".
So my site was struggling for awhile, is 12 months old and still has a loooooong way to go. See attached my traffic, it is also 2,9K (30 days) and rising in the last 2 months.
When I achieved my first solid post on page 1 of Google and from improving it in March 2019 (https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/training/how-this-easy-seo-tactic-can-help-you-boost-your-traffic), the traffic graph shows that's when my traffic started rising.
So with writing a solid Pillar post etc, I now believe in Santa Claus.
Wishing you online success Christina.....regards John
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cld111 Premium
This is very helpful, and I also went through your training. That's something that I have read to do, it just slipped my mind.

I just updated one of my posts using your training.

The issue is, I'm not ranking for a lot of things that I can update right now.

Also, I need to look into the pillar post thing. I think I'm a little fuzzy on what would be a pillar post and that could help with my SEO.

Thanks for your help!

- Christina
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JohnJStanley Premium
Hi Christina,
I write a little on Pillar Posts here: But you can also Google "Pillar and Cluster Content" and look for something by Neil Patel or Hubspot. I learned a lot from reading these.
Another way of looking at it, is there a sub-niche or micro-niche in your niche where you can be the best/excellent/authority in? If so you write and go for it (Pillar long content). But I recommend only if you have this strategy. I've written a few Pillars since the first one and not all of them have hit the target yet (but I'll apply my training after Google marinates them for 3-6 months).
Good luck with it all. I'm like most people here.....keep persisting :) John
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cld111 Premium
Thanks, I'll definitely check out your post!

- Christina
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YanFellow Premium
Hi Christina -Kyle has nailed it. Or part of it :-)

It takes time to build a business.

However, you may want to look at what you're doing, check keywords, article length, layout, SEO, page speed, engagement etc.

Not everything we do will be optimum and it could be that a tweak in a couple of areas might make a difference.

Maybe you could ask someone who's familiar with your niche to take a look.

Ian
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cld111 Premium
Thanks, Ian! I have been looking and looking and tweaking and tweaking...

- Christina
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YanFellow Premium
Good ho! :-)
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SondraM Premium
Christina, here is a link to my WA post that summarized Google's document on E.A.T. with excerpts about what the Google quality raters are looking at. They don't expect you to have a degree or be scholar.

It also has a link to the actual document towards the bottom.
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cld111 Premium
Thank you, I'll take a look at this!

- Christina
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SondraM Premium
I spent a LOT of time reading and analyzing's Google's document that discusses E.A.T.

As someone that does have a degree and a license and has spent a lot of time in academia, I can assure you that even those that do have degrees are concerned they do not have the online authority that others has. It takes a while to be earned online.

Yet, the Google reviewers that are paid to analyze websites know that life experience counts. They even say so in their examples. Try to make time to look at Google's document in the part about the money niche. It will make you a little less concerned about what you are doing as long as you have used the product you are reviewing and/or the red flags are so blatant that you wouldn't touch it.....

From what I read when I read that huge document and the trends that I am seeing, including your picture and your real name helps. Sharing your true journey about why you are passionate about your topic and your experience helps.

Jay and Kyle teach us to include links to an outside site. Jay suggests Wikiepedia because it is easy. I suggest finding the best quality reference that you can. I typically try to go to University websites, government websites or academic articles if I can. I frequently use the IRS websites. The Small Business Development Center and SCORE websites as also very authoritative in the small business world.

I know that I may be rewording what the IRS website says for instance, but the average person would be reading my posts because the IRS website is too dry. Scholarly articles are even worse.

Also, if you can join any relevant professional or business organizations. In the real estate world, I have been able to include my personal website on Realtor websites, Houzz, and a real estate blog community. Thus - I am able to clearly differentiate myself as a professional from the average person that chooses to blog about real estate. My real estate website has also been the quickest to get organic traffic. Obviously it also pertains to my local market. It would be doing even better if I published content regularly....
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cld111 Premium
I'll definitely take a closer look at the reviewer documentation.

(P.S. Fun fact - I actually used to do that job, but for Bing. It was quite a while ago though...)

Thanks so much for posting this!

- Christina
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SondraM Premium
How fun!
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cld111 Premium
It was insanely boring! lol

- Christina
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SondraM Premium
Oh wow. I would have thought it would have been really interesting. Yet, I guess if you have to look at boring websites all day....

I am looking forward to your awesome break through success story where you look back to this post and laugh about how frustrated you were at this point in time.
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cld111 Premium
I'm looking forward to that too! haha

- Christina
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Gergelz Premium
Hi Christina,

Although I'm pretty new to affiliate marketing and I am just starting my MMO niche website, I'd say that if Google wants authority, give Google authority.

I haven't seen your website so you might have already done these, but if you haven't...just a few idea that I am planning to do myself once I have written the articles I want to promote...;

- Earn some backlinks if you can with link exchange

- Put some of the posts into a Powerpoint presentation and upload them to slideshare

- Save the same presentation as a video and put it on YouTube, Vimeo, dailymotion etc. If you are not afraid to be on screen or your voice heard you can explain what's in the post and make it a great video with or without you in the bottom-left corner.

- Now that you'll have the voiceover, nothing is stopping you from making it to a podcast.

- Depending on the type of posts you have written, you may be able to put some of the more personal / how-to posts into an ebook that you can either submit to http://Free-ebooks.net (or similar), or even publish it on Amazon (it does not matter if no-one buys it, but you can link to it from your website)

- Not sure about pinterest…

Those may or may not work (I'll find out myself soon...:) but I think its worth give it a try, especially that you already have the content. You just gotta give Google what it wants...I'll start with YouTube.

Regards,
Greg
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cld111 Premium
These are great ideas! I never thought of using Slideshare. Very interesting.

Thank you for this!

One thing I need to think about is backlinks. I think I need to look more into that...

- Christina
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Gergelz Premium
No worries.
I think all that I suggested above would 'earn' you backlinks of some quality ie the link to your post from the YT video description, the link in the footer of the slides on slideshare.
Someone with more expertise could tell us if these would count as 'backlinks'. Nevertheless, your site pointing to these pieces of content will slightly increase the authority of your site too

One thing I forgot to mention that external links to authority pages (within the context of your content) may improve ranking too - like the links you just shared.
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cld111 Premium
I do a lot of external linking on my posts. I follow Jay's ranking blueprint as much as possible.

- Christina
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sgregcrx Premium
In my first 12 months, I got 2500 ish visitors the whole year, probably less than half organic.

Second-year 10x that,

3rd? well it's not over but I'm getting 25,000 a month on average but if that's not doubled by the time the years out I will be disappointed!

You ask how to build authority and trust with google?


