Stealing referrals - very very important

Last Update: March 10, 2018

Dear All, I have to inform you that WA member SpencerHawz is contacting my referral and offering them better offer if they join Premium using his link.





This is NOT ACCEPTABLE

I hope, somebody will deal with this

Alex


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nathaniell Premium Featured Comment
Though Kyle and Carson will definitely kick this person out (He's not the real Spencer Haws BTW), we also need to remember that once a person in inside Wealthy Affiliate, their referrer is locked in. PLUS, Starter Members are not able to receive PMs, so once they receive the scam message, they are already on a paid account anyway.

It's NOT POSSIBLE to steal a referral once they are inside the community.

That's not to say what he's doing is OK. And it's not to say that you should pay people to join under you, as this person is attempting to do.

However, what this person is attempting to do won't even achieve his desired results.
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Zarina Premium
That's what I was thinking, how can they steal referrals if WA considers the IP thing or something like that?

New referrals would have to clear cookies first in order to get signed up under someone else, no?

And majority of people don't even know what that is and how to delete them lol.

Thanks for confirming my thoughts but I understand why people panic - who knows maybe what this scammer is trying to do does work out.
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Miren Premium
I thought what the scammer was trying to do would work out. For example, someone could create another email address and sign up through his affiliate link from another device different than the one they've initially used to sign up.
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Zarina Premium
If he signs up from another device then that could work but did he ask that too? I thought he only asked to use a new email and follow a different link but I may be wrong of course.
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Prinz Premium
True, he can't send starter members messages, but he can post to their profiles.
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WriterLynn Premium
Starter members are Not being contacted by PM.

They are being contacted on their profiles to create a new account with a different user name and password through the scammers link. They are being offered a special discount through PayPal reimbursement. Many screenshots have been taken and shared and many referrers have seen it for themselves.

Premium members are being contacted by PM by a different person I believe being asked to do the same thing - close their existing Premium account, create a new account with a different user name and password through the scammers link. They are being offered a special discount through PayPal reimbursement.

See StevenRinker's comment below about this happening to him and my comment to him about another Premium member this happened to back in November (I found out yesterday)

The link that the SpencerHawz profile scammer is leaving on starter member's profiles includedthis link to a PDF for their "special" offer https://goo.gl/M5jeAx

If this doesn't really bypass the original account and referrer then why are they trying to do it if it doesn't work?

This apparently has been happening outside of WA for a while. See screenshot of Gomer's comment from the other post With that said let's hope that there is an IP detection that prevents the original referrer from being overridden with a new account set up with new username and email.

But even more disturbing is when I read the comments from mrronnie's referrer they were confused as to why this was happening. mrronnie referral figured it out but was in utter confusion over this.

mrronnie had a chance to explain it and smooth it over. How many of our referral's just shake their heads, stay silent and disappear for good deciding to leave WA behind.

So, even if the scammer is not successful in getting sales, we still possibly end up losing referrals due to the bad impression left
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Debs66 Premium
Well said Lynn.
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nathaniell Premium
Ah, I see. I didn't realize that this was being done in the comments as well. The ones I heard about were just in PMs.
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WriterLynn Premium
Unfortunately, the original blog post here is light on details because it was written after it was first discovered, so all the dirty details are in the 170+ comments here and here The only reason that I did not start a detailed blog post of my own is because there are already so many comments here.

But, this original blog post really needs to edited at the top so that a person who doesn't have time to read all the comments will know immediately the issue, without having to piece all the details together through the comments.

Even my comments to you will get pushed further and further down and will probably not get seen.
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StevenRinker Premium
This was exactly what I experienced. I smelled a rat right away and contacted support. Great explanation!
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StevenRinker Premium
I received this telling me I could get a better deal for a premium account. All I needed to do was cancel my current account and resign up through this portal? Check it out. Share and beware.We must look out for each other!
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WriterLynn Premium
Please send a private message to Kyle or Carson with those screenshots because they removed the Spencer account , which was the member in question in this entire thread. https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/spencerhawz

But if Kyle and Carson don't know anything about this other member's account in your screenshot then they won't know to remove them or that they're doing this.

Also your comments to me are far down this comment thread. It might be a good idea to also repost your comment and screenshots as a brand-new comment a standalone comment so it will be at the top of this thread. Make it clear in your comment that this is not in relation to Spencer account that this is a different scammer doing the same thing using PM.

