An Update Concerning Google and A Lot of Frustration

Last Update: February 26, 2019

I just found out some bad news concerning Google and SEO. And it effects a lot of us. Have you ever heard of Google's "Medic" Update 2018 concerning SEO? If you are in the Health and Wellness niche and the Finance niche, then this effects you!

It seems that people in these niches (including me) will have a serious problems getting their websites ranked high with Google. Google calls these sites, "Your money or your life" websites because it is your money or possibly your life if you rely on these types of websites for help.

Google says that content writers of these type of sites need to be in the category, E.A.T. (Expertise, Authority, and Trust). Meaning people who write content for their websites must be experters in these areas, have Authority, and have Trust. In other words, you must be physicians, nurses, nutritionalist, financial advisors with education and experience in the finance area.

People with these types of qualifications will have top ranking with Google while people who don't have expertise in these areas will be like bottom dwells hoping to get the best rankings.

Please don't message me saying I don't know what I am talking about nor am I ignorant because I am just giving out the info.

I am very pissed because I have been working my butt off writing top-quality content for my weight loss/belly fat website and it seems because of this I am doing it all in vain.

It is suggested that from the beginning we shouldn't have even considered these type of websites/blogs if we are not experts in these niches.

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TeriCalhoun Premium Featured Comment
Don't sweat it. I never put too much stock in seo in the first place. There are thousands of people building websites these days and I don't care how unique your niche is I just don't see how many of us are going to be ranked high enough to be seen on traditional search engines anyway. Your best bet is Pinterest, Facebook and YouTube. And they are wrong by the way. It is the mavericks who have made the real advances in medicine. Thank you for the blog idea. Let's see how long it takes the AMA to catch up with the regenerative and integrative medicine practitioners that are enlightening us about stem cell therapy. There's a good chance your own doctor doesn't even know anything about it. I have an appointment coming up, routine exam. Think I will ask him.

This is a great opportunity to mention this. For those who do Keto, the diet that recommends eating fat as 70% of your diet, I just read a report that when we eat too much fat our gall bladder dumps bile into our intestines and researchers now believe that this may be the cause of colorectal cancer and leaky gut. Also, powdered turmeric is not easily absorbed by the body. In order for it to be more bioavailable to the body it needs to have black pepper added to it, a healthy fat such as coconut oil and to be heated, otherwise it doesn't make it past the liver and into the bloodstream where it can get to and benefit all the cells of the body. When it gets stuck in the liver and gall bladder it can cause problems with your gall bladder. You don't want that because the gallbladder is necessary to break down fats. If google is going to limit ranking people on the topic of natural medicine they should recognize those who research things in the lab not the practitioners because they basically do what the labs and pharmaceutical salesmen tell them to do in my opinion based on my observation and experiences.
Pardon me for getting carried away.
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Barney44 Premium
Well said!
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Barley1 Premium
I just put out an article by an expert which I quoted saying to use have at least 80% of good fat in your diet daily. Some of the things I put in my post are from my own experience and what has worked for me.

Danny
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TeriCalhoun Premium
See, you don't know what to believe which is why google has done what they did probably. Could you private message me that link?
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RussellO1 Premium
You are so right.
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DaveAsprey Premium
You didn't get carried away. Great information that I got a lot out of.
Cheers
Dave
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Swangirl Premium
I absolutely agree!!!! I have had to learn on my own for years since regular doctors couldn't/wouldn't help me. They said I would have to take immune suppressing drugs and I would have no other option. I don't take them and never will. One of the "side effects" is leukemia! My Dad died of leukemia, does anyone really think taking a drug that causes it would be smart for me!!!

I have discovered that many of my problems are due to nutrient deficiencies such as Magnesium, Vit D etc. These are very common. In fact the majority of Americans have dangerously low levels of many common nutrients. This is due to overuse of soil in modern, industrial agriculture and many other factors such as pollution, stress, medicines, poor diet etc. Heart disease is the number one killer of women in the U.S. This is interesting because lack of magnesium causes heart disease and most of us don't get enough. Magnesium needs to be in balance with calcium in order for the heart to beat correctly. Women were told for decades to take calcium but usually never took extra magnesium to go with it. That imbalance can cause hardening of the arteries, high blood pressure, heart arrhythmia and other more dangerous forms of heart disease.

Calcium allows muscles to contract. Magnesium allows them to relax. For the heart to pump, you need both in the proper balance (more magnesium than calcium). When my Dad took magnesium on my recommendation he was able to stop taking nitroglycerine pills for his heart! The heart specialists admitted it would help after he told them he was already taking it, but they never offered that information in the first place. Drug companies cannot make big profits on natural vitamins and minerals because they can't patent them, therefore they push their pharmaceuticals...where the money is. Most problems can be treated with these basic building blocks of life that we all need but are not getting enough of.

I could go on all day with other examples...like the fact I recently learned that nutrient deficiencies can cause cataracts...the doctors just tell you to get cataract surgery...which is the most common surgery in the U.S. Medicine is an industry here, all about making profit.

My website about nutrients and deficiency is in this boat with those that are being penalized with this update so I have strong feelings about the subject!

