Bad Members - Taking Advantage of WA Members

Last Update: May 20, 2018

I was really in shock the other day when I noticed some Ambassadors and other members were promoting their sites and the sites are not even hosted with Wealthy Affiliate.

These Ambassadors are on here giving other members advice yet their own main sites are hosted with some other service?

If you want to ever check to see if a member you are following to get advice from is actually using the system here are the steps.

First Step:


Again feel free to pick out any of the other lookup tools in the search results.

Second Step:


Just type in the domain you want to look at and hit search.

Third Step:


If it doesn't say hosted by Amazon with the name servers ns1.mywahosting.com then they are not using the Wealthy Affiliate system.

I feel like these people who are not using the system are wolf's in sheep's clothing getting visitors to their sites only to sell them. I can understand to a point using it for traffic but when I see them giving advice and they aren't using the system for their sites that they are promoting I call into question their integrity.

I am sure some people might have other opinions but I won't be supporting these people who don't actually use the system themselves.

To be honest I can't even understand why they wouldn't switch their sites to WA to be truly part of the group.

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Skydancer1 Premium
One of the ways new online business owners can learn about how good they have it here in WA, is to use another service in addition to WA. It provides an honest perspective as to what is legit and what is bogus in this industry.

We are taught in the training to write reviews, well sometimes and I have seen several myself, people write reviews about another hosting service as a comparison to WA. The best way to be legit about what you promote is to have the actual experience of using the service you are either promoting or comparing.

I have in the past used other services and I would and probably will again, just to get a good perspective on a few things I am still learning about in this industry. Transfering sites, backups, what fees are associated with the service and so on. Many things can be learned from another service.

WA Ambassadors have made the commitment to make WA their home most likely, to stay in that top 25 takes work, And I know many of them have been doing this a long time with some great experience to share, including using other services. Learning from what have have experienced is a golden opportunity, and one of the many perks here at WA. Pay it forward.

Wealthy Affiliate provides us with many great tools and a great hosting option, but certainly are not the only good service online. Folks use other services for a variety of reasons, that does not make them dishonest or un trustworthy. Infact I look on it as a way to show how legit they are since they share their knowledge with the community

I have no issue with someone not being hosted here and trying to help others. I may be in the minority but that's just my opinion

Thanks for the information

Take Care
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ChrisLJones Premium
Great input - my post was targeted at people promoting sites outside wealthy affiliate network.
I think a new user to Wealthy Affiliate should have the resources avail to see how someone else is conducting their business if receiving advice from them.
If someone is looking to them for mentoring and only to come to find out that someone is using Shopify instead of the Wealthy Affiliate system do you think that is fair to the new person?
Making people believe that your using the system when in fact, not is not right in my opinion.
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Skydancer1 Premium
I see your point,

However just because someone uses another service and promotes that doesn't really make them a bad member. They have a membership here to use as they see fit for their own business. If they can share experience regardless of what service they use, shouldn't be an issue.
Now if they are asking someone to buy from them or to profit from it in the process that could be a different situation, but that behavior is forbidden here

That being said, If someone is uncomfortable with another person's advice because they may or may not be hosted here that is certainly their choice.

Also, they very well could be using the service with a site or many that they do not have listed on their profile. For example, I have 9 Domains- Only 2 listed on my profile, so you have no idea what my other sites are.

I am also an affiliate of another hosting company and many members here are. Does that mean I am not legit because I may promote another service?, No way !! I won't promote it here at WA and that may be the difference you are referring to.

It is all part of learning about this industry, what is good form and what is not.

Cheers
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ChrisLJones Premium
Thanks for commenting and I see where people are coming from to a point.

I just have met a lot of great people on this site. I see a lot of people on their last dollar and some have lost jobs like I have in the past.

I just want them to have the best opportunity and not have the wool pulled over their eyes.