The Spencer scammer was doing it through the comments on people's profiles and I think targeting just free members
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Debs66 Premium
Hi, Lynn,
that person you talk about did privately PM 108 people. I saw Kyle on live chat and he was asked about it and he's said yes he's gone for good but he had Pm' d 108 premium members too. Lynn sorry I thought you knew.
You are right Lynn @StevenRinker you need to PM Kyle immediately.
Lynn its because of people like yourself thats on the ball that we get this sort of trash sorted.
Regards Deborah :-)
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WriterLynn Premium
No, I knew someone was private messaging based on Steven's original message . I did not know who it was though. It's Ali Monajemi, according to these screen shots that Steven Rinker posted in his comment above. I knew nothing of that person in particular. I'm on my cell phone so I can't look up this Ali guy but if he's already been removed as well then I guess Steven doesn't need to send a private message.
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Debs66 Premium
Hi, Lynn,
well it wont harm anyways. Best to be safe than sorry.
Hope you are ok too Lynn.
Regards Debs;-)
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WriterLynn Premium
Doing alright. Hope all is well with you :)
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Debs66 Premium
I am all good thank you Honey :-)
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StevenRinker Premium
Kyle received this right away from me. I will certainly consider reposting. I am currently on the road and will look at this again when I'm at my hotel.
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WriterLynn Premium
Oh, that's okay. No need to repost. You alerted Kyle. From what Deb said in comments above....108 Premium members were contacted just like you were. All has been handled now. We can all move on from this and keep aware of such scams. Safe travels to you Steven! :)
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StevenRinker Premium
Thanks Lynn!
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Debs66 Premium
Seems the person is back though Daniel and Kyle and Carson found him out and yes it does happen but un like some every platform has it's nightmare some people just choose to let it happen and some of them do not.
Anyways I work blummin hard and I am not letting nobody take my hard work so thats that.
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BrianCh Premium
Hi All, just a word of caution. Spencer Hawz aka MarkusV is back. I sent this out earlier -

"Hi Lynn, i make a point of welcoming premium members when they first appear on the scroll at the top of the Activity dashboard. I just thought I should let you know that Spencer is back as MarkusV.

You do recall the jerk who was caught red-handed about a month ago trying to snag referrals? Well, he's back.

He hasn't even bothered to change his bio.
https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/markusv "

Brian
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Debs66 Premium
Hey
If he is back then I feel sorry for him. If that is the case then that makes us more vigilant. I take care of my business and my referrals.
Thank you for the heads up. Let me pop by this gentleman that isn't quite a gentleman at all.
Debs ;-))
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Debs66 Premium
Actually He has the same profile and I have just left him a message on his profile I am awaiting his response just saying ;-)
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BrianCh Premium
Like the message that you left. I'm very interested to know if and how he's going to respond. What a plonker!
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Debs66 Premium
I am awaiting his answer in pm and on his profile. I am rather lucky my children also are quite savvy on the net and have there mums back. We shall just see the outcome. He has quite a struggle ahead for himself.
I shall get back to you and let you know the outcome sad really cause I already know it but I need proof and he has already sucked some of the ambassadors in.
I like to keep my net work secure and I am a part of this already from when lynn brought it to my attention.
Debs ;-) lets see .
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BrianCh Premium
I'm just very puzzled by this reappearance stunt of his. I know that he obviously doesn't gives a rat's backside about who he tries to do in but how did me manage to get past "security"?

Keep me posted. Please.

Thanks,

Brian
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Debs66 Premium
Nor do I but I have forwarded it to the main men here. I shall not bow down neither I work very hard at what I do but I also do it with my heart and soul,

Deborah
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AlexMi Premium
Thank you for sharing this information. I was hoping that WA got rid of this guy.
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BrianCh Premium
Sure. Deborah isn't going to take this lying down either. This guy has to be booted once and for all!
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Debs66 Premium
because he is a desperado a liar and thief. He has picked his moment quite well as it goes. Easter weekend as it goes. So he knows everything is on a go slow too.
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Debs66 Premium
@WriterLynn Girl you are on the ball and thank you. You was So right. A big massive thank you in fact.
I would shake your hand if I could. You are the best ;-)
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manne13666 Premium
It looks like he was taken care of. Good catch!
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KristylaureL Premium
WOW! How could someone do that? Just so wrong. I’m sorry to hear that and I’m glad you brought it to everyone’s attention!
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Greg2112 Premium
If they are your referrals, they should be your referrals. they can't be stolen.
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gdarni Premium
That is a great point Greg and one that I hope Kyle addresses with all of us that were targeted by this scamster!