You do this by surviving, by still being there in 3,4,5 years time. There are no short cuts, not ones that last, just keep plugging away.

the only time you quit is if you hate what you are doing.

to get the traffic you have in 11 months is incredible, if you keep it up there is NO reason that will not be 10x in a years time. If you reset, you are back to square one.

If you have an idea or a concept that is just burning you up inside then it's worth considering, if you are just chasing traffic and returns your current site has an 11-month head start on anything else, that is PRICELESS!

I've been through the opposite, I wanted to abandon Travel and go down the MMO line as I was not getting any traction in the first 12 months, I resisted, and I am so glad I did. Growth on an established site is childsplay compared to starting afresh.

There is some great advice below about not continuing doing exactly the same thing but those 11 months give you such an edge. So if you need just a slight direction change, carrying on is definately the best option.

A new site and a complete change could easily see you back here in 11/12months time asking the same question. This is your breakthrough moment, it's when others quit, when google pushes them, they break, if you are the one to stick it out you are the one google awards the trust.

Hope that helps,

I have been in the same place, actually worse, I never got google slapped as I never had any traffic to begin with, it's soul-destroying, but in the long run this is what Google wants, it wants to kill off the people only in it for a quick buck, it's not worth it, it's too hard, the only way to survive is thinking bigger, thinking of the rewards in 5/6/7 years time.
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cld111 Premium
Thank you! This is really great advice, and I appreciate your positive experience with sticking it out too. I think I get discouraged because there are people on here who have never gotten traction, even after a couple of years.

But, I will continue on for now and see if Google will let me in at some point.

I know someone else (I think BenjisDad, Chris,) mentioned that you have to stick it out and outlast the competition, which is what you're saying too. I will certainly keep that in mind.

- Christina
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amjadjudeh Premium
Hello Cristina,

This is going to be a very long answer. You can jump into the conclusion at the end if you get confused.



If you were in a different niche, I would say that you better fix the problem and continue. But being in this niche (MMO & IM) in particular makes me give you two answers:

1 - You can fix it, but NOT through doing the same thing over and over again (I will explained below what to do).
2 - It is fine to change to another niche, because even after fixing the current situation, and although you will start seeing better results soon, but you are still in the most competitive and energy draining niche. And trust me, it is a small in terms of audience when compared to other niches including the competitive ones such as: health, personal finance, yoga & meditation, basketball, soccer ...etc. It is even smaller than the weight-loss niche. Too many products and bloggers for a small portion of audience.


I have been through the same phase and I was about to give up after having 130+ posts (more than 100 were reviews!).

I found the problem with the help of Robert a few months ago, but I was completely exhausted and stopped writing that time after I was publishing 5-6 times a week.

In the duration of around three months, I wrote only 4-5 posts in total, and in the last two week, I wrote another 5 posts.

These last 10 posts that I wrote in the past 3.5 months have increased the impressions in Google Search Console significantly, but not the traffic because they haven't made it to page one (yet).

What is the point of this long answer?

The point is that you can fix this situation if you avoid the main mistake you have been doing so far and by doing some updates.


But you can also start fresh with another niche and avoid the mistakes you have done here since the beginning, since as I said earlier, this is still a competitive niche and a small one in comparison to other niches, and honestly, it works like an energy vampire when you write all those reviews after watching all the cheesy sales videos.

Maybe a niche that speaks more about you can make it easier to write content, which could rank faster because of the lower competition, and it will feel much easier for you after you have gone through the MMO niche.

It is up to you to decide what to do.


In any case, I will explain here the mistake that Roope helped me to understand and I believe that you have done as well and what improvements you could do:

The main mistake was in writing too many reviews, and in particular, the ones that don't target products with longevity.

And this also was mentioned in the month 9 lesson of the super affiliate bootcamp, along with other criteria to follow when writing reviews: We rushed into writing reviews about many ClickBank products that were easy to rank on page 1 or 2 of google for the first two weeks of the launch and that increased the impressions and the clicks as you saw in Google Search Console, but after a couple of weeks, those products have literally died and the content we wrote about them stopped getting any impressions because no one is searching for those reviews.

And if you reviewed some Warrior Plus products like I did, it is even worse, as these only last for 3-5 days of the launch and then they die, even though some of them are actual products that are of benefit more than the trashy courses on ClickBank.

The solution to this is to stop writing about such products and focus on the ones with longevity. And maybe it is a good idea to go through Google Search Console, check the impressions for the last 30 days, and whichever reviews didn't get impressions, delete those reviews or at least, de-index them through the SEO plugin. Google has stated many times that pages that don't get any search volume can negatively affect the overall quality and rankings of the website, and that by deleting them or de-indexing them you could improve the rankings of other pages. If you are afraid to do so, then leave them there until later.

However, some of ClickBank products are there to stay, especially the high ticket ones like the CB Passive Income, Crestani's Jetset, Print Profits, Commission Hero, SaleHoo and some others.

And although these products might be very competitive now, but you can slowly rank for them if you go back to these reviews after a couple of months and update them by following Jay's two webinars here: and here: If you have already reviewed any of these products, go and update it as per the training and see if something happens in few weeks.



And in general, if you want products to review, there might be many products with affiliate programs that are not on ClickBank and those tend to have longevity, especially the ones that are MLM or network marketing products. I haven't reviewed the MLM stuff, but I have seen many reviews about them on Robert's and Jerry's blogs. These seem to have more search volume, more longevity and lower competition than CB products.


Another thing to do is to go back into writing non-review based articles, especially the how-to's, lists, and other question based articles. You will find some of them with low competition if you dig in Jaaxy.


One tip that helped me recently in addition to the above: When you research for a new keyword or if you want to update a current article/review:

1 - Find the LSI keywords that are related to the main keyword (you can do that by applying the main keyword in google search and scrolling down to the bottom of the page where it says: "Searches related to your keyword")

2 - Try to cover these in the main article.

The point is NOT to try to rank for them, but rather, to show google that you are covering the different aspects of the main keyword in detail, which should help the ranking for that keyword faster.


So, the conclusion of this long answer:
1 - Stop writing reviews for low quality products that have short lifespan and find the ones with longevity.
2 - Update the articles/reviews that get impressions but don't get clicks as per Jay's training mentioned above and by including the LSI keywords in them.
3 - Write more non-review based articles targeting questions or lists.
4 - Also, you don't have to stick to affiliate marketing and to promoting WA. You can write posts about dropshipping with Shopify as it is still hot and have a lower competition than affiliate marketing related topics. It might be harder to flip that audience into affiliate marketing, but you can promote to them a good dropshipping course like I do. You can also review some premium Shopify themes, which is something I did and made some money with.
5 - This might be a helpful tip that many of us missed when we started: Choose a direction for your website by talking to a specific segment of people, which could help your brand. For example: moms who work from home, single moms, seniors and retirees trying to make money online (although they might not be that patient), ...etc. With a domain name like yours, you can easily connect to a group of people this way and make them trust you faster.