Chris
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Loes Premium
They have their reasons to host outside WA, some services are not allowed here. That doesn't mean that they can not advice people correctly. You should ask them first, for their reason, before putting up a blog about this, you are not oblidged to host your sites at WA of purchase your domain name here.
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ChrisLJones Premium
I agree there could be reasons. The ones I saw were promoting and advertising their business on here is the only reason I pointed it out to be able to check to see if they are using the system or not.
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DEversley Premium
Hi Chris. Good observation but while they should not be promoting their sites, people host with other providers for different reasons.

Some may simply need more space, the ability to create and have control over their hosting package via a cPanel.

e.g.
to create databases for other programs that integrate with the website
1 Click Applications
1-Click Installers
SSH Access
Choice of Data Center
Unlimited Disk Space, Bandwidth, and Email
cPanel...

It goes much deeper than that.
I have several sites hosted with others but I love Site Rubix if I have to keep it simple. For affiliate marketing, all that we need is here in WA but for more complex requirements for clients, then elsewhere is good too. It all depends...

David
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ChrisLJones Premium
David,

Great comment and the post wasn't directed at anyone using it for any of the above reason's you pointed out. I was just informing new Wealthy Affiliates that might not have experience building websites to check.

Thanks,
Chris
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BeauAndNik Premium
I have some sites hosted elsewhere. In fact, I have by far outgrown my WA hosting supply and have more sites hosted outside of WA. ( I have over 60 sites myself. I also host and manage sites for clients).

Does that make me have any less value here than yourself?
Does that make me a wolf in sheeps clothing?
Does that make my advice sinister?
Does this give me malicious intent?

You have it all twisted and believe it or not you are having a negative impact on this community by spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt), like you are in a post like this.

Where someone hosts has no relevance to integrity. Hosting, websites etc are TOOLS. WA is an educational platform that has many tools.
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ChrisLJones Premium
Not a problem that you have some sites hosted elsewhere. Do you promote your other sites on your WA profile? So you have 25 sites with WA are those the ones you're promoting on here?
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BeauAndNik Premium
You post has more content about people hosting outside of WA than it does about self promotion.

Look at the replies, they are all talking about your issue with hosting.

I dont promote any of my sites on my profile.

There is a place I can add links to my sites or social profiles, and I have done that, but im not actively promoting it here. No point selling WA to people in WA.
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ChrisLJones Premium
I never pointed out anyone and I never looked at your profile so I have no idea about you personally. I just pointed out how people can check if the person they are looking to for advice is using the system or not.
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BeauAndNik Premium
Again, how does checking if someone is hosting here validates their advice?
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ChrisLJones Premium
Let's say someone is advising a new member on how to do things. The new member checks out that members profile because they are giving them great advice.
They visit the sites promoted on the profile. They see this gorgeous site built and think wow they did all this with the wealthy affiliate system. The advising member says they can do it to its easy.
Only to come to find out the member giving advice on Wordpress and the Wealthy Affiliate System built a site with Shopify.
Is this fair to the new members? To get their dreams and hopes up?
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BeauAndNik Premium
If the advice they are giving is based on wordpress experience then I see no issue.

If they were saying you can build a site exactly like mine, yet the theme they are using is only for shopify then I guess there would be an issue.

If the person looking at the profile makes assumptions of how they built that site WITHOUT asking first then thats purely on them.. Never make assumptions... Always ask questions
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ChrisLJones Premium
If I was new I would assume it was built with Wealthy Affiliates system no need to ask. Just my 2 cents.
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BeauAndNik Premium
if the site was beautiful and beyond your current skills wouldnt you ask? Especially being new? Or would you just struggle in silence?
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littlemama Premium Plus
You've been here for 2 months and you're accusing members of being "bad" because they don't host here when they are telling others to do so?

There are MANY reasons why people don't host here. For example, myself, I started my site just before I found WA, and have multiple sites before I started here.

I've always been hesitant transferring my main site over because I don't want any disruption in my traffic and the longer I don't transfer the more I didn't want to transfer or mess up anything.

You also don't know what other sites these members have or host here that you have no idea about. I have my main site not hosted here but have 3 others here, did you know about them? Doubt it.