It is great how we all stick together and make sure the community knows when something unscrupulous occurs!

There is strength in numbers!

gloria
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Megachile Premium
Its not that surprising really, there will always be people who try to cheat the system. It sounds like WA are already on top of this kind of thing though so I wouldn't worry too much.
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Maddy55 Premium
I for one, would like to know why Kyle or Carson have not checked into the community to at least let us know that they are aware and doing something about it..... ? Many of you have sent messages, but have any of you received any replies?
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Zarina Premium
They will eventually take care of him. I had 1 referral that was on the low and had bad history history, so they kicked him out and even returned his investments (and it was for a month only).
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Debs66 Premium
Its the weekend Hun. They will be on it as soon as they know. They are good men.
debs :-)
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Jhuber10 Premium
Wow - that's pretty weak! I must be naïve but doing something like that just never crossed my mind.
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StevenRinker Premium
There certainly are some strange things going on. I reported a scam artist as well. He promise a better deal on a yearly membership If I closed my WA membership and signed up through a link he sent me? So weird. We have to be on constant lookout!

Thanks for posting this AlexMI
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Jewelia Premium
Wow! Another one? When did this happen? Do you remember his username - so, that the rest of us would be alert? Or do you know if he is gone (since you reported him)?
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laurenjean Premium
Oh my goodness! What is going on at WA this week? From scammers to thrives to guys looking for love in all the wrong places... Super weird!
Thanks for alerting us and I have no doubt this is being dealt with. This kind of behaviour will not be tolerated at Wealthy Affiliate.
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mrronnie Premium
Just found out Spencer tried to steal another one of mine referrals - https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/btietjens/comment/16803702

If you could help me out and mark his message on the above member's profile as spam, that would be appreciated...

Luckily this member was smart enough to ask me about it...

Just wondering how many members I might have missed :(
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BrianCh Premium
This jerk is STILL here! Now he's reclining on a hammock. Why hasn't he been booted off??
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mrronnie Premium
I just messaged Kyle directly. I trust they will deal with this guy as fast as possible...
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Xavant Premium
I see a few people have messaged Kyle and/or Carson, but has anyone received a reply yet?
There is so much going on with the threads on this problem that maybe I missed something.

I, like the rest of you, have always been proud to promote our scam-free, spam-free community, but look at what this jerk is doing.

Not only is he taking money out of our pockets, but what a way to welcome new members here - the first thing they see is spam and theft. If I was had just signed up and was greeted with this, i would run a mile.

That takes money out of our pockets and there are many people here who look at WA as their best opportunity to make a financial difference in their lives.

I trust Kyle and Carson have acted on this.
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Debs66 Premium
That man is awful he even asks for PayPal Details.
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Debs66 Premium
Well done as I have with screenshots. :-)
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gdarni Premium
He (SpencerHawz) is contacting my referrals as well, I feel a bit sick about it.

I woke up to this today and found out that he has a duplicate profile from someone else in WA.

Is there a way to remove his comments?
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AlexMi Premium
Hi, apparently you mark his message as spam and then message disappear.
I hope somebody more qualified will deal with them.
Regards,
Alex
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mrronnie Premium
Yup he's doing it across the board, including my referrals :( Hopefully his account will be shut down soon...
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feigner Premium
I thought once they landed here you have a lifetime cookie - so even if they choose his link - if they came here first with yours then you get the referral.
Unless they clear their cache!
Have you lost many?
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AlexMi Premium
I really don't know. I hope they find the way to stop this practice.
Regards,
Alex
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feigner Premium
It is a shame - because marcus was a good guy - if it is him.
I hope he stops it. or the system shuts him out.
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NatNiches Premium
Wow - I had better check mine as well, thanks!
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HarveyBrown Premium
Hello Alex, you are the second person to blog this issue. It says a lot about that person and most of it is negative.
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manne13666 Premium
I've reported his messages as spam so hopefully the support team will see it an look into it. You're right this is completely unacceptable.