Feel free to check my website (onlinepassiveincomeguide . com) to see the last ten posts, these are either evergreen high-ticket CB products, products that are not listed on affiliate networks (but have their own affiliate program), or educational posts. (except one product review that I should've not written)

These last ten are getting more impressions than 100 reviews for that I wrote earlier because I was more conscious writing them.


Finally, remember that you can still go to a different niche that speaks more about what you love to do than this niche, it would be better than continuing through something you don't like or giving up. You can always come back to the current website and revamp it.

I hope my answer helps and is not boring.
Amjad
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SaraPoyner Premium
A truly wonderful ‘expert’ answer and one everyone in this Niche should read xx
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amjadjudeh Premium
Thanks a lot Sara.. I'm glad you liked it :)
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cld111 Premium
This is absolutely fabulous! You are so right about reviewing ClickBank products that don't last. I have been doing more reviews of better, lasting programs as of late, but I did a lot of the ClickBank ones to start.

Those did get me traffic, but yes, they died off, as they should. I just started doing some MLMs, although I know that traffic doesn't convert as well.

I'm going to have a look at your site. I appreciate the time you took to write all of that out, and I know that anyone else that comes to this thread will be able to benefit.

Thank you!!

- Christina
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amjadjudeh Premium
You are most welcome Christina!

Your continuous updates kept me motivated all the time, I'm glad that you found my answer helpful :)

- Amjad
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Swangirl Premium
Wow! Great informative answer. Thanks!
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SaraPoyner Premium
Hey, I am no expert and I no nothing about the MMO field. But I have just looked at your website and it is awesome! It is personal and funny and honest.

I am presuming when you say ‘quit’ you just mean leaving it to just be. Leaving it to marinate.

It sounds like you have put your heart and soul into it, so maybe take a break and start something new? Maybe a Niche? But then just maintain the other.

I am grateful you asked this question because I have wondered whether the ‘keep going’ ‘don’t quit’ advice I see given is always right. At 6 month they are told it takes a year, at a year they are told 18 months, at 18 months they are told 2 years.

I will be very interested to see what others advise and what you decide x
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cld111 Premium
Yes, the "never give up" advice is good overall, but sometimes you may have to give up doing something that's not working.

And you're right, that timeline does seem to change. Give it 6 months, 12 months, 18 months.

But there are a lot of factors involved and I'm sure how long you should give it depends on a lot of things.

AJ had a good post here about it: - Christina
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FKelso Premium
Christina, I have been a member for 13 months and have made just a few sales. However, I'm too stubborn to quit. Like you, I am wondering if my site needs some basic "fix" that I'm not seeing, and eventually I guess I'll learn what it is. However, I just can't see quitting after all work I've put into my website. I like my niche; I don't want to change; I just have to figure out how to get people to buy.

Just hang in there and keep looking. Get some of the "experts" to review and give suggestions. Re-do training to see what you might have missed. Look at some of the websites run by folks who are making money. If we both try all these things, perhaps our questions will be answered.
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cld111 Premium
This is great advice, Fran. Thank you so much!

What is your niche?

- Christina
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FKelso Premium
One is cats and one is promoting WA
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cld111 Premium
Both great topics! :) (Crazy cat lady here. haha)

Jessica (Swangirl) has a cat site that's starting to get some traction. Maybe you can talk with her to see what's working for her?

I'll let you know about MMO when I crack that one...

- Christina
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FKelso Premium
I have talked to Jessica often; looked at her lovely site; she is good at offering ideas.

And, by the way, my literate cat, Lucinda, knows me as the CCL. That stands for Cantankerous Cat Lady. Lucinda says that anyone who has been owned by cats for 80 years is understandably cantankerous. Lucinda, by the way, writes my book reviews and a cat behavior column.
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skmorrow Premium
Hi Christina,

My traffic just in the past 2 days has picked up, kind of back to where it was before the mid-July traffic drop. I started off July with hopes of hitting 100 organic sessions in one day for the first time, only to see my traffic drop to 21 organic sessions on July 23.

I don't know, but everyone believes your site is fantastic so I hate to see you move away from it. I have heard that Google puts the screws to a website around the 12 month mark or so, maybe that is what's happening to your site.

Ugh, I know it's frustrating. Last week I was ready to kick my site to the curb and move on and now I see a glimmer of hope. What a difference a few days has made for me. Hopefully I don't eat those words in the near future :)

You can see my very similar trend. This is very disheartening after 21 months.
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cld111 Premium
I'm so happy your traffic is picking back up! I'll be curious to see if it continues to go up from here. Keep me posted on that!

Even though we're in different niches, it gives me hope!

- Christina
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Chris145 Premium
From past experience I know its easy to get addicted to a process, strategy or even a product.

In my view its because of the time and effort we put into making something happen and we become resistant to change.

However, true maturity only happens through a process of tough evaluation and the readiness to make appropriate changes.

All the best
Chris
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cld111 Premium
Thanks, Chris. I think that's very true. I know I get stuck in certain patterns and even in writing the same types of articles. That's something I can change to see if it helps wake my traffic up.

- Christina
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BobMargroff Premium
Hi Christina, don't get yourself too bummed about it. I haven't made any sales at all yet. I'm still plugging away and will continue to do so regardless of sales. I know that MMO is a highly competitive niche and that - in and of itself - is my allowance of a whole lot of time to monetize.

You even said yourself in past posts and responses below that you are making some sales. Keep at it and if some of the blogs you write don't get traffic...do not worry. The traffic will come, you may have hit on a sweet spot of traffic earlier than most.

In the MMO niche, getting early traffic was good while it lasted, but may not be the end of it all if it drops off. Just wait it out and see what happens later this year...or the beginning of next year.

You will get there one day.

As always, I wish you the best!

Bob M
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cld111 Premium
Thank you so much for all of your support, Bob!

How long are you into this now? How many articles do you have? Yes, this is a competitive niche, but there has been some good advice to stick it out and outlast the competition.

Sounds like you're willing to do that.

- Christina
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BobMargroff Premium
I don’t have very many articles and the competition is even more fierce when in my position.

I spend as much time with my wife and daughter as possible so don’t write as much as I should. Oh I also have the 8 hour thing going on that takes most of my time during the day. But, I am still going to stick it out for the long haul. I’ll get there even with the competition the way it is.