Before you accuse members of being anything, don't be so quick to judge and find more the reasons behind it first.
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ChrisLJones Premium
I wasn't pointing you out specifically. To be honest I hadn't even checked out your profile. Do you have links on your WA profile pointing to your sites outside WA?
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littlemama Premium Plus
It doesn't matter, I'm giving you an example so you don't accuse people of not doing what they "should" or "should not" do. No, I don't link anything to my businesses on here. You can find it in your research if you're in my niche.

You're talking about people's businesses, they can host anywhere they want.
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ChrisLJones Premium
Fine _ I had moved all my sites to WA affiliate when I joined. I had looked at a profile and it seemed odd they were promoting their site throughout and noticed it wasn't on WA servers non of their sites were. That is all I wrote about I picked out no one in particular - I just showed people how they can check to see who they are following and if that person and how their using the system
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littlemama Premium Plus
Your time is better used building your own business instead of getting into other people's business you have no idea about. Did you even ask that person why they don't host here instead of just blogging openly like this and saying members here are "bad" like the way you did just because they don't host here? You took ONE example and you say we are all "Bad members - taking advantage of WA members" because we don't host here yet we promote WA's platform.

You don't even need to go through so many steps to find out people's hosting, just one WHOIS search is all you need to look at where a domain is hosted.
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ChrisLJones Premium
Ummm I didn't say you were all bad members. I'm sorry you took it personally. In fact, I have met a lot of great people on here. I just warned that "some" might not have the best intentions.

My thought is it is misleading to new members if they see a site by a member who is at the top. It's misleading that none of their sites are hosted here at WA. As newbies join they see these members sites thinking they can do a particular design or action after seeing the other site.
Here is a for example:
If I am a new member and I see a store that another member that's been here longer than me and think wow they did all this with the Wealthy Affiliate system I am going to build one like theirs. Going through the courses and experimenting with WordPress. Only to come to find out that member that had been here longer is using Shopify not WordPress to make the site.
A lot of great people who sign up on Wealthy Affiliate have signed up because they have lost a job or very low on money hoping to supplement it. I think it is only fair that they know how and where a site is built. If I was new I would think everyone here is using Wealthy Affiliates system. Heck, to be honest, I didn't think there would be this many people complaining it has me really wondering how many actually use the Wealthy Affiliates system.
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littlemama Premium Plus
You need to look at your title and your post again. I'm repeating exactly what I read which is bad members are taking advantage of other members because they promote their sites here without having them being hosted on the WA platform. I also didn't say that you're calling all members bad. You're saying members are bad if they don't host here because we are being misleading so yes, you're speaking to me in this post.

WA is not a "system" - it's a training platform with tools we can choose to take advantage of if it is useful in our businesses. The WA platform is about the training, my main selling point is always the training because without it, you can host your 50 sites here and then earn nothing because you don't know how to get traffic to your site, know how to use keywords, know what to write, how to use affiliate links, etc.

Where a site is hosted is nowhere near why a site is successful.

WA teaches affiliate marketing and there are no trainings here as of today for shops and ecommerce sites. Jay did a webinar about using Woocommerce to build an affiliate store using WP, that's about it, there are no main training focused on ecommerce here. So if members are linking to their online shops on their profile, you consider this misleading too because the training here doesn't teach e-commerce? I think your post would make more sense if you pointed this out instead.

Why a site is successful is because the site owner works day and night to put content on their site with all the techniques taught in the training.

Where a site is hosted is hardly an indication of whether the "WA system" works or not.
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ChrisLJones Premium
Yes the WA system is a training platform designed about Wordpress and the systems here on WA.

I agree hosting isn't the only thing that makes a website successful. Hosting is the starting foundation.

Do new members not have the right to know how a site is built?

Or is it ok to leave them in the dark?

Didn't I just warn them an apple might be an apple to check and make sure?
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littlemama Premium Plus
Wow, I'm no longer giving this anymore of my time and energy.
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