Jessica
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TeriCalhoun Premium
We know that adipose tissue, more commonly known as fat, has stem cells in it, but do the stem cells survive the digestive process? How does cooking fat effect them? I'm pretty sure that the scientist extracting stem cells from fat to use in therapy are not cooking the fat before they do it. On the other hands, I remember a movie call Lorenzo's oil where this child had Muscular diystropyh or muscular sclerosis, don't remember, but the US medical community could not tell the child's parents what they could do to heal their child so they sat out on a quest of their own and discovered that the child's problem was a deficiency of oleic acid, which is an oil. But honestly Danny I just don't see how that much fat could be healthy. You would be so satisfied that you wouldn't want to eat any vegetables and fruits. My neighbor just got out of the hospital with a potassium deficiency because she wasn't eating any vegetables or fruits. Anyway, carbohydrates are what cause non alcoholic fatty liver, not eating fats. The thing is we should never eat more of anything than we can use and metabolize because that's when we get in trouble, don't you think?
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Swangirl Premium
I see you were writing about deficiencies here as I was too!
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MAXINEG Premium
That's the game changer, your personal experiences.

No one can take that away from YOU.

Marketed properly you can be an authority in your health niche.

When you speak on ways you have dealt with your medical issues using natural medicine, your content will outrank the so called experts.

Most of them( so called experts) are just waiting for fresh info to steal and make it their own. This happens quite often

Because they have Dr attached to their name does that make their words golden?

I don't think so.

Some of them as I said before steal info from the little man and step on his head to reach the top. You must embrace that this happens.

Don't be afraid there is room at the top for you. Regardless of EAT, be YOU and SHINE.

Make your day a great one.

Blessings always
Maxine
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Barley1 Premium
Thank you Maxine, you are totally right. I appreciate your comments and be blessed.

Danny
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TeriCalhoun Premium
I agree with everything you just said, in fact I'm not sure if this is your comment or mine. lol. But all the greats in alternative medicine are now being proven right and AMA doctors are even beginning to embrace alternative medicine and even taking credit for it. How many doctors have I heard actually give credit to their patients for opening their eyes to the value of micro nutrients? Several in fact.
Personally, I wish the FDA would regulate vitamins. Then the health insurance companies would pay for them and the really good ones are usually expensive at 50 to 100 bucks a bottle. True health is still a luxury of the rich even with the affordable care act in place. The beauty of this program is that we can all be wealthy potentially. Things are changing and the youth are stepping up and making these changes and the public is becoming more informed and demanding them. I really believe that we are very close to the fulfillment of the Lord's prayer: "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." Access to the internet is making it damn near impossible for anyone to fool anyone else for very long.
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MAXINEG Premium
Yes, Danny. I am in the health niche and I will continue to write quality content to help my readers.

After I was diagnosed with severe glaucoma, diabetes, hypertension and arthritis, I learned how to manage and maintain them using prescription and natural medicines.

I haven't presented the details of my
health journey in my website as yet.
Sometime soon I plan to do so.

Don't you think my readers would like to know how I use moringa, golden seal, green papaya, turmeric and garlic for positive light?

No matter what I plan to fight forward because my health and others depend on these messages.

Blessings always
Maxine
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TeriCalhoun Premium
You are such a blessing to this community Maxine.
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Swangirl Premium
Yes. I pay an absolute fortune on supplements. I have great insurance but they aren't covered. It can be $500 per month between myself, my husband and our pets. Produce is really expensive here too so eating healthy is a challenge.
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Swangirl Premium
I agree with everything you said about food, medicine etc. Teri, but I have to disagree about getting seen on the search results. I did a post here yesterday about my latest website post that went straight to #1 on Yahoo and Bing and #2 on Google. It is still there today. I have many posts that have reached #1. It is entirely possible if we follow the training here.
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TeriCalhoun Premium
I saw that! Sometimes it's nice to be wrong. lol
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Swangirl Premium
Yes. Thanks!!
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mrschippy Premium
yep - one of my sites suffered from this a while back. My top 3 rankings got jumped by likes of amazon etc and I'm now on dreaded page 2...

there are SO many money and weight loss/fitness sites out there I can see why, but of course it sucks if it affects your business directly...
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Kerjackie Premium
My chosen niche is about health, how to stay in good shape, how you can avoid pain naturally, I'm not a physician, but I think I can help someone as I do for myself, I read and make a lot of research
I use natural organic products, herbal supplements to heal myself, in my opinion, its safer than using all those drugs from Big Pharma!
So far I didn't have any bad experience with Google, I still have my articles indexed and hope that will continue.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Jacqueline
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Barley1 Premium
Thanks Jacqueline for your comments. I also get my articles indexed. I am in the weight Loss niche and I give tips on different ways to lose weight and belly fat. I also talk about my journey of losing weight. I write product reviews on different programs and give credit to professionals.

Danny
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HelmWeiss Premium
I have been online since 98 and google has had many changes to the algorithms and punished blogs etc so it is not new, Simple to succeed in and obstacle we have gone over it or around it there will be another solutions,Word is that google is moving from search engine to data information marketing .Data is power . Any one hear more about this .
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Barley1 Premium
Thanks, I haven't heard anything on data info.
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danijel95 Premium
Well, I am actually in the weight loss niche and it goes fine for now. That Google update in August 2018 crushed my traffic and I am still recovering and my traffic is increasing.

I think that if you have quality content and you do white SEO techniques and stay consistent, you will be fine.
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Barley1 Premium
Thanks, Daniel. I have always written high-quality content for my articles, usually between 2,000 and 2,600 words. I have only written and published 10 posts and about 14 pages. I still have a long way to go.

Danny
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BruceStephen Premium
Hi Barney. My wife has been going to many qualified doctors in her lifetime with panic attacks and nobody has been able to help her.
In fact many of the drugs recommended by them have been addictive.