I still look forward to seeing your success and know it will come together for you. Especially how much you put on your website.

Keep with it...you’ll see the success long before I do.
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JKulk1 Premium
I think that if nothing is working after you've written 50 blogs then it's time to have a closer look at the workings of your site. Get an expert from WA to look at it to see what they are think. I had Smartketeer take a look at my site and, after making adjustments, it's starting to pay off. Jim
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cld111 Premium
Oh nice! Maybe I'll contact him and see if he has any suggestions.

Thanks for that!

- Christina
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Swangirl Premium
Here are my thoughts:

"Oh no! She can't go, her site is great!" "It is just a matter of time before she is successful. It would be a terrible shame to stop now!"

Ok, now for the details. I am not in the make money online niche so I can't really compare apples to apples here. When you talk about quitting do you mean altogether or just quitting that niche and moving on to something else?

I would highly recommend you take your knowledge and start a new site rather than quit entirely. I am making sales every day now on Amazon even though I have not added a post to my primary site since May! I was requesting comments, updating old posts and added a very long post to my other site but I had not actually done much or added any content to this site in over 2 months! Traffic, rankings and sales were all down in June and July but suddenly picked up July 24 and have been going ever since. I don't know if this is an after effect of Amazon Prime Day earlier in July or a rebound from the last Google update or what.

In any case, it is much easier to get sales when you have less competition so a niche other than make money online would require less work and get you more reward. To me that sounds like a definite positive. Most of my content is evergreen and still relevant years later so it is easier to build up enough content to keep it ranking. You don't have to review the latest scam every week to stay relevant.

Unless you have a unique angle to attack the make money online world, I think a different niche is wise. Think about what you would like to share with the world, what you are interested in and then do keyword research to see how much competition there is vs. search traffic. My big, mongo 4,400 word post on my health site is stalled out and not ranking well do to so much competition in that field. The keyword I am using is supposed to be GREAT but there is a lot of competition in similar keywords that is drowning it out. I still hope it will rise up in rank someday but it is not the kind of ranking success I am used to with my other niche topics. They don't have nearly as much competition so it is easy for them to be on the first page of the SERPS and even to get into the featured snippet slot.

I hope you won't leave us! I think you can make it work. I know it would be a shame to leave your current site behind however even if you start a new one.

Jessica
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cld111 Premium
Oh no, I'm not quitting everything! No way! I love affiliate marketing so much.

I even really love this bleeping MMO niche. It's just frustrating! lol

I think I really have an urge to work on another site that I have. So, I will continue on with this one, but work on that one as well.

As you said, that should have much less competition and it's still a topic I'm passionate about and enjoy creating content for.

I'm so happy for you that you are getting consistent sales. Great job!

- Christina
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nudge1969 Premium
In my opinion Christina, I'd continue.

I reckon I changed websites about 10 times in my first few years at WA. Some of them may have become successful if I had kept at it. My persistence has been my biggest issue.

I'm at a similar stage as you in regards to an MMO site, getting similar visitor figures also. But giving up is not an option this time. I believe that 15+ months is the time that website traffic will start to rise significantly. If it's 16 or 17 months, then so be it.

Keep plugging away, even if you do start a new site. Maybe we'll make Vegas 2021!
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JohnJStanley Premium
Are you just on the 1 website now Nudge or do you still run other ones?
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nudge1969 Premium
More or less on the one website John. I have an older site with Amazon products on it but unfortunately I didn't get the 3 sales to keep the Amazon account going. I've recently signed up to Amazon again and changed all the affiliate links.

I do hope to add to this site just to keep it ticking along, but 95% of my time is on the MMO site.
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JohnJStanley Premium
Nice, focus! I need to focus too.
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cld111 Premium
Yes, that makes a lot of sense. I do keep seeing that 17 or 18 months is like the "magic" time when things start to flow.

But then others have said they've been working at it for 2 years or more and nothing's happening.

I feel more inspired to keep it up for now and see how it goes in the next couple of months.

It is making some sales, so I can't completely be bummed out.

- Christina
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lakbar12 Premium
The MMO niche is certainly tough and as far as becoming an authority in the niche I'm not sure how to accomplish that I would assume we keep going.


My traffic was the same at first but, when I started publishing literally daily I had a traffic increase but, that was just my experience. I mean you could be doing this as well.


I haven't written a book about MMO either so, I have been trying to answer questions on Quora and it seems to be increasing traffic that way as well.

Posting on Linkedin and Pinterest helps too.

Then I write a post on emails or text messages that I receive daily and post about them.

Those are the post that is driving my traffic. My traffic is up and down though, I can get as lows as 300 daily visitors to 1500 daily visitors.

Either way, I am learning you also need to internal link almost all related post, even your old ones.

I might not be an expert in the MMO niche yet but, I do consider myself an expert when it comes to being a victim to these scams. Of course, Google may see it differently.

I wouldn't give up totally, not yet. I've taken other courses and they said it can take up to 18 months or more for any real action to happen with the MMO niche.


They also said that it will seem like nothing is working and you'll want to give up but, you must push through that feeling.

Of course, if you want to start a new site, it's your choice but, don't give up on your MMO site totally. It will pay off in the end.

No one was ever an expert until they mastered it. Either way, Chistina, you're doing an amazing job...
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cld111 Premium
Thank you so much, Kisha! I really appreciate all your insights and help.

When you say, "Then I write a post on emails or text messages that I receive daily and post about them. "

Do you mean you write reviews programs that you receive via emails and text messages? Or are you sending out emails and text messages as promotions on what you're writing?

18 months does seem to be a turning point for a lot of people...

I used to write content daily, but scaled back a bit. I could try that again, but I was actually thinking of scaling back a bit more and working on another site as backup.

So I'm not sure...

I guess I could do both, but it will be tough.

- Christina
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lakbar12 Premium
sorry about that I was heading out the door when I typed the first message.

No I do not email anyone. These scammers and spammers are emailing me. Some are even texting, calling, and just the other day one mmo program sent me a post card.

So I once I receive these opportinies. I witre a post over it. Yeah you could do both. You might end up like the other site better who knows.

Its hard I know because I think about starting a parenting or mommy blog but Problem is I cant stick with a certain niche.

So I keep pushing on the MMO niche until I figure it all out. I know you'll figure things out. Dont stress...
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JohnGreg08 Premium
I've recently got my 12-month badge and I actually envy you because you got 2k visitor a month. I didn't even pierce the 200- mark. Well, I post less than once a week because I keep "renovating" my site.

In my case, I gave up on dreaming to make $2k plus a month. I observe those WA people who post their $2k+/month income are WA members for 3 years now.