Thanks for the heads up!
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KatieMac Premium
My word it seems a day for hearing about scammers and people without ethics, please report this person to Kyle or Carson as this is not the sort of thing they want going on. Hope it all gets resolved soon
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Miren Premium
This sucks!! How do you know he's been contacting your referrals? Hope Kyle or Carson do something about this, it's very unfair to all the community.
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Debs66 Premium
I would post my screenshots here but I decided to let Kyle and Carson Deal with this. They have all the details now.
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Debs66 Premium
It wasn't my referrals I just did the home work on it. I found out what he is doing.
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Miren Premium
Well done, I read the document he's using to do that. It's unacceptable what he's doing.
I actually posted a screenshot of another unethical individual who's trying to scam members. I proved he's not the man from his profile picture.
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Debs66 Premium
Brilliant Miren :-))
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PatsyC Premium
I have been wondering about my referrals!

I check every day and they have gone silent.
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Debs66 Premium
Well I did a bit of Home work and took some screen shots and it is in the hands of Kyle and Carson now.
I shall be leaving it at that. I have just took screen shots of his google link. He asks them to Change their names and asks them to refer all their paypal details new referral names to his address. its a Gmail account.
Like I said its in the hands of Kyle and Carson now and thats that.
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DEversley Premium
Are you sure that Kyle and Carson are aware of this? I have not seen nor heard of anything from them anywhere.
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AlexMi Premium
I have sent message to Kyle when I realized tgat couple of my referrals were being hijacked.
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Debs66 Premium
David I have private messaged them because its the weekend they may take longer to reply.
Regards Debs.
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DEversley Premium
That's not good enough on their part, Debs. Weekend or not, this kind of thing should not be lingering in WA when people are working hard to build businesses and capitalize on referrals.

This is bad for members' businesses as well. I get the impression that 100s or even 1000s have reported and yet this is still around. I am not one to nitpick but I am not pleased with the lack of communication and speed at which things are resolved here.
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Debs66 Premium
I too feel the same David. I have tried to limit myself to this conversation. I have done my home work and done my best, its not good for moral.
It should have been sorted out by now.

However i have to say that we are a pay it forward community and we are all here to help each other. I know out of the odd few there are a thousand more who work with proper Ethics.

I certainly wouldn't want this happening to my referrals. I would rather somebody have my back. I can honestly say here in W.A. I have that.

Its the same in any company or business you always get a low life trying to pull a fast one.

Needless to say I shall be looking forward to seeing an end to this myself too.

Best Regards Always Debs. :-)
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DEversley Premium
Well said, Deborah!
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CraigW315 Premium
Just out of curiosity, how did you find out he was doing this? Just so we know what to look for.
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Zarina Premium
Yeah I am curious about that too
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Prinz Premium
The same thing happened to me. I was checking on a new referral and found "Spencer's" message on his profile.
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Zarina Premium
How the hell does he find your referrals? :s
And how do you even know that's the case? I am so confused now.
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Zarina Premium
I see! Will keep an eye on my referrals (which I do anyway but still). Thanks for the comment
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Miren Premium
I believe this scammer might be stalking accounts and see the people you follow to find your referrals, so sad that people with these vile intentions join WA. Hope Kyle and Carson do something about this.
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DBlanchard Premium
We see new members, from within our own profile every day. It would be easy for someone to go through new members and stalk them with a bogus offer. It has to be someone without any scruples for anything! Kyle and Carson need to take action right away on this!
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Debs66 Premium
He follows over 5.000 people on one account he has other accounts very similar to each other, and we greet newbies daily they are there in all our profiles. Welcome new comers.
he sends a welcome message with a google link.
its blatant what he is doing.
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Debs66 Premium
Check your not in his follow list Lucky for me I am not.
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Miren Premium
Glad I'm not either, isn't there a way to report or block him from following us?
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Debs66 Premium
We cant block anybody. Which is a shame on cases like this. :-)
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Debs66 Premium
I have private messaged Kyle with proof. So hopefully he will get back to one of us who have private messaged him. It is the weekend though.
So things are slower
Debs ;-)
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Miren Premium
Yeah, I don’t like to block or report anyone, but in cases like this it would be ok. I thought blocking was possible in this community in the past.
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Debs66 Premium
Mirren I dont like it neither but this person is so obviously blatant he needs to be brought down.