My wife then looked at non physicians who experienced panic attacks and were able to help themselves the non pharmaceutical way and she has been a whole lot better for it.
I am working on a website to help people overcome stress as I have done myself many years ago.

There is a lot of room for people who can provide help through personal experience and not all theory.

Thanks for your post and I believe you have picked up a lot of experience working on your web site. Even if you change to something else your experience will stand you in good stead.
Regards Bruce
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Barley1 Premium
Thanks, Bruce for your comments. I, too, suffer from PTSD, depression, anxiety, and panic attacks. About 10 years ago, I thought I was having a stroke while I was driving through a large city and the ambulance had to get me on the side of my truck. I was rushed to the hospital and after 3 days of expensive tests, they diagnosed me with a serious panic attack. I have all types of problems thanks to Uncle Sam. Thanks for the support.

Danny
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dj-drea Premium
I had this update affect my traffic. In August 2018 my traffic started declining and now it is at half of what it used to be. Mind you, I hadn't been putting in as much high-quality content as I should have been (hired a writer so I could work on a different site). I am now trying to bring that traffic back up. I sure hope I can.
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Barley1 Premium
I'm sorry to hear that. I don't trust other writers to do my future. With a minor in English from U. of Maryland, I enjoy writing. They required a lot of writing so when I want to write on a subject, I do a lot of research and write between 2,000 to 2,600 words and put at least 4 related images in it.

But I've only written 10 posts. I know it will improve the more content I write.

I am also looking into a 2nd niche for a 2nd income stream.

Thanks,
Danny
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Mark-AI Premium
Yeah Barley it is a great thing to write your own content first because then you will learn a skill that will help you set up all of your future ventures.

Congratulations on writing 10 posts, keep up the work.

Looking into another niche for an extra stream of income is great if you have the knowledge and resources but be very careful of trying to do too much in too many places.

It is much better to focus until you have made it before diverting your resources because growth is not linear and 2 slowly growing sites will be much less valuable then 1 powerful site.

Good luck if you do branch off into another niche but I would encourage you to seriously consider if it is the right thing to do at this time, even though it is incredibly tempting.

Good luck!
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litos316 Premium
I will tell you stick to your plan and just keep bringing value to the people! As i listen to Kyle he say think about the person on the other side of the screen that is reading your information! We will be fine!
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Xaric Premium
I can understand your frustration but I am with Google on this!

Frankly, if I was facing a health problem I would love to come across articles from experts, physicians, etc first before anything else. Nowadays, every random person can create a blog, posting whatever they want in order to earn money.

This is not right, to begin with. Google knows that so obviously they will prioritize those with authority, expertise, and credibility.

Google is always looking for the best ways to serve their customers because if they don't, they lost. And believe me that they don't want to lose.

Every one of their updates is for the best of their customers so we just have to roll with them and adapt. Those who don't adapt, go extinct.

Xaric.
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Barley1 Premium
Well I tend to disagree. Google is looking out for themselves not anyone's else. I go to a lot of doctors because of my surgeries and pain. They don't embrace many things like natural things that help because it would cut them out and hurt Big Pharma.
Thanks for your comments.

Danny
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sfortson Premium
Danny,
This is a total bummer, I wish you the very best with your site and love your preserverance with it as well!
Speaking of shutting down Big Pharma, have you tried CBD for your chronic pain. I am almost certain that it will help you. Not sure where you live, but if it is legal where you are, look for a full spectrum product. You will not get "high" there is no THC which is the canabinoid that gets you "high". I have a lot of friends that say it helps more than the narcotics without the harsh effects.
Stacie
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Barley1 Premium
Thanks. I tried it and still have some . I bought it off some pop up that came up on my computer. It had no affect, maybe it was just cheap garbage.

But I am now and Associate with a company that sells CBD products This company also has CBD pain rub as well as skin products. I believe I need to buy something since I'm trying to sell it.

Thank you, but in keeping going cause I have a 2,800 + article to proofread and publish. I will not give in to Google.i appreciate your comments.

Danny
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Sbibby880 Premium
I think I am in this category, but am not feeling the pinch at all. I do supplements and nootropics and have many articles on page 1 and the others steadily climbing.
It's a shame that your work is suffering.
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Mark-AI Premium
I get that this news if very frustrating but consider this.

If Google have made those categories harder for you, then they have made it harder for your competition too!

Use this update as an opportunity to be creative and find a way to continue to rank and build a following because then you will earn authority and trust.

Don't give up!
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Babou3 Premium
I saw your site and you make a good job.
The great success may be longer to come, but
with the good job you do, it will come inevitably.
So keep writing and don't get discouraged.
You have gone through hardships more harder
than this time-lapse, in your life.
I believe in your talent like so many others in WA and
in your close family. Your work is not in vain, your site
will encourage many people to move forward in life.

To our success!
Ingrid
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Twack Premium
Not being an aficionado of Google algorithms and the like, I can only hope they can back up their definition. Having suffered two major bouts of depression I wonder whether they would class me as an 'expert'. I 'd like to think I had a certain amount of expertise on the subject. Thanks for the heads up Danny.
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sammynathani Premium
I saw this coming.. Google has been dynamic in their standard and rules over the past two years.. This is a necessary development to ensure that the right thing is done at the right time for the right reason... There've been several complaints on the net where bloggers/website owners post medical tips that are not entirely true and when other users take this tips to heart, the result comes out negative, so a rule needs to be established to curb this....