Currently, I am just focusing on learning and applying the things that I have learned to my blog. Sometimes, the income is not the basis of your success.

Although I am not making money yet, I am happy because I learned the following.

1. I learned almost everything to do with Google (Adsense, Search Console, Analytics).
2. I have improved my Pinterest and Facebook Marketing skills.
3. I'm getting better on SEO
4. I'm mastering copywriting
5. I'm getting better on my content creation routine

Here is the kicker though.. I learned most of those outside WA... hmmmm But I owe WA because it jumpstarts my blogging hobby (really hoping to become a business though)

My next step for me is to do my best to get "students" on WA. I have four months left on my subscription, if still don't get at least 3 regulars then I would probably quit WA but still pursue growing my site then come back to WA once I know I built an audience that is interested with WA.

Bottom LINE is, "Don't Dwell in The Past Nor Live in The Future But Focus on Where You Can Grow Today". If you think there is still a lot of room for growth at WA then hang on and persevere. If you think there is no more room for growth at WA then explore BUT don't stop growing.

Cheers,
JG
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cld111 Premium
I like your attitude about learning and all the ways you are improving that. I'm quite sure you will do very well once you really get rolling!

- Christina
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AJTrimble1 Premium
Great stuff as always, Christina. And I owe you an apology.

I just posted my latest blog post after I received a few messages from members wanting to quit too early, and it appears you and I were tapped into the same thought stream. When I came across your post just now I panicked and thought I should say sorry... I promise I was not "poaching". lol

Seriously, I love how you added actual screenshots and statistics, something I am often lacking in.

Well done. Keep up being awesome :-)

AJ
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cld111 Premium
lol I didn't see your post yet, but now I'll go look for it. Stop tapping into my brain waves! ;)

- Christina
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AJTrimble1 Premium
Well, you know what they say... great minds think alike! lol
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cld111 Premium
That was an awesome post!

- Christina
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web58master Premium
This is normal. You are doing great. It takes a while more like a year to build traffic that converts. That is why most people turn to Traffic Builder 3.0. It does cost about 27 dollars now and there are upsells. Each that gets a better flow of traffic. It targets Reddit subscribers without getting into trouble. I hope this helps out.
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cld111 Premium
Thank you! Interesting about that product tapping into Redditors. I'm not entirely sure I want to tap into that group of people. haha

- Christina
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derekmarshal Premium
Interesting - I'm not one for social media (I really don't like it) too...."on" need to be active on social media. Reddit seems like a good passive social media to me a bit like YT and Pinterest where your vids and pins hang there.

BTW Reddit is great for Do follow links - but like Steem It it works on a votes system when you get over a certain number of votes your nofollow switches to a dofollow.

Linkedin is interesting me for the very passive reason..post hanging there...hmmm.....

Interesting! Very interesting thread going on here!

A lot of tips for us all to pick up.
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dougan24 Premium
My affiliate site is slightly younger than yours, starting my 9th month right now, but I am in the same boat as you. Nothing seems to be working.

After 9 months and about 180(~135 of them that are actually viable) or so articles, it is tough to stay motivated. And my site is completely deindexed from Bing and Yahoo to add insult to injury. The point is it can always be worse, so look on the bright side if you can.

Everyone has a different experience and needs to make the decision for themselves on how to proceed.

I am leaving WA completely when my yearly sub runs out, but if you still find value here maybe a fresh start in a new niche would be good for you.

Or maybe you can find someone who can honestly appraise your website and find what is holding your site back. I have been very unlucky when it comes to getting help here and it is the biggest reason why I am giving up.

But you seem to be very popular and there are plenty of great suggestions in these comments about how you can proceed.

If you are going to stay at WA regardless then I would keep your website. The domain authority of an 11-month-old site is not something you want to toss away. You can always change your content strategy but an aged domain is invaluable.

I imagine you are looking for actual specific help and not the standard keep going, hang in their pep talks.

So here is the place I would start. Your keywords may look great in Jaaxy(the less said the better or I'll get in trouble again), but you need to look at the first page of the SERP's and find the actual competition before you commit to the article.

The first-page SERPs for your keywords are a nightmare, at least for the couple of articles I looked at.

Then again I completely failed at this so maybe listen to one of the people that actually had some success. Hopefully, you have better luck with them than I have.

Anyway,
Best of luck
I am sure you'll figure it out
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cld111 Premium
Gosh, I'm so sorry you're struggling so much with this. I know you said that nothing is working, but what about trying a different site topic?

I'm going to be working on another site as a backup.

One of our members, Pedro, sent me some great information about EAT (Expertise, Authoritativeness and Trust), which is what Google is now looking for.

I'm going to add the links to the top of this post. They might help you?

MMO is a tough niche. I really hope you don't give up for good. Maybe just switch it up?

- Christina
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1Summer Premium
If the "biggest reason" for why you are giving up is because you have been "unlucky when it comes to getting help here," then please consider that there are perhaps many here that might empathize with you on this...you certainly sound like you have the makings of a successful affiliate marketer, so I would encourage you to perhaps re-evaluate or give it a little more time.

Best of luck to you.
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HPearson Premium
I've asked myself that many times over the past 4 years when I started my blog. It was a huge learning curve for me, I didn't even know what a plug in was. I've had lots of bumps along the way - shiny object syndrome, not following the keyword training properly, not treating my website like a business (still struggle with that one!!), walking away from my website for months at a time, writing about things that weren't relevant enough... I have another website but I'm just not motivated to work on it, my current niche is my passion. I know it's a great niche and I can't imagine writing about anything else. I realised in my case there is still so much for me to do, I couldn't give up now. I started a FB group which has helped a lot in terms of learning about my audience and what they're looking for. I wish I had thought of starting it from day one. I would say you're not doing it very long and should only give up at this point if you've lost interest. Taking a step back and seeing how much more there is for me to give, helped me realise it's not white flag waving time. Perhaps that will help you see things more clearly as well.
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cld111 Premium
Thanks for sharing your personal path. This is great and gives me a lot of encouragement.

- Christina
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SondraM Premium
I think you need a little David Goggins motivation --- this link will take you to a minute long video where he was talking to a group of Realtors.

The lady asks something to the effect, "How do you keep yourself going when your are failing. When you feel like it is time to stop."
https://youtu.be/E1N5YM5PGqE

Then I would suggest that you go back to Grace's training videos and look where she was at the 11 month mark.

Look where Tiffany was at the 11 month mark.

Look where Jerry was at the 11 month mark.

p.s. I think you have been doing great. However, I do agree with you 100% when you tell beginners that you do not recommend starting out with the MMO niche.

p.s.s. Dylan's post today is asking about his referrals or lack there of. It has been getting some awesome comments from some of the guys that have made to Vegas. It might help you also.