To be honest like everyone we are all so busy. If we dont stop it all of us.
Then!! it, opens a can of worms for more to take advantage.

Thats why this community is so great because we all care about each other. We all care that each one of us gets ahead.

Its not even my referrals but it is somebody else's. So I will do my best to put a stop to it.
We are a pay it forward community.
Regards Debs :-))
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GomMagtibay Premium
This incident has further solidified my position of building relationship with potential referrals long before they decide to join us here in WA. Although a bit challenging, but it's the only way I can see to insulate me from these crooks.
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DBlanchard Premium
I agree we should be on their account and build a solid relationship right away!
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Debs66 Premium
Something I have just posted about. Its my #1 on my to do list everyday now.
It only takes 2 minutes to log in daily to check the little aeroplane and referrals.
Debs
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Debs66 Premium
Crooks are every where in every business. The only thing is Wealthy Affiliate are a rock solid community and most stick together to wheedle out these kind of trashy people.
Heres to the W.A. community.
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Djefferds Premium
I hope PM Kyle and Carson about this. It has to stopped.
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Debs66 Premium
Done with screen shots.
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johnybricks Premium
Honesty & Integrity and an ethical business is the only way to go. Unethical business practices will soon catch up with this person and like they say Karma will eventually catch up.
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IanHarvey Premium
Don't forget to use the 'Report Spam' down arrow in the top right-hand corner of the spammer's posts.
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mrronnie Premium
Damn he is now contacting my referrals too :( Let's get this joker banned asap!
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BrianCh Premium
No, his face is still crawling across the "Welcome to the new Premium members" bar on the Activity page????
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mrronnie Premium
Thanks Nicole...this is one that I know of and I'm trying to check other newbies profiles:

https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/marcelolopez

His post was actually left there 9 hours ago...but the post is still up there so I guess he hasn't been banned yet? Not sure how this works...
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mrronnie Premium
Thank you very much Nicole!
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BrianCh Premium
Apologies for butting in here but I just found this as well on https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/markusv -

"You're welcome Tim, I'm sure that you can get success with your new online business if you follow training and stick on what you're doing.

Best,
Spencer"

and thought you might want to check this member Tim who might have been poached - https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/tim-o-thy
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BrianCh Premium
No, it is on the MarkusV profile about 2 months ago. Tim was replying to Spencer about a message that he received.

Hi MarkusV,

Thanks for writing to me about your history and all. I'm new to the world if web... etc. I have a lot to learn about this business so if you think of any tips I'm all ears.
Thanks, Tim
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AlexMi Premium
I just checked your and comment is gone. However, on mine :

https://my.wealthyaffiliate.com/xomi

his comment is stil there. Please, flag it as scam in order to be moved .

What are welcome to a new member.

Alex
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BrianCh Premium
Thanks, Nicole. Sorry that you guys have been having such a hectic day trying to sort this mess out.

Best to you,

Brian
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AlexMi Premium
Thank you.
Regards
Alex
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AlexMi Premium
Thanks. That is good advice. I will do that as well.
Regards,
Alex
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RoopeshG Premium
Thanks for keeping us in the loop.Will watch out for it.
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TDomena Premium
That's craziness! Thanks for the heads up.
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StunningBell Premium
How did you know he was doing this? That's really being smart. Please let us know so we follow up our referrals to make sure this is not happening to them too.
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chrisbailey Premium
He/she/they/it was posting on people's profiles making the offer.
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TDomena Premium
That is funny. They weren't even being sly. Craziness!
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StunningBell Premium
I don't understand that mentality. I don't know why people think the only way to succeed is to steal from others and hurt them. Is it some kind of a curse?

They need to be rehabilitated. And why the sudden influx of these scammers??? What has changed here?
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StunningBell Premium
I just read it, actually reading it for the first time. These are people looking for shortcuts. It's a horrible situation. what was going on through his mind? Lol.
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AlexMi Premium
By chance . When I received message about new referal I went to press follow button for my referral. I realized that other long message was there , which never happened before, so I read it and to be honest I did not get from first reading but I checked again and there it was.
I hope this will not happen again for the sake of all of us .
Regards,
Alex
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StunningBell Premium
I hope so too.
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Chezbrown Premium
Hi Alex, have you informed Kyle about this situation as that is not fair or a very nice thing to do to another member. I hope you get this sorted out fast. xxxx
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AlexMi Premium
Thanks Cheryl. I have sent message to Kyle.
Regards,
Alex
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mrronnie Premium
Thanks for the heads up...I saw some of his comments and reported them as spam.
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Jewelia Premium
Hi Alex,

This morning didn't start very well: I read three posts, including yours on different types of scammers here at WA.
Just FYI, the two others were: and - this one may not be related to you, but still, this guy is a scammer, and we all need to know them

Thank you for sharing and alerting the rest of us!