Anyways, you can still change your niche progressively to a field that you are in the EAT category
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emarketingguy Premium
The medic update is nothing major to worry about. If you focus on putting up quality original relevant content, you'll never have to worry about algorithm updates. I follow all the top bloggers who write from the Source whenever there is an update and this Medic update is old news. Just focus on relevancy in everything you do and you won't be affected by updates.
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AmyHD Premium
High quality content is always the king. : )
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PaulWatson Premium
Facebook did the same thing with its advertising criteria. We run a couple of Pilates studios and ads that we have been running for years were suddenly blocked.. they not only refuse the ad but they shutdown our account and blocked our funnel URL. We asked if we got shutdown for being long time offenders without knowing and apparently not.. just the new regime.. The wording?

"Looking for a fitness change? Join us now for our 28 day challenge."

Got absolutely smashed....
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Swangirl Premium
Wow! That is pretty dramatic. I guess I will not use FB for my nutrition site...just my pet site.
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PaulWatson Premium
You can, but I would definitely contact them to see what wording they allow...
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Barley1 Premium
That's ridiculous Paul. It seems the don't want to little man/woman to succeed. Thanks.

Danny
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dj-drea Premium
I had an ad removed from Facebook after a year of running because it targeted pregnant women and they don't want people being discriminated against....seems weird to me.
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Barley1 Premium
Omg. That's ridiculous. Such left wing liberals.

Thank DJ.

Danny
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PaulWatson Premium
Yeah, they certianly went a bit overboard in my opinion.. In that case all targetted marketing in FB could be considered discrimination??
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Barley1 Premium
I totally agree with you, Paul.

Danny
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skmorrow Premium
That is very interesting. I too am in the health niche, and I saw a dramatic drop in October right after the Medic update hit. My rankings and traffic did recover, and in January I had an all-time high for organic as well as overall traffic. Mind you my site is currently only 16 months old, so my all-time high traffic for the month of January was only about 650 clicks. Not much, but it's a start.

As of mid-January, it's like someone unplugged my website, my traffic has dropped considerably on Google. The funny thing is, now most of my traffic is coming from Bing/Yahoo. I am ranking in spots 1-4 for several of my posts. I have been getting some sales this year, but my traffic is definitely down.

I don't understand if just now I am feeling the effects of Medic, or what is going on, but traffic is down on Google. I am certainly not a doctor, nor do I pretend to be one LOL.

Where are you getting this information? I am curious to read more about it.
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BobMargroff Premium
Hi Barley, don't give up and do not be discouraged. If you are putting out consistent content and are sincere about helping people you are an expert...

But, here is something you may or may not have had a chance to read: Hope this helps.

I wish you the best!

Bob
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Barley1 Premium
Thanks Bob, having an English minor in college, I do a lot of writing and I do a lot of research as well as write from 2,000 to 2,600 words of high quality content. Then after I'm done I let my fiance check it out since she is a high school teacher before I publish it.

That's all I can do and I'm happy.

Danny
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BobMargroff Premium
Then don’t let what you read or hear about Google get you down. Keep up the work and here is another post...this one is mine and it may help give you a lift. I go back and reread it myself from time to time: Again, I wish you the best!

Bob
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AmyHD Premium
Hi Barley, thank you for sharing this. It certainly is very annoying!

My niche is also about healthy diet and wellness. I have been working so hard on it. Other than sleeping, and taking care of some house work, my whole energy is in this website.

It is very disappointing that google added more rules. But we cannot let them stop us.

After 3 months I finally start seeing some traffic, and a little organic traffic too. A few days ago I started sharing my posts to a Chinese social media, now I get more and more traffic from there.

So, I think we don’t need to totally rely on google or other search engine. There are many ways to help us to reach our dreams.

Just hang in there. Our hard work will be paid off.

Amy
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Barley1 Premium
Thanks Amy. I have a weight loss/belly fat niche and I've only published 9 posts. But like you, with all my severe pain, taking care of my Autistic son, and house work besides sleeping I put my energy in my website. I haven't really seen any traffic yet because I'm relatively new.
But I am starting focusing on Social Media now.

But I know how these things go. I didn't expect to see much my first 6 months anyway.

Take care and good luck.

Danny
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AmyHD Premium
Danny, I totally understand how you feel! Your life is a lot more difficult than mine. I admire your effort.
Stay focused and stay faithful. See it as a long term investment. Only one year, three years later things will be much better.
All the best.
Amy
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JerimySmith Premium
I'm in the back pain niche, and I recently read about the medic update too, which went into effect last fall. I was also worried, but I am still getting ranked, and exposure on Google, Bing, and Yahoo. My main attraction is a product review that I did, but I still get listed for queries like 'back pain' and 'back pain stretches.' I attached a screenshot on my Search Console.

The key for me might be that I quote doctors and experts when I can and I make sure to list references to studies and other research. Your content should also be in-depth and accurate.

I'm also working on asking doctors, chiropractors, and other professionals to guest blog or review a post to make sure that it's accurate.

I'm still concerned. I understand why Google is doing it, but it just means that we have to work even harder to make sure that we put out higher quality content than the other guys and cross promote the shit out of it!

No one said this would be easy, right? Good luck bud.
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Barley1 Premium
Thanks Jerimy, I know all about back pain and other severe chronic pain. Last year I had my 2nd neck fusion and last July had a back fusion, my 6th back surgery. In all, 16 surgeries. With over 25 epidurals that haven't worked and every narcotic pain med out there, nothing seems to work even chiropractors don't help.

But I research all I can and write between 2,000 to 2,600 words of rich, high quality content. I also quote doctors and other experts and give them credit for it. I also write reviews as well.