Bottom line - I've seen your website. Don't give up.
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cld111 Premium
I will definitely check out that video. And Dylan's post!

Thank you for your encouragement. I appreciate it!

- Christina
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MarlaineB Premium
Been there, absolutely. It's a hard decision, but trust your gut instincts. Do you think your current website has the potential to be profitable and realistically grow into something substantial (and do you have interest in putting continued effort into it), or in your heart of hearts, do you think it's possibly a "dud" niche where no matter how much work you put into it, your returns will remain minimal (ie., $0.30 sale). (The latter was my case. I'm not sure what your niche is, but yeah, not all niches are equal, nor is MMO an easy one to break into, although from what I hear, profitable once you're "in".)
Would you prefer to start over with something you feel much more confident about, using everything you've learned "the hard way" with your first site to make something else?
If so, go for it and don't look back. Let your old site just be there.... don't delete it or anything, just keep the plug ins updated and whatnot. But put all your effort into doing something awesome.
I'd advise checking out if you haven't yet before you start your next niche, if you choose to... it's gold.
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cld111 Premium
I still think the site has potential. It actually is making some money now, but the income won't grow if I can't get traffic to it! Know what I mean?

But yes, I love writing the content for it. So I don't WANT to wave the white flag. At the same time, I also need to create a more consistent income... It's just tough to figure out the right way to go...

I have seen Dylan's training. That's good stuff.

Thanks for your thoughts!

- Christina
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Strahinja1 Premium
Hey Christina. I do not think you should give up at all. Give it at least year and half or even better 2 years.

If you look for the success posts most of them came after a year and a half. Especially if you are in ultra competitive niche.

Getting Google to trust you today is harder than ever and takes time. So, write consistently, write with good intentions and informative posts.

Also, to be honest with you - you could write as up to 4 articles a month and still get tons of traffic. Take a look at http://Backlinko.com.

He is making one blog post a week and still is really doing amazing. If you would like to write once a week make sure your posts have at least 4000 words and more.

This way your mega posts will outshine many smaller posts.

That is thing here. You could be getting much more traffic with your 40 pots than someone with 100 posts (with 1000 words per each post.)

Also, another perspective. My previous blog had 37 posts and I did not edit it in like more than a 6 months. Most of my posts were 1000 words.
And guess what, now this blog IS STILL GETTING VISITORS every day. Just because it is old enough and no matter the lenght of my posts.

So, do not get discouraged if you are doing a good job. Results will come. THEY MUST.

Keep your head up.

Your fellow affiliate marketer.

Strahinja.
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cld111 Premium
Thank you very much, this is a great perspective! I do enjoy the Backlinko website, and I always look at the advice and information on there.

He only does 4 articles a month, but they're all super informative and in-depth. He has a whole team of people helping him!

But I understand what you're saying about making less posts, but super high quality.

- Christina
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derekmarshal Premium
"Also, to be honest with you - you could write as up to 4 articles a month and still get tons of traffic. Take a look at http://Backlinko.com."

Yay

Both Brain Dean And Jon Morrow blog about once a month but the caveat is....

...they both work like beasts and publish like crazy off sites with guest posts. Brian Dean wrote something like 64 posts on Backlink in 5 years and 300 guest posts in the opening 3 years!.

Neil Patel done something similar. Jon Morrow is a huge proponent of Guest Blogging.

As Ryan Biddulph (Blogging From Paradise).

Conclusion. If you are blogging little on your site you better be doing something to generate some kind of signals from authority sites to your sites. Despite a lack of activity on the sites mentioned those guys are highly active ---on other peoples blogs..
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kenhawley Premium
Hello Christina! I am new to WA and I know nothing of internet, SEO etc. But I do know something about business and life.

In the short time that I have been here, your tenacity, your positive attitude and you smile has been a joy to me.

I would say that when a project or a situation gets too overwhelming, before throwing in the towel, step back for a minute. catch your breath, find everything in your life that you can be grateful for. For the love of your two beautiful children, for the air that we have to breath, for the shelter we have and the food that we eat. For Gods peace that is always there underneath any noise or confusion. Do whatever you do to go back to that peace, that love, and rest there for awhile.

Then after that, take a fresh look and evaluate your situation. Perhaps put a small or comfortable amount of effort in deciding what to do with your current niche. Perhaps find another niche that you love and do some work on that while letting your current website set for awhile.

Don't give up on it yet. You love that niche and we all know that its a good one, though probably one of the most competitive. Let it mature while starting a new niche that you love and that comes natural for you.

I don't really know the answer, but I know you can and will find it.

Take care. Ken
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cld111 Premium
Aw, thanks so much Ken. Your words are truly comforting and inspiring. I appreciate that.

(You're a great writer! You're going to do very well...) :)

- Christina
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Brenda63 Premium
Where is the dislike button? Christina, my heart breaks for you.

I am in the MMO niche. I decided to be different. My approach in writing my blog will be different from the way other WA are told to do from the OEC and Affiliate Bootcamp course.

The reason is because I am seeing a trend through Google that WA bloggers are writing to promote WA affiliate program and encouraged to say WA is the best number one recommendation.

Similar to the articles you have written on your MMO site. I am not going that way. My content will be my own unique selling proposition. Set my site apart from the masses, because its now over saturated with many of us wanting to do WA as number one recommended program. Its true it is to a point but its not for everyone.

My thoughts are to start over make a new site then link the site to the older articles? Or Rewrite, make it your own unique selling proposition. Rank for better keywords use schema mark up plug in. Its not true that it takes longer to rank. There are other SEO plug ins. For my theme I use RankMath. I am testing it out. So far I like it. My goal from the beginning was not to copy the same thing other WA bloggers in MMO are doing.

Tiffany, our Ambassador and Trainer on WA did her own unique selling proposition and its effective. I learned from her. And it took her 17 months a lot of tweaking and branding. My approach is to brand myself. Establish myself as a brand that would be your own unique selling point. I researched about branding you because after all people buy from who they know and can trust so branding you business is what helps you to create your own niche in MMO.

I am using a theme that works best for SEO not Generate Press. Its Schema and Splash. I plan to have 2 sites. One MMO the other is my specific niche. The specific niche is what Im more focused on. No Amazon. Google those themes.

I am encouraging you don't give up. If I was in your shoes, I would start over and improve my brand so I can get my face out there like you have done. Your site is in your name, its your brand, make it as such, be creative. I learned that from Tiffany. Shes good at that. Feel free to connect with her if you want.
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cld111 Premium
Thanks for your thoughts, Brenda! I definitely get a lot of great advice from Tiffany, and I see what she's doing on her site and what's working for her.