~ Julia
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AlexMi Premium
Thanks, Julia.
I agree, This morning didn't start well but I sincerely hope that all those ugly incidents will not happen again.

I have been a short time in WA and all my experiences were pleasant until today. So much so that it took me 10 minutes to figure out that someone was trying to steal something.

I wish to believe that these were the exception that proves the rule.There are too many nice and decent people in WA to let those "ugly ones" ruin it.

Regards,
Alex
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Jewelia Premium
I've been with WA for 6 months now. I might have had couple PM from other stalkers before, but I haven't heard of stealing the referrals... However, I might have missed it, because per @WriterLynn it started back in November
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AlexMi Premium
I didn't know about stalkers . They are worse than thieves
I hope administrators will stop them somehow.
Alex
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Jewelia Premium
How does he do it? And how did you, guys, tracked him down?
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Jewelia Premium
Wow, what a scammer! Did you report him to Kyle when you first discovered what he was doing back in November?

I have to admit that his brain works well and he is thinking out of the box. I could never understand why smart people, who are able to do this, direct their abilities to a negative, illegal, and poisoning route. Using their abilities, they could gain success without damage to others.

I hope Kyle and Carson see this document before he realizes that he's been reported and removes it from that location. Did you download it just in case?

All the best to you,

~ Julia
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Jewelia Premium
If I see Kyle in Live Chat, I'll ask him to make sure that he read your PMs. He used to show up there more often. I don't see him in chat as much lately.

This must be stopped asap!
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sherlock77 Premium
So how can this guy offer someone a better deal if they go Premium through him anyway? He doesn't set the prices here.
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chrisbailey Premium
He's essentially offering them a rebate from whatever commissions he pilfers.
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edensbox Premium
I am so sorry this is happening to you. Did you send Kyle a private message to let him know it is going on?

Ooops.. wrote this before I read some of the other comments. Hope it is sorted out soon!
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HowardJaros Premium
Shame, Shame! Hope it all works out Alex.
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AlexMi Premium
Thanks Howard
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BrianCh Premium
Hi Alex, thanks for bringing to light the activities of this jerk! Thanks also to WriterLynn for picking this up as well and going straight to the top with the matter.
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Josh From Oz Premium
This is not acceptable
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Gunnertwist Premium
I would contact Kyle about this right away and inform him of what is going on.

Carl
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AlexMi Premium
Thanks, I sent a message to Kyle.
Regards,
Alex
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hagstf Premium
I have seen people try to do that before but, it won't work, once someone clicks on your link, they are your referral and you will get the credit if they upgrade.
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chrisbailey Premium
Not if they open a new account.

Anyway, pretty desperate act for a guy who claims to have a lot of success and allegedly sold a site in the last year or so for $425k.

Looks like at least WriterLynn has contacted Kyle and probably others as well.
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AlexMi Premium
I am afraid, he can. He is explaining to them to open a new account with new username. I hope somebody will deal with this.
Regards,
Alex
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chrisbailey Premium
No points for subtlety for this guy. SMH

If anything the dude has on his website is true, a moronic move like this makes no sense. Almost makes me think it's a fake profile.

Hopefully, they'll get it sorted out soon for anyone that may have been affected.
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chrisbailey Premium
Saw that. There was at least one other that joined last month. That profile is gone.

I'm gonna guess that it's the same person or group of people.

It does not appear that the real Spencer Haws(correct spelling) would need to do this.
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shrestha Premium
I don't think this is the real Spencer Haws, he is just hiding behind that man's name. I really think it is so sad that people take someone else's identity to do unethical things. Disgusting.
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chrisbailey Premium
I agree.

In this case, it was his name and image.
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Miren Premium
That's what I've seen in scam products and sites, it sucks that these unethical individuals are doing this inside WA. Hope Kyle and Carson can put an end to this, it's very unfair to everyone in the community.
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