I believe I will rank better once I write more posts. I only have published 9 posts so far.

Thanks for the comments.
Danny
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chender684 Premium
The Google Medic update actually happened over 6 months ago and does have a big impact in the health industry.

It has a lot to do with what is called EAT by Google.

EAT stands for:

Expertise:
How knowledgeable is the site owner on the subject matter?

Authoritativeness:
How credible is the website publishing this content?

Trustworthiness:
How trustworthy is the website publishing this?

There is no way around this update if they want to harm your site and push your rank way down.

One of the very highly ranked sites I visit a lot in my niche, lost over 50% of their organic traffic because of this update.

I am no longer convinced time will heal all wounds in the health niche.

Good luck to us all!
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Barley1 Premium
Thanks for the extra input. Yes the Google Nazi does what they want. They have bankrupted a lot of marketeers over the last few years. I know by reading it they did this sometime back in 2018, but I just found about it yesterday.

Thanks for informative info.

Danny
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Crazyhaggis Premium
Thanks for the info. I admit when I started reading your blog post I nearly died, as my niche is health. But then, I started thinking about it.

My website is about a health condition, chronic fatigue syndrome, my experience with it, and how I recovered from it using all natural methods and the help of a naturopath. After suffering with it for 8 years and a natural inclination towards natural healing I feel I learned a lot.

The allopathic medical community has no 'cure' for chronic fatigue syndrome. I've been writing almost a year and a few of my posts are on page 1. Like you, I've learned to write long posts and I always link to a research or study where I can.

Admittedly, it's not easy to beat out some of the big 'authority medical' sites. I can only write about 2 posts a week what with the research and length of the posts etc., but hopefully I provide informative, valuable content.

Many of my posts definitely strike a chord with readers on FB as I get a lot of comments and likes. This is from people desperately seeking answers they cannot get from their doctors. Of course I always tell them I'm not a doctor, cannot give advice and encourage them to seek out naturopathic help from experienced practitioners.

Anyway, I've often wondered when the internet would be 'cleaned up' in the health niche as there is a lot of low quality, regurgitated rubbish written on websites (and social media).

As others have said, I'm just going to keep going writing informative content and hope it helps people.
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Barley1 Premium
Thanks for your comments. Is this fatigue syndrome related to fibromyalgia, cause not only have I had 16 surgeries but I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia in 2000. I'm with you, I research a lot and write high quality long posts. I can only write and publish maybe 2 at the most 3 a week due to my severe chronic pain, taking care of my son who has Austism, and I can't sit for long due to the pain in my back.

I know that I have looked at many of the websites on page one of the niche I am in, and I'm not really impressed. Their content isn't that great and a lot of errors, with no authority or expertise. I think it's because they have a lot of color and bells and whistles contained in their website.

Danny
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TeriCalhoun Premium
That is brilliant Haggis to write from your own experience with an illness. I am going to have to start doing that myself more. The thing is trying to figure out where it all started. I'm down to inflammation and the liver and stress being the biggest factors. Thus far.
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Swangirl Premium
Me too. Inflammation is one of my big problems causing just about every "itis" such as bursitis, tendonitis, cystitis, uveitis etc. I also have other things but that is a big one. I have figured out that our bodie's histamine response which causes traditional allergies can cause a lot of this such as hot, swollen joints. My knees get hot and red if I eat something I am allergic to.

Zinc can help tamp down the histamine response. I noticed when I took Zicam (the cold medicine with zinc) my hips and knees would be much better. I researched and learned that zinc is a natural anti-inflammatory!
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lesabre Premium
Hi Barley, well that is a rip off. I too am in the health and wellness niche and this is totally disappointing. I don't thing you are doing anything in vain. I will continue with my health and wellness site regardless and I hope you do too. Your posts and comments are great. We shall overcome!!!
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NemiraB Premium
Hi, sorry if I missed something but how Google will check out who is a doctor and who is not? Do we need to present a diploma in description About Me? Who is going to read that?
Overall, I think that it is nonsense from Google side because if somebody is in the health niche and presents research and real information, people will come. If you have visitors, Google will be happy too. This giant works in this way that visitors good experience would be the top priority. More visitors use Google, more ads and money will pour in its pockets. It means that we need traffic. And it is all or not?
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Barley1 Premium
I agree with you Nemira. It's one of those algorithms Google has put out. It's constant nonsense with Google. I call them Nazi-Google for short. Just keep doing what you are doing, putting out high quality content. I'll continue to do what I do, and in time it will rank high. I have a weight loss niche and I know that a couple of websites that are ranked on the first page, their creators have no expertise or credentials either. And their content isn't as good as mine. I research and research, and write between 2,000 to 2,600 words of high quality content. I'll continue to do what I do.

I know Google has bankrupt a lot of millionaire marketers because their algorithms change all the time.

So keep it up and I am just starting my social media campaigns and by the way, open up a Bings Ads account and they will reward you with a $100 coupon to advertise with them. I have 3 separate accounts and $300.

Danny
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NemiraB Premium
Great, I think that customers will sort out what is right and what is not, especially if articles are full of great and original information. You have a great attitude, good luck to you:)
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SueKolman1 Premium
Holy crap Danny! How did you find out about this. Is it new? Google is always springing new surprises on us. I am very interested to know because my site deals with domestic animals but I don't have a D.V.M. (vet) license but a vet tech degree.
So... are we wasting our time here?!?
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Barley1 Premium
Hey Sue, I enroll and take a lot of training courses on different stuff, mainly intermet marketing, affiliate marketing, SEO, building different websites and blogging websites and on several off them they put in new updates about this Google Medic thing. I am in the weight loss/belly fat niche and it kind of upset me and I thought I'd pass it along as info. That's all.