Jay also mentioned that branding is important, and I've been working on that.

I like how you're doing things different. I do promote WA as my #1 recommendation, but I also promote many other things.

But you have a good point. I may not stand out from anyone else because we're all kind of doing the same thing.

Something to think about for sure...

- Christina
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laparra1 Premium
Good afternoon Christine,

2 and a half year into this adventure a white flag is out of the question for me. Earning money never was my main focus, I wanted to get the news out there, the news I thought was important sharing.
My 2 sister sites represent too much work, sweat, and tears that I would not continue with them.
I can understand your frustration but 11 months is not that long. I would set an 18 months goal and then reconsider. Keep smiling!

Greetings from the south of Spain, Taetske
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cld111 Premium
That's good advice to at least keep going until 18 months. I know that seems to be a turning point for a lot of people.

It's just that if I invest all my time into this, and it still doesn't get anywhere, then I'm really stuck. Eek.

- Christina
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laparra1 Premium
Good Morning Christina,

Why would you be stuck? I bet you will have learned loads of new things which might have shown you the way to take. I think it is all about evolution. Often in life things will cross your path when the time is ripe.

Greetings from the south of Spain, Taetske
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GlenPalo Premium
Not knowing what niche you are in, not that it matters, but industry and niche trends could impact your visitor counts. Has the competition increased?

Other questions to ponder is whether your niche is cyclical and what is the duration of the cycle. Or is the niche seasonal?

Just a thought or two.
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cld111 Premium
Well, I'm in MMO (I promote Wealthy Affiliate mostly), and so there is a lot of competition.

But great questions to ponder. Thank you!

- Christina
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TCH60 Premium
At 5 months in, I'm still looking at a flat line graph on my Analytics page. That creates a lot of doubt for me, so I can only imagine what you are feeling Christina with 11 months of work + traffic to your site with no results in your bank account.

I don't know what kind of background you came into this career with, but affiliate marketing definitely has a long learning curve, and requires a lot of patience it seems, to finally be rewarded.

Some of us are "all in" with this new venture, but some of us may have our fingers in more than one thing, and may have choices which would allow them to abandon whatever isn't working.

Not much advice for you I'm afraid, but I hope you find your way soon!

All the best,
Tom
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cld111 Premium
Thanks, Tom. I wish you well with your site. I hope you get that analytics page going soon!

I am "all in" on this, so I have to make something work...!

- Christina
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jacod Premium
I'm going to recommend something I heard from GaryVee from one of his Instagram posts.
==> Stop worrying about how many likes(views,traffic) you get and start focusing on the value you offer every day.<==

Offering value should be your main focus and only focus. Checking your traffic is effecting your mindset in a way you don't need or want.

It is all about serving. Keep offering solutions(reviews, or whatever you write about) to peoples problems, questions etc.

I know you probably heard that thousands of times, but there is a reason, because it works every time.

Adding strategies like Pinterest or YouTube Videos(highly recommended) which send people back to your articles can help a lot over time.

This is crunch time. You can't stop now when things get hard. It's when things get tough, that is when you need to even go harder.

Patience will go a long way.
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cld111 Premium
Thank you. This is SUPER helpful. (Also, I love Gary Vee. Even though he's a maniac.)

I want to stop looking at my numbers. They make me insane...

- Christina
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TonyMonzon Premium
hi Christina,
I don't see nothing wrong with starting a make money online business. Actually the finance, health and relationship niches are great places to start. You need to consider many factors like:
Domain Authority
Quality of Content
Amount of Content
SEO
There are many people in WA making money in that department.
Talk to LittleMama or Nathaniell, maybe they can check out your website.
Whatever you do, don't delete the website. I've done that and regret it.
Best wishes;0)
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cld111 Premium
Thank you! I won't delete the site. I just don't know if it's worth continuing to invest all my time and money into it.

- Christina
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BenjisDad Premium
I've been there. Just keep plugging along. Hard to hear, but it's all you have control over.

I had a low point about 9 months into my site where I lost 75% of my traffic Because of a Google change.

I just kept writing new content. The site still makes me a couple Grand a month a year or so later.
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cld111 Premium
Thanks so much, Chris! This is really helpful. Gives me some hope. :)

- Christina
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afforo Premium
Hello Christina,
I think you should know when it is time to move on. Maybe you need confirmation. There are artists who work hard without making any money. There are people who go to school for 2 or more years before starting to make money. This is hard work here at WA but the question you should be asking yourself is "do i love this thing enough to continue?". Best of luck and whatever you decide will be the right thing for you.
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cld111 Premium
Thanks for that thought. I do love this work.

- Christina
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kevin928 Premium
I really hope its a rut that you'll come flying out of and the numbers will pick up. Selfishly as well as I'm 3 months (and lots of hours!) in to my mmo site!

Thing is you are asking questions of the right people here and those that are making a success of the niche so there must be something somewhere although no idea what.

But like everthing there comes a point where you have to draw a line under and move on.

Be really inerested to see how other peoples sites were at 11 months with a similar amount of posts. Those who made it to Vegas last year for example. Was traffic all organic, were they doing something different.

Easy for me to say but stay positive. I feel a bit like that with my niche site as my ideas for articles have dried up and I'm not monetising it. Hence why I'm focusing on the new MMO one for the next few months and just adding a post a week on the niche one.

Really hope you get some motivational responses and more importantly some that will give you the confidence that you will succeed.

Kev
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cld111 Premium
Thanks so much, Kev! I have looked at other sites from the Super Affiliates, and they all had way more traffic at this point. (Well, that's easy since I barely have traffic!)

For instance, I think I looked at Grace's numbers and in her 10th month I think she had over 10k visitors per month.

I know most of them use organic traffic.

I hope your MMO site does better than mine! I would definitely think of using YouTube.

- Christina
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lamarkgroup Premium
In the ocean we call the Internet a piece of advice Warren Buffett has to share is,
“Should you find yourself in a chronically leaking boat, energy devoted to changing vessels is likely to be more productive than energy devoted to patching leaks.”
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cld111 Premium
That's a good quote that I will think about for sure...

- Christina
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RAFStuart Premium
Just try to look at using social media, if you haven't already, in other words try different angles and avenues, have built a decent list?
Just a few ideas,
Stuart
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cld111 Premium
Thanks Stuart. I do use social media, but probably not enough. I have to get back to YouTube videos. I use Facebook and Twitter but they're not going anywhere... I don't have enough followers at this point. Story of my life! haha

- Christina
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RAFStuart Premium
Am trying Pinterest at the moment, but hit a brick wall today, it keeps me young. lol
If you need a chat do pm more than happy to try to help, also want to get earning serious money.
Take care,
Stuart
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cld111 Premium
We'll get this, Stuart!