It pissed me off because I put in a lot of research on the articles I write about and because I research a lot and I write articles between 2,000 and 2,600 words it got to me. Also due to the 16 surgeries I've had and dealing with severe chronic pain and taking two different narcotic pain meds, as well as taking care of my son who has Autism by myself, I can only put out usually 2 posts a week maybe 3 if I can hold out.

I just don't want someone telling me I can't do it. But I'm still going to do the same thing I'm doing now. I don't thing it's a waste cause I see others with websites in the same category on page 1 of Google with no medical experience nor their content is as good as mine.

Keep it going cause I'm not stopping. In time it will pay off. I've only posted 10 articles and the more I publish the better rankings I will get and others will too.

However, I am looking at another niche only as a second stream of income.

Take care and I hope this helps. Stay the course and keep writing.

Danny
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Jadatherapy Premium
Hi Danny

I have read the comments below and agree that we just need to focus on our niches and produce quality content the rest will take care of itself.

Being an expert does not need a certificate it just needs to know your niche and be honest.

Well that's what I think.
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Barley1 Premium
I agree with you. Just putting out the info. I'm not going to stop researching and putting out high-quality content. I'm just tired of Nazi Google. Thanks for your comments.

Danny
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Jadatherapy Premium
To be honest I really don't focus too much on google.

It is important to know these things but I am realising that like everything else it is only a tool. lol

All the best Danny
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Hi-Im-Fran Premium
Hi Danny: Some would call me an expert as I am a retired RN. My whole working career was as a nurse.

I did not choose any niche associated with health.

I have been here at WA for about three years. I follow a lot of successful people here as well as outside of WA.

It appears that becoming an authority is not so much based on what you know (because your niche could even be something you want to learn about), but rather that you write great content consistently as frequently as possible (daily if possible) and you need to have 400 to 500 or more post before you become an authority.
That many post should gain trust and authority.

Just continue writing great content frequently and keep digging through the training and you will be fine.

That's why we say it takes a lot of time before you make money. you need to build up a ton of content to your site.
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Barley1 Premium
Well Fran I think I could be a doctor. After having 16 different surgeries, fibromyalgia, staph infection, spinal meningitis, and dying on the operating table, as well as being on every narcotic pain med and muscle relaxer sometimes I feel I know as much as a doctor. I have told hospital staff many times, I should own my own hospital wing there because between my insurance company and me I have bought it.

Danny
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Hi-Im-Fran Premium
You are so right. You learn a lot from your own experiences. I am the care giver to my disabled vet husband.

Hospitals across the country now admit patients under "observation status" rather than "inpatient" and they don't always tell you.

When I found this out I questioned the difference. Among other things, they weren't giving him some of his regular home meds and if they did we would have to pay for them under "observation".

I told them to change his status to inpatient. They said he didn't qualify even though he had pneumonia and an oxygen level of 73.

I ask what qualifications were. They (the doctor) didn't know. I had my computer, checked it out, he qualified.
I requested copy of all his medical records.

Sometimes you even have to show your authority in the offline world to get proper treatment.

Within 5 minutes they made him inpatient and kept another week instead of sending him home.
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Barley1 Premium
Fran was this at a VA hospital. Sounds like it. As in my bio, I was injured in Desert Storm having had 16 surgeries. Although 2 of my back surgeries were in the Army (which they almost killed me and crippled me), I had all the others done by private surgeons because even though I was totally disabled through the VA, I wouldn't let the VA cut on me. Other than getting 3 month check ups and getting most of my medicines through the VA, and getting dental and vision care, I wouldn't let the VA touch me. It sounds like in your case it was the VA.

I have just decided to fight for my rights as a disabled veteran when it comes to them. By the way, if you want, I talked to a DAV Counselor the other night at a restuarant and he gave me the hotline 800 # in Washington. President Trump setup a retired military person in Washington who helps nothing but veterans who are having trouble with the VA. In the past, I personally wrote President Trump about a problem I was having with a local VA clinic not doing there job and he personally had the Secretary of VA take care of my problem with this VA clinic concerning my problem. After Trump intervened, my ex doctor was released from his position and forced to retire.

Sorry this is so long.
Danny
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Hi-Im-Fran Premium
No We have our own private Insurance ( which is extremely expensive) Didn't like the VA treatment at all.

You have to question everything anymore and fight like crazy for your medical rights.

Keep up the good fight!!
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Barley1 Premium
Yes due to my severe disabilties, I have Medicare and a supplement through Humana which is very good. And when I get married soon, my wife is a school teacher and school teachers in Alabama have great insurance.

I will keep fighting and you don't stop!
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Hi-Im-Fran Premium
They have great retirement benefits here in Iowa as well and I also have the same retirement package as the teachers so from state of iowa called Ipers.

I believe if you can write honest, helpful content, in your niche, you will be just fine.
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SondraM Premium
I recently read a really interesting article about EAT. So, I know what you are referring to.

Overall, I think this is good for the average public. Yes, there are websites that got hit after the medic update last year.

The people that made it to Vegas, who are in the MMO niche which falls withing the finance niche are proof that normal people can still compete and rank.

From what I understood, even medical doctors that do not have an established presence online will have to work harder to become "authorities" online. One way recommended was to get published.

My personal thoughts, for people like yourself - this is where the micro niche focus is going to become more important. Not everyone searching online wants the academic person or licensed person's thoughts. They want to know how "real" people are doing things. Real people's experience.

It is going to be even more important for people to strive to be the "best and most knowledgeable" in their chosen niche. These people will rise to the top of search engine rankings. The best will have the best quality content and the most consistent content.

Experts, especially from academia, also tend to make heavy use of sources and references to document their statements. In some cases they have their papers reviewed by peers before it gets published. This may be something that you may want to consider. Or they co-author papers with someone that has more credibility until they gain their own.

Becoming the best at anything, whether is is the best cook, best runner, or best affiliate marketer in any given niche requires dedication to be the best. The best will meet EAT standards as they will have established trust, expertise and authority.

So....don't give up. Just think what you need to do to be an expert with authority and trust.


--From someone that has two websites that are technically in the finance niche. I am not worried.

Best wishes...
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Barley1 Premium
Thanks Sondra. I agree with you. Sometimes people write about their own personal experiences and share them. It doesn't take an expert to share your own personal journey.

Danny
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Swangirl Premium
Good encouragement Sondra!
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Barley1 Premium
Yes it is.
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SondraM Premium
You are very welcome.

Danny, I'm sorry my comment was so long....
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Barley1 Premium
No, it was great Sondra. I enjoyed it and your comment.

Danny
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skmorrow Premium
That is exactly what I am doing.
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9Catherine9 Premium
Thank you for sharing this information. I am in this niche as well and just starting out.

I also agree with Swangirl and if we do our due diligence and research properly for our content, it shouldn't deter anyone from this niche.
Like Swangirl says, link to reputable resources to gain trust within your niche.
The internet is a big market, let's go shopping!

Have a Happy Day! :)
Never give up!
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Barley1 Premium
I agree just putting out info. I do research and research and put out high quality content and my post are usually between 2000 and 2600 words.

Danny
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Swangirl Premium
Yes. I was very panicked when I learned of this last summer after it first came out. I seemed to have a drop in traffic to my pet health site and no-one knew if pet health would be considered the same as human health. Luckily, my traffic has rebounded for that site and I regularly get #1 ranked posts above veterinarian run sites and the big name brands.

For my second site which is all about human nutrition/nutrient deficiencies and supplementation, I still don't know how much this new change is affecting me. The site was just starting out when the changes went into effect and it was always my secondary site so I didn't have a lot of content on it yet or get high traffic or rankings. I am still not sure what will happen with it. I am keeping it my secondary site in case the update is as bad as it sounds.

However, there are ways around the "authority" component. If you read about it you will see it is recommended that we link to authority sites as one way to raise our own authority. I am trying to do that more. I plan to always link to other sites/research and studies when I post on my nutrition site.
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Barley1 Premium
thanks for sharing

Danny
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Tirolith Premium
They are my niches as well.
Tom.
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Barley1 Premium
Mine too, but I'm going to still put out high quality content.

Danny
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davemc2019 Premium
Short of asking you to submit your qualifications I fail to see how a Google Spider could tell.Yes the Google Algorithm might detect if you don't have experience in this but only if you had not first done your research. What I would say to anyone who is getting into the blogging/website industry is that one of the biggest components to blogging is research. The more you do the more informed you will get. Keep writing your blogs, share publicly on social media. Eventually your readers will come. All the best
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Barley1 Premium
When I write my articles I do a lot of research and try and write high quality articles. I have put out an article giving my own experiences with my own weight loss journey and I state that in my articles and if it's from an authority I put it in quotes.

Danny
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TeriCalhoun Premium
True, but often even the research is conflicting. It got so bad that Dr. Oz at one point said just stick to the basic vitamins A, B, C , D and E and you will be alright. lol
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Paul1916 Premium
A health fitness site I have from last year is still going from strength to strength even though I am no expert!

Why?
Because I wrote detailed longer reviews than my competitors and I got a few comments added also which many other sites don't have.

So don't give up just yet!
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Barley1 Premium
On my posts I do a lot of research and when I write my posts I write an average of 2,000 to 2,600 words and it's high quality. I don't state anything that if it's from an expert, I put it in quotes.
Thanks.

Danny
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TeriCalhoun Premium
Reviews from whom Paul? You mean comments?
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kmer6 Premium
Hmmm, does that mean if we had prior experience, say, we lost 56 pounds by doing this xxx, or by taking this xxx, that this doesn’t constitute authority? I believe that Google is looking for websites that are providing real, truthful, information and not regurgitated information.
Thank you for sharing. Your insight is an update to previous operations.
Ken
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Barley1 Premium
Well, I have wrote an article on my own personal experiences about being injured as an Army Ranger, having 16 surgeries and battling my problems with gaining weight and losing 35 lbs. To me that is authority. I also write about reviews and tips on how to lose weight naturally writing by experts and I give them credit.

I guess since Google owns most things they can call all the shots and expect we just take it, which we sometimes don't have a choice in the matter.

Danny
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Barney44 Premium
To quote a comment from one article discussing this topic: “There’s no “fix” for pages that may perform less well other than to remain focused on building great content. Over time, it may be that your content may rise relative to other pages.”

Best thing I think is to remain focused and roll with the flow many will be able to work through the change.

Barry
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Barley1 Premium
Thanks Barry, that's what I do, I research and put out high-quality content. Usually my post have between 2,000 to 2,600 words and I give experts credit for want I use in my posts. Sometimes it just pisses me off about Google.