- Christina
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RAFStuart Premium
We sure will two fighting are better than one,
Take dare,

Stuart
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Talk2Ray Premium
Hi Christina. I agree that at some point we have to review and revise. Something you did, in the beginning, clicked when people started visiting your site. Have you looked at your competition to get ideas so that you can find ways to improve?
I do have one site that I have let idle for some time while I am working on another but I just can't seem to give up on it yet.
Hope you find an answer.
Ray
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cld111 Premium
Hey Ray! I do look at the competition often to see if I'm close to what they're doing and what I can do better. I don't know. I think the sites that are ranking just have more authority, I guess?

- Christina
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Talk2Ray Premium
You might want to check AJ's recent post it has a lot of info that might help you make a good choice.
Ray
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cld111 Premium
Oh yes, I meant to go look at that. Thanks for reminding me!

- Christina
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zidane786 Premium
In the same boat as you, I am about to pull the trigger on a blackhat campaign as a last resort to jump-start my MMO site. I feel kinda lucky that I started with non MMO site which has been far better, it gives me something to fall back on.

I agree with your last sentiment, I would advise anyone against getting into the MMO niche, it's just way too competitive and Google is definitely making it harder to rank these sites.
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cld111 Premium
Google is absolutely killing us these days. I hope that campaign works out for you... let us know!

- Christina
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Jaz333 Premium
I'm sorry you're experiencing this, I'm sure it's difficult. Instead of "waving the white flag," maybe you should have your site evaluated by Jay or someone else with some good SEO talents and see if they can point out what the issues might be.

At 11 months in, you've put in a considerable amount of work and energy into the site. I would try every avenue and fix every little issue before considering a different niche, especially if this is a topic you're super passionate about.

That's just my 2 cents.

I really hope things work out for you and your site!
All the best, Shannon
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cld111 Premium
Thank you for this, Shannon! I keep thinking about Jay's coaching program, but then it's just more money into something that may or may not work out...

- Christina
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sherlock77 Premium
The traffic on both my MMO sites sucks and it seems to get worse every month. I put 4 years into one site, but no more, and the same with the second. There's no point putting energy into something that's going backwards. You're better off focusing on your niche site.
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cld111 Premium
Sorry to hear that, Darren! This can be a frustrating business, for sure.

- Christina
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amhil23 Premium
Yep it's sucking right now, traffic seems to constantly be decreasing for me too. I'm probably gonna slow down on the production for my bootcamp site and work another website at the same time that'll hopefully be less competitive and profitable sooner.

At this point focusing on the mmo niche isn't the greatest because the updates by Google seem to constantly be dragging us down. This is why it's probably in our best intrests to work on a slightly less competitive niche whilst and updating the mmo site less regularly.
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TCH60 Premium
I think you've hit a key point - have we chosen a highly competitive niche to throw all our time into??

If so, we're fighting an uphill battle towards the top 10 rankings, and 1st page of Google searches.
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amhil23 Premium
Yeah it's definitely a highly competitive niche, you've got to put in a lot more work than other niches to bare the fruits of your labour.

I've been going really hard for the last year or so (right now I'm on 281 posts) and at one point I was on a constant upwards trajectory however, since the June update my website seems like it's getting worse every month.

I wouldn't suggest you give up on it but I would definitely recommend dabbling in another niche that's got as much potential as the MMO niche but less competition.
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cld111 Premium
I was thinking of making this my strategy too. Slow down a little on the MMO site and work on a different one that's less competitive.

- Christina
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DaveSw Premium
Perhaps a shift in how you approach the niche will be more effective. I mean by this using other channels for traffic i.e. social platforms that are congruent with your overall business plan.

You may have to go back and reevaluate your overall business plan and methods and messages you are using. They all need to tie together, and each piece of content can support and refer the reader to that message(s)...

It might be good to get an objective analysis of your overall business operation and have that person provide some advice. You can take it or leave it, but it might be just the ticket...

The MMO niche is not so easy to attack, and it is so broad that it may pay to further narrow the focus somewhat to one means of MMO...

There are many ways other than affiliate marketing too that can complement one another. Some niches span several market segments, i.e. training, or tools that are used by all online marketers...

I wish you luck, after 11 months of work, it may just be some tweaking that is required to make it all take off. Most certainly you can go back and edit the content a bit to have it point to whatever direction you decide to go, no sense wasting all that work...

Cheers!
Dave : )
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nathaniell Premium
I agree with Dave here. Keep the site. Re-evaluate your business plan.

I'll also add, think about what part of your business you actually enjoy, and focus on that.
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cld111 Premium
Thanks so much, Dave! This gives me a lot to think about and ways I can maybe narrow my focus a bit.

I do use social media some, but not enough and I know I can improve with that.

- Christina
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cld111 Premium
Well, I love writing. I actually enjoy doing reviews. I have been doing that. But it's not getting me very far at this point. I'll just keep plugging away at it...

- Christina
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derekmarshal Premium
Like Winston Churchill put it "We Shall Never Surrender!"
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sherlock77 Premium
Quitting a site that isn't working isn't surrender. It's smart. otherwise you just end up wasting a lot of time and energy and suffering burn out on something that's going backwards. That's just demoralising.

Better to change battle tactics and find something that's more successful.
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kenhawley Premium
Hello Christina! I am new to WA and I know nothing of internet, SEO etc. But I do know something about business and life.

In the short time that I have been here, your tenacity, your positive attitude and you smile has been a joy to me.

I would say that when a project or a situation gets too overwhelming, before throwing in the towel, step back for a minute. catch your breath, find everything in your life that you can be grateful for. For the love of your two beautiful children, for the air that we have to breath, for the shelter we have and the food that we eat. For Gods peace that is always there underneath any noise or confusion. Do whatever you do to go back to that peace, that love, and rest there for awhile.

Then after that, take a fresh look and evaluate your situation. Perhaps put a small or comfortable amount of effort in deciding what to do with your current niche. Perhaps find another niche that you love and do some work on that while letting your current website set for awhile.

Don't give up on it yet. You love that niche and we all know that its a good one, though probably one of the most competitive. Let it mature while starting a new niche that you love and that comes natural for you.

I don't really know the answer, but I know you can and will find it.

Take care. Ken
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cld111 Premium
He has good quotes! :) Thanks for this. And I saw your other message and I will respond to it in a little.

- Christina
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cld111 Premium
Yes, that's what I was thinking...

- Christina
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