Danny
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DonnieNorton Premium
Hi Danny, I am definitely not going to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about, I am wondering where you happened to find the information. This doesn't seem to make any sense to me as there are many people making significant incomes who are not professionals in either health or finance.
Donnie
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Barley1 Premium
It was put out by several training programs I am currently doing. But this hasn't stopped me from doing what I do, researching and researching and putting out high quality content between 2,000 to 2,600 words a post. I know there are many health and wellness blogs out there that are on the 1st page of Google. A lot of them could measure medicine out. It just pisses me off sometimes about Google and their Nazi ways.

Danny
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PamC39 Premium
Thank you for sharing this information. That’s not very nice of google. I know that a lot of people on WA post really good content that people are looking for and those qualified professionals sometimes don’t cover these relevant topics most of the time. Also, I know that some content are very popular and so drives traffic which indirectly helps google’s popularity as well. So my question is How are they going to stop people from patronizing those sites if they choose to ? are they planing on putting out a policy update or something? I know you might not know the answer but it’s just something to think about when looking at the big picture.
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Barley1 Premium
I don't really know what's going on with Google. I heard this as several updates to a lot of training courses I take besides WA. I know I will keep putting out high-quality content as I have before with between 2,000 and 2,600 words.

Just putting out info.

Danny
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TeriCalhoun Premium
Doctors are so busy with sick patients that they really don't have a lot of time to explain anything. Since the Affordable Care Act has become law their patient load has been doubled but their income has remained the same or less because the government will only pay so much for certain procedures. Nurses and doctors are overworked and that puts patients at risk. I actually read that the number one cause of death in this country was due to modern medicine itself. There is a word for it, but I can't recall what it is. I know that two of my friends were given prescriptions that conflicted with each other in spite of the fact that the pharmacists are supposed to catch these things. There is an app called drugs.com that can catch these things. That is how I discovered the errors.
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PamC39 Premium
This is so true another great reason why google’s announcement is not in favour of their audience. I mean if people here on WA were not doing their research and putting out low quality work then I can understand but that’s not the case here. It’s absolutely ridiculous! People here do work hard and they put so much research and work towards their content. So not sure why google is putting everyone inside a box.
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PamC39 Premium
Great job. Keep up the good work and ignore google. Your great content will speak for itself.
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TeriCalhoun Premium
It may have to do with the fact that once a person considers someone an authority on something they stop questioning the validity of what they are saying. In my opinion Pam, we should be critical thinkers about everything, especially our health.
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Barley1 Premium
Well Teri, I just told Fran that I should or probably know as much as a doctor. I've had 16 different surgeries, fibromyalgia, staff infection that I contracted in a hospital after one surgery, spinal meningitis, died 3 times on the operating table, and a host of other medical problems and I've been on every narcotic pain med and over 25 spinal epiderials, and every muscle relaxer and anti-depressant that I should be a doctor or pharmacist. I told hospital staff one time, that I wanted my own wing to the hospital because between my insurance company and me, I have bought it.
Also my fiance, she asked me what a medicine is or what would be good for her because she says I know as much as a pharmacist.

Danny
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RussellO1 Premium
Hmmmmm, this is news to me and very disturbing because I am in the health niche and I cannot consider myself an expert there. O well, if its true, then I will have to start over in a new niche.
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davemc2019 Premium
No, just keep writing on your niche and give as much information as you can. Even quote health professionals but make sure you credit them with the quote and possibly leave a link to the authors page.
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RussellO1 Premium
I thought that quoting and linking to authors was a no, no and guaranteed to push down ranking?
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Barley1 Premium
Well Russell, I have a weight loss blog/website and I'm not giving up on it. I'll still put out high-quality content. But I am looking at finding another niche to have a second stream of income.

Stay with it and don't give up because there are many website in the weight loss niche that are on 1st page of Google and these people have no clue.

Just putting out some info.

Danny
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TeriCalhoun Premium
It would be great if everyone on this platform that posts on health and nutrition could review our posts on these subjects before we actually publish them; but how do we make that happen?
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RussellO1 Premium
Thank you Danny.
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emilyonline Premium
I have to say that as a dietitian (though my work through WA is totally unrelated to this field), I'm actually glad about that update. It is very scary the amount of bad/wrong advice I've seen or heard about from some websites that look legit. One of our biggest daily struggles in the health profession is trying to undo damage from people reading garbage online.
I'm sorry about your hard work though! As a hard working internet marketer that's really tough to deal with.
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Barley1 Premium
I'm sorry but my website doesn't give out medical advice on the subject of weight loss. What I share is content from experts in the field and I put it in quotes.
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emilyonline Premium
I never suggested you did, I'm just offering a perspective from the other side. It sounds like you have a good site.
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TeriCalhoun Premium
So what do you think about the issue of how much fat we should eat, from a dietician's point of view?
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emilyonline Premium
I refuse to engage in dietary debates on the internet. It never ends well.
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TeriCalhoun Premium
Could you refer me to a piece of literature? Not looking to debate. Just interested in the opinion of someone who makes their living doing this and has probably seen a lot of negative outcomes from people getting irresponsible advice.
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emilyonline Premium
Sure, I'll have a look later. I'm on maternity leave at the moment so don't have my usual access to resources. If I haven't gotten back to you by this time tomorrow please send me a reminder in case I forget!
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TeriCalhoun Premium
Thanks Emily. Good luck with the baby. Wish those little buggers came with instruction manuals, don't you?
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emilyonline Premium
Thank you, and yes a manual would be good haha. Maybe a factory reset option would be good too sometimes